Ifrid??

[Christopher Conkie]

If I were a programmer I wouldnt have asked you for help. I will download and look at Mutha to see if I can figure out what engine it is.

But you are not.......and they did.......all 38 of them.

Figuring it out is unlikely to help. I told you it plays different. All of them do. As to knowing who did what, they will ignore you. That is what they want to do.

Would it make it easier for you to swallow if we called the author "Terminator Rasputin"?

[Tony Thomas]

If I were a programmer I wouldnt have asked you for help. I will download and look at Mutha to see if I can figure out what engine it is.

But you are not.......and they did.......all 38 of them.

Figuring it out is unlikely to help. I told you it plays different. All of them do. As to knowing who did what, they will ignore you. That is what they want to do.

Would it make it easier for you to swallow if we called the author "Terminator Rasputin"?

There are 38 different 2750 rated engines? Terminator Rasputin can only be only guy. Tordka Romstadka??

[Christopher Conkie]

If I were a programmer I wouldnt have asked you for help. I will download and look at Mutha to see if I can figure out what engine it is.

But you are not.......and they did.......all 38 of them.

Figuring it out is unlikely to help. I told you it plays different. All of them do. As to knowing who did what, they will ignore you. That is what they want to do.

Would it make it easier for you to swallow if we called the author "Terminator Rasputin"?

There are 38 different 2750 rated engines? Terminator Rasputin can only be only guy. Tordka Romstadka??

I never said they were all 2750 in fact of the 10 released so far only one could be plausibly in that range.

Tordka?

I doubt itka.........

[Dann Corbit]

Now, I have few questions, who is chess terminator. Is this a pirated copy of a commercial program?

Why not asking the author himself? AT his homepage there is an e-mail. I think it would be quite easy for you to send your questions.
Regards,
Geno

PS:
by the way, at the homepage of the author there is downloadable files with the sources of his program, so you can easily look at them.

There are a few serious problems with the code. The most serious are:

This structure is uninitialized, and a later routine uses the contents for addressing and accesses out-of-bounds memory.

Also, there is a tiny buffer of 20 bytes called string_in_l[] that gets a big pile of data shoved down its throat. It is not safe to run until those two repairs have been made.

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[Shaun]

Interesting......so CCRLka don't careka what the author is called after all. So if you test Ifrid you will test all our ones as well. Good to knowka....

Get to it Grahamka.......

Seems the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing at CCRLka.

Also for information Tony............Mutha is an original engine

Chriska

Chris,

First I will not be testing Ifrid while the engine site links to a forum that allows pirated software...

However I seriously doubt an open source engine is going to be a clone - this would have to be a first...

Please stick to the facts and stop 'spinning/twisting' everything.

I support what you are trying to do but I hate the way you are going about it.

Shaun

[Dann Corbit]

Interesting......so CCRLka don't careka what the author is called after all. So if you test Ifrid you will test all our ones as well. Good to knowka....

Get to it Grahamka.......

Seems the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing at CCRLka.

Also for information Tony............Mutha is an original engine

Chriska

Chris,

First I will not be testing Ifrid while the engine site links to a forum that allows pirated software...

However I seriously doubt an open source engine is going to be a clone - this would have to be a first...

Please stick to the facts and stop 'spinning/twisting' everything.

I support what you are trying to do but I hate the way you are going about it.

Shaun

[Dann Corbit]

Interesting......so CCRLka don't careka what the author is called after all. So if you test Ifrid you will test all our ones as well. Good to knowka....

Get to it Grahamka.......

Seems the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing at CCRLka.

Also for information Tony............Mutha is an original engine

Chriska

Chris,

First I will not be testing Ifrid while the engine site links to a forum that allows pirated software...

However I seriously doubt an open source engine is going to be a clone - this would have to be a first...

Please stick to the facts and stop 'spinning/twisting' everything.

I support what you are trying to do but I hate the way you are going about it.

Shaun

There have been open source clones before (of course, they were caught right away).

I have fooled around with the source for the new program, and it is not a clone. It's not very strong either. It is actually insulting to watch it play as it destroys it's own pawn structure, thrusts the queen out early, etc.

At any rate, I think that we agree that claims of cheating should be based on evidence instead of suspicion.

