The blackmail was the following. Osipov urged Vas to grant him the "right" to go commercial with "his" Strelka. Vas refused it and now Osopov published the source. If that event is honest and legal and ethically decent then oh my goodness!
You are so well informed!
How do you know this?
How could you prove it?
This is what Vas had to say:
I declined to grant him rights to commercialize Strelka.
Thanks, Graham,
but for me it is not a proof. It was only Vas´ declaration.
I have seen the correspondence, and Osipov's *multiple* requests to Vas to commercialize Strelka.
Osipov answered to some Rajlich staments on KC forum. One of the answers (with my translation):
Никогда не собирался выпускать коммерческую Стрелку. Идея этого возникла в Конвекте, но Васик наложил свое вето. Это - внутренние дела Конвекты и Васика. Я не имею к этому никакого отношения. И совершенно не сожалею о том, что проект не состоялся. Предпочитаю оставаться свободным человеком.
I was never going to commercialize Strelka. It was Convekta's idea, but Vasik put his veto on it. This is fully between Vasik and Convekta internal business. I don't have any relationship with that. And i absolutely don't regret about this project failure. I prefer to stay free man.
Andrej Sidorov wrote:Osipov answered to some Rajlich staments on KC forum. One of the answers (with my translation):
Никогда не собирался выпускать коммерческую Стрелку. Идея этого возникла в Конвекте, но Васик наложил свое вето. Это - внутренние дела Конвекты и Васика. Я не имею к этому никакого отношения. И совершенно не сожалею о том, что проект не состоялся. Предпочитаю оставаться свободным человеком.
I was never going to commercialize Strelka. It was Convekta's idea, but Vasik put his veto on it. This is fully between Vasik and Convekta internal business. I don't have any relationship with that. And i absolutely don't regret about this project failure. I prefer to stay free man.
As a Russian speaker could you please describe to the members hoiw the speech of Osipov et al does sound in Russian original? I for one found that in the online translation there is a basic sound of ridicul or contempt for Vasik and the best engine on Earth. Is this a false understanding of typiclly Russian melody or is this a typical sound of Osipov. Because then it would prove to me the basically evil and criminal intentions of this figure.
Do you have any data about the identity of the figure?
Would you see a slight possibility that Osipov were foreigner and no Russian? A Bulgarian or Serb for example? Any idea?
Thanks so much. Regards from Germany!
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
As a Russian speaker could you please describe to the members hoiw the speech of Osipov et al does sound in Russian original? I for one found that in the online translation there is a basic sound of ridicul or contempt for Vasik and the best engine on Earth. Is this a false understanding of typiclly Russian melody or is this a typical sound of Osipov. Because then it would prove to me the basically evil and criminal intentions of this figure.
Do you have any data about the identity of the figure?
Would you see a slight possibility that Osipov were foreigner and no Russian? A Bulgarian or Serb for example? Any idea?
Thanks so much. Regards from Germany!
As a Russian speaker I hardly understand what did you say about melodies, criminals and figures.
Good translation of Osipov's words will be done soon by GenoM.
Yuri Ivanovich Osipov lives in Moscow, Sergei Markoff and other people met him many times.
As a Russian speaker could you please describe to the members hoiw the speech of Osipov et al does sound in Russian original? I for one found that in the online translation there is a basic sound of ridicul or contempt for Vasik and the best engine on Earth. Is this a false understanding of typiclly Russian melody or is this a typical sound of Osipov. Because then it would prove to me the basically evil and criminal intentions of this figure.
Do you have any data about the identity of the figure?
Would you see a slight possibility that Osipov were foreigner and no Russian? A Bulgarian or Serb for example? Any idea?
Thanks so much. Regards from Germany!
As a Russian speaker I hardly understand what did you say about melodies, criminals and figures.
Good translation of Osipov's words will be done soon by GenoM.
Yuri Ivanovich Osipov lives in Moscow, Sergei Markoff and other people met him many times.
I see. My question was coming out of surprise because I didt know yet that Russians speak with a typically Britisch sarcasm. Know what I mean? The Russian in its online translation sounds so cynical and full of contempt for Vasik, from a position that is miles higher than the one of normal deadly people.
Could I enter this forum with Kasparov in its name and post in English to ask some questions there??
Thanks for your friendliness.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
No, really not. You claim, that Rybka ~ Fruit, because Strelka ~ Rybka, and Strelka ~ Fruit and now you want evidence that Rybka ~ Strelka...
Alex
Rajlich said that Strelka's code is his own code and it will release as his engine, but now well known that strelka's codes is very fruitly. Maybe Rajlich must also public fruit 2.1 as his own engine
No
It is not well known but only an opinion.
Not everybody considers strelka's code as *very* fruitly
Uri
Osipov said that strelka based on fruit! It's fact.
No, really not. You claim, that Rybka ~ Fruit, because Strelka ~ Rybka, and Strelka ~ Fruit and now you want evidence that Rybka ~ Strelka...
Alex
Rajlich said that Strelka's code is his own code and it will release as his engine, but now well known that strelka's codes is very fruitly. Maybe Rajlich must also public fruit 2.1 as his own engine
No
It is not well known but only an opinion.
Not everybody considers strelka's code as *very* fruitly
Uri
Osipov said that strelka based on fruit! It's fact.
You can choose if to believe him or not believe him so there is no known fact here.
For every 2 codes A and B
You can start from code A and change everything and get code B so even if he started from fruit it proves nothing.
No, really not. You claim, that Rybka ~ Fruit, because Strelka ~ Rybka, and Strelka ~ Fruit and now you want evidence that Rybka ~ Strelka...
Alex
Rajlich said that Strelka's code is his own code and it will release as his engine, but now well known that strelka's codes is very fruitly. Maybe Rajlich must also public fruit 2.1 as his own engine
No
It is not well known but only an opinion.
Not everybody considers strelka's code as *very* fruitly
Uri
Osipov said that strelka based on fruit! It's fact.
You can choose if to believe him or not believe him so there is no known fact here.
For every 2 codes A and B
You can start from code A and change everything and get code B so even if he started from fruit it proves nothing.
Uri
As it is possible to not trust the author who has told: strelka based on fruit. Too most programmers who have carefully studied strelka's code speak that strelka is clone fruit.
The author saying it is based on fruit does not in fact make it "fact"
Didn't people already compare fruit and strelka and say that strelka was not a fruit clone. These were top experts in the field. Plus, I think uri has looked at fruit code and he has had access to the strelka code, well before alot of people and is using it to inform the developmennt of his engine. I assume he would be able to say whether or not it is fruit.
Anthony C and others whom I assume are familiar with fruit code have been looking at the strelka code (see rybka forum) and marvelling at some of rybykas/strelks insights and simplicities. why would anybody "marvell" if it was somehtng they had already been familiar with for years.
This is so simple. Unbiased Programing experts can compare the code and say whether it is a clone of fruit (and this, as i recall, has been done)
best
J
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No, really not. You claim, that Rybka ~ Fruit, because Strelka ~ Rybka, and Strelka ~ Fruit and now you want evidence that Rybka ~ Strelka...
Alex
Rajlich said that Strelka's code is his own code and it will release as his engine, but now well known that strelka's codes is very fruitly. Maybe Rajlich must also public fruit 2.1 as his own engine
No
It is not well known but only an opinion.
Not everybody considers strelka's code as *very* fruitly
Uri
Osipov said that strelka based on fruit! It's fact.
You can choose if to believe him or not believe him so there is no known fact here.
For every 2 codes A and B
You can start from code A and change everything and get code B so even if he started from fruit it proves nothing.
Uri
It seems to me, that some people very much would not like to look to the truth in eyes and to recognize that Rybka and Fruit are close relatives.