[Dann Corbit]

{Using the version of the program with serious bugs removed}

Code: Select all

[Event "Ifrit"]
[Site "DCORBIT64"]
[Date "2007.12.18"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Ifrit"]
[Black "Ifrit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
[ECO "D01b"]
[Variation "Richter-Veresov: 3...Ne4"]
[TimeControl "300+1"]
[Time "17:52:34"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "75"]

1. d4 { (d2d4 Ng8f6 Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Bf8d6 Qd1d2) +0.27/7 21 } 1... Nf6 {
(Ng8f6 Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Bf8d6 Bf4xd6 c7xd6) +0.03/7 16 } 2. Nc3 { (Nb1c3
e7e6 Bc1f4 Bf8d6 Bf4xd6 c7xd6) -0.03/6 5 } 2... d5 { (d7d5 Bc1f4 e7e6 e2e3
Nb8c6 Qd1f3 Bf8d6) 0.00/7 40 } 3. Bg5 { (Bc1g5 Nb8c6 Bg5xf6 e7xf6 Ng1f3
Bc8e6) 0.00/6 8 } 3... Ne4 { (Nf6e4 Nc3xe4 d5xe4 Qd1d2 Bc8e6 Bg5f4) -0.14/6
7 } 4. Bf4 { (Bg5f4 Ne4xc3 b2xc3 Nb8c6 Ng1f3 Bc8e6) 0.00/6 7 } 4... Nc6 {
(Nb8c6 Nc3b5 Ne4d6 Bf4xd6 c7xd6 Ng1f3) -0.10/6 12 } 5. Nb5 { (Nc3b5 Ne4d6
Bf4xd6 c7xd6 Ng1f3) +0.10/6 9 } 5... Nd6 { (Ne4d6 Nb5c3 Bc8e6 e2e3 Nd6c4
Bf1xc4 d5xc4) -0.07/6 7 } 6. e3 { (e2e3 Bc8f5 c2c4 e7e6 c4c5 Nd6xb5 Bf1xb5)
+0.02/6 16 } 6... Bf5 { (Bc8f5 c2c4 e7e6 c4c5 Nd6xb5 Bf1xb5) -0.02/5 3 } 7.
Nf3 { (Ng1f3 e7e6 Qd1d2 a7a6 Nb5c3) +0.20/5 7 } 7... e6 { (e7e6 Bf1e2
Nd6xb5 Be2xb5 Bf8d6 Bb5xc6+ b7xc6) 0.00/5 7 } 8. Be2 { (Bf1e2 Nd6xb5 Be2xb5
Bf8d6 Bb5xc6+ b7xc6) 0.00/4 4 } 8... Nb4 { (Nc6b4 Nb5a3 Qd8f6 00 000)
+0.10/5 14 } 9. Na3 { (Nb5a3 Qd8f6 00 000 Qd1d2) +0.10/5 4 } 9... Qf6 {
(Qd8f6 00 Nb4c6 Bf4e5 Nc6xe5 d4xe5) -0.06/5 23 } 10. O-O { (00 Nb4c6 Bf4g5
Qf6g6 Bg5f4) +0.20/5 10 } 10... Be4 { (Bf5e4 Na3b5 Ke8d7 Nb5xd6 Bf8xd6)
-0.20/5 12 } 11. Qd2 { (Qd1d2 Nb4c6 Qd2c3 000) +0.20/4 3 } 11... Nc6 {
(Nb4c6 c2c4 b7b6 c4xd5 e6xd5) -0.41/5 6 } 12. c4 { (c2c4 b7b6 c4xd5 e6xd5)
+0.41/4 3 } 12... dxc4 { (d5xc4 Na3xc4 Be4xf3 g2xf3 000) -0.38/5 7 } 13.
Nxc4 { (Na3xc4 Be4xf3 g2xf3 000) +0.38/5 6 } 13... Bxf3 { (Be4xf3 g2xf3
000) -0.38/5 3 } 14. gxf3 { (g2xf3 000) +0.38/5 3 } 14... Nxc4 { (Nd6xc4
Be2xc4 Bf8b4 Qd2d1 000) -0.18/5 3 } 15. Bxc4 { (Be2xc4 Bf8d6 Bc4b5 00
Bb5xc6 b7xc6) -0.02/6 8 } 15... Bd6 { (Bf8d6 Bc4b5 00 Bb5xc6 b7xc6) +0.02/5
2 } 16. Bxd6 { (Bf4xd6 c7xd6 d4d5 Qf6g5+ Kg1h1 e6xd5 Bc4xd5) -0.09/6 7 }
16... cxd6 { (c7xd6 d4d5 Nc6e5 Bc4e2 Qf6g6+ Kg1h1 00) +0.47/6 9 } 17. d5 {
(d4d5 Nc6e5 Bc4e2 Qf6g6+ Kg1h1 00) -0.47/5 2 } 17... Ne5 { (Nc6e5 Bc4b5+
Ke8e7 Bb5e2 Ne5xf3+ Be2xf3 Qf6xf3 Ra1d1 e6xd5 Qd2xd5) +0.59/6 9 } 18. Be2 {
(Bc4e2 Ne5xf3+ Be2xf3 Qf6xf3 Qd2d4 e6xd5 Qd4xg7) -0.87/6 12 } 18... Nxf3+ {
(Ne5xf3+ Be2xf3 Qf6xf3 Qd2d4 e6xd5 Qd4xg7) +0.87/5 2 } 19. Bxf3 { (Be2xf3
Qf6xf3 Qd2d4 Qf3xd5 Qd4xg7 Qd5e5 Qg7xe5 d6xe5) -0.69/7 6 } 19... Qxf3 {
(Qf6xf3 Qd2d4 Qf3xd5 Qd4xg7 Qd5e5 Qg7xe5 d6xe5) +0.69/6 6 } 20. Qd4 {
(Qd2d4 e6xd5 Qd4xg7 Ke8d7 Qg7g3 Ra8g8) -0.87/6 3 } 20... exd5 { (e6xd5
Ra1d1 00 Rd1d2 Ra8d8 Qd4xd5) +0.89/6 7 } 21. Rad1 { (Ra1d1 00 Rd1d2 Ra8d8
Qd4xd5) -0.89/5 2 } 21... O-O { (00 Qd4xd5 Qf3g4+ Qd5g2 Qg4xg2+ Kg1xg2
Ra8d8 Kg2g1) +0.99/6 4 } 22. Qxd5 { (Qd4xd5 Qf3g4+ Kg1h1 Qg4e2 Qd5xb7 Ra8b8
Qb7xa7 Rb8xb2) -0.79/6 3 } 22... Qg4+ { (Qf3g4+ Qd5g2 Qg4xg2+ Kg1xg2 Ra8d8
Rd1d5 Rd8d7 Kg2g1) +0.69/6 4 } 23. Kh1 { (Kg1h1 Qg4e2 Qd5xb7 Rf8b8 Qb7c6
Qe2xb2 Rd1xd6 Qb2xa2) -0.69/7 7 } 23... Qe2 { (Qg4e2 Qd5xb7 Rf8b8 Qb7c6
Qe2xb2 Rd1xd6 Qb2xa2) +0.69/6 6 } 24. Qxb7 { (Qd5xb7 Ra8b8 Qb7xa7 Rb8xb2
Qa7d4 Rf8d8) -0.59/6 4 } 24... Rab8 { (Ra8b8 Qb7xa7 Rb8xb2 Qa7d4 Rf8d8)
+0.59/5 1 } 25. Qxa7 { (Qb7xa7 Rb8b4 h2h3 Rb4xb2 Qa7d4 Qe2f3+ Kh1g1 Rb2xa2
Qd4xd6 Qf3xh3) -0.69/6 3 } 25... Rb4 { (Rb8b4 h2h3 Rb4xb2 Qa7c7 Qe2f3+
Kh1g1 Rb2xf2 Rf1xf2 Qf3xd1+) +0.59/6 7 } 26. h3 { (h2h3 Rb4xb2 Qa7c7 Rb2xa2
Qc7xd6 Qe2f3+ Kh1g1 Qf3xh3) -0.69/6 2 } 26... Rxb2 { (Rb4xb2 Qa7d4 Qe2f3+
Kh1g1 Rb2xa2 Qd4xd6 Qf3xh3) +0.69/3 0 } 27. Qd4 { (Qa7d4 Qe2f3+ Kh1g1
Rb2xa2 Qd4xd6 Qf3xh3) -0.69/6 4 } 27... Re8 { (Rf8e8 Rd1e1 Qe2f3+ Kh1g1
Rb2xa2 Qd4xd6 Qf3xh3) +0.69/5 1 } 28. Kg1 { (Kh1g1 Re8e6 Rd1c1 Re6g6+ Kg1h2
Rb2c2 Rc1xc2 Qe2xc2) -0.59/6 10 } 28... Re6 { (Re8e6 a2a3 Re6g6+ Kg1h2)
+0.79/4 0 } 29. Rc1 { (Rd1c1 Re6g6+ Kg1h2 h7h6 Rc1c8+ Kg8h7 a2a3 Rg6f6)
-0.49/6 4 } 29... Rg6+ { (Re6g6+ Kg1h2 h7h6 Rc1c8+ Kg8h7 a2a3 Rg6f6)
+0.49/5 1 } 30. Kh2 { (Kg1h2 h7h6 Rc1c8+ Kg8h7 a2a3 Rg6f6) -0.49/7 6 }
30... h6 { (h7h6 Rc1c8+ Kg8h7 a2a3 Rg6f6) +0.49/5 0 } 31. a4 { (a2a4 Rg6f6
Rc1c8+ Kg8h7 Kh2g1 Rf6xf2 Qd4xb2 Rf2xf1+) -0.49/5 1 } 31... Qf3 { (Qe2f3
Rc1c8+ Kg8h7 Qd4g4 Rb2xf2+ Rf1xf2 Qf3xf2+ Kh2h1 Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2xe3)
+7.10/5 1 } 32. Rc8+ { (Rc1c8+ Kg8h7 Qd4g4 Rb2xf2+ Rf1xf2 Qf3xf2+ Kh2h1
Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2xe3) -7.10/8 3 } 32... Kh7 { (Kg8h7 Qd4g4 Rb2xf2+ Rf1xf2
Qf3xf2+ Kh2h1 Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2xe3) +7.10/4 0 } 33. Qg4 { (Qd4g4 Rb2xf2+
Rf1xf2 Qf3xf2+ Kh2h1 Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2xe3) -7.10/7 1 } 33... Rxf2+ {
(Rb2xf2+ Rf1xf2 Qf3xf2+ Kh2h1 Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2h4+ Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2
Qg4xc8) +12.99/6 1 } 34. Rxf2 { (Rf1xf2 Qf3xf2+ Kh2h1 Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2h4+
Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2 Qg4xc8 Kh2g1) -12.49/11 5 } 34... Qxf2+ { (Qf3xf2+
Kh2h1 Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2h4+ Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2 Qg4xc8) +12.99/6 0 } 35. Kh1
{ (Kh2h1 Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2h4+ Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2 Qg4xc8 Kh2g1 Kh7g8)
-12.99/9 6 } 35... Rxg4 { (Rg6xg4 h3xg4 Qf2h4+ Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2 Qg4xc8)
+12.99/6 0 } 36. hxg4 { (h3xg4 Qf2h4+ Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2 Qg4xc8 a4a5 Qc8c5
Kh2g1 Qc5xa5) -13.59/8 7 } 36... Qh4+ { (Qf2h4+ Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2 Qg4xc8
a4a5 Qc8c5 Kh2g1 Qc5xa5) +13.59/6 1 } 37. Kg1 { (Kh1g1 Qh4xg4+ Kg1h2 Qg4xc8
a4a5 Qc8a8 Kh2g1 Kh7g8 a5a6 Qa8xa6) -14.09/8 4 } 37... Qxg4+ { (Qh4xg4+
Kg1h2 Qg4xc8 a4a5 Qc8c5 a5a6 Qc5xe3) +13.82/6 1 } 38. Kh2 { (Kg1h2 Qg4xc8
a4a5 Qc8f5 a5a6 Qf5f2+ Kh2h3 Qf2f1+ Kh3h4 Qf1xa6) -14.09/7 1 White resigns
} 0-1

[Christopher Conkie]

Interesting......so CCRLka don't careka what the author is called after all. So if you test Ifrid you will test all our ones as well. Good to knowka....

Get to it Grahamka.......

Seems the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing at CCRLka.

Also for information Tony............Mutha is an original engine

Chriska

Chris,

First I will not be testing Ifrid while the engine site links to a forum that allows pirated software...

However I seriously doubt an open source engine is going to be a clone - this would have to be a first...

Please stick to the facts and stop 'spinning/twisting' everything.

I support what you are trying to do but I hate the way you are going about it.

Shaun

That is why I told him to go and look at the source. He asked what I thought of Ifrid. I have no thoughts on the matter. He can easily go and find out himself as the engine IS open source. Do keep up.......

As to the pirate software site, that's wrong but being a human (yes its true) I do have a choice. I can choose wether to click on it or not.

The pirate software site itself should be shut down.

The comments directed at CCRLka are because they previously stated that they do not test anonymous engines. Ifrid IS anonymous.

So one member states they dont test them......

http://schachwerkstatt.foren-city.de/to ... rybka.html

......and here....another one (Kirill Kryukov) says they do.

I hate the way the american computer chess community is not self aware. In the european computer chess community its very different. Most of the people there know when a dog is a dog. Issues of copyright are resolved in a fair and methodical way. Here its trial by forum and even those who should know better perform as if they have blinkers on.

In the US disassembly is ok it seems (i'd love to see it really tested although). In Europe its not and it does not matter how bloody strong the engine is.

While this impass exists you will always struggle here.

I personally cannot be bothered with what you think here whilst you insist on giving air to what is so obviously illegal. Me? I will however stop on the road to shoot in the head a rabid dog. If you want to be bitten by it of course that is not my problem. Hey....I'm alive....who cares about you?

If you want people to just hop in at 2800 elo with no work involved thats up to you. Marian Jones syndrome is a well tried and very precarious route to success throughout history.

In sane societies it fails for obvious reasons.

There is no spin here. If you allow things like Strelka any form of competition is dead. CCRLka should know better but to be blinded by elo is a force to be reckoned with.

I have no qualms about placing in the bucket any kind of rubbish like that at all.

Time you all woke up or even developed a pulse........

Chriska

[GenoM]

{Using the version of the program with serious bugs removed}

Can this bug-free version be downloaded?