Strelka

[Sylwy]

Just to receive another portion of hatred and accusations of cloning?

Of course YES !
Self-chastising !

You aren't a Bulgarian Christian ?



Silvian

[Sylwy]

Hi Ev !

Yes ! The spring is here !

Silvian

[mclane]

I am also sure that the new Strelka will be announced as a clone. But I am not worried.

Then that's a real shame. If it is not a clone, then you should allow it to be seen as such.
I hope that you'll reconsider.

Cheers, Graham.

Osipov send the source code of the first Strelka to experts here. Against their opinion, Strelka is still considered clone. Why he has to reveal the source code of new Strelka? Just to receive another portion of hatred and accusations of cloning?

you forget that those people here are religious. ever heard of the inquisition ?

I guess they will throw him into water and watch if he swims on the surface if he is handcuffed. if he swims strelka is a clone and satanic and if he sinks to the ground strelka was no clone and he is dead.

[bob]

Yesterday I downloaded last version of Strelka, I played it and of course I saw it is a fantastically strong engine.
Now, my question:
Was it probed as a clone of Rybka or not?
I did not follow that discussion entirely when it happened so I am in the open about this.
If it is probed as clone, I will uninstall it.
I do not want to harm Vass.

Fern

Vas certainly claimed it was a clone.

Yes, but he meant something else than what you implied with your few buddies. Let me make this very clear, it can either say, yes I have thoroughly examined the source, compared it with my own and judge it as equal and therefore I say it's mine, or - it can mean and this is what I think it means, I claim that it's practically mine and who ever uses it in our juridical sphere in the Western US World, he gets problems. However what Bob said and others believed it, Vas has stated himself that this is his thing and because the hidden author of this thing has claimed that he took it from FRUIT, therefore, Bob claimed repeatedly, that Vasik had made a big mistake - because this way he had admitted that he took his own stuff from FRUIT.

I think that nobody should say such a nonsense against Vas. Therefore I find the naivety, played, pretended or not of Fern, a bit too outlandish to be taken for serious. But in the end he will admit it himself. I for one find the whole topic a bit indecent, to say the least, but then I am just an observer of the scene that once saw its offspring in science.

Sad to see those days have gone with the wind...

He didn't mean anything else. he said is was directly derived from rybka 1, and he was claiming the code as his own.

please go away.

[ernest]

...usual rubbish...

please go away.

Not sure answering the poor guy helps that goal... (unless you're really a Father Figure to him )

[hgm]

He didn't mean anything else. he said is was directly derived from rybka 1, and he was claiming the code as his own.

As a matter of principle, I don't think it is proper procedure to simply claim a code as your own. Proper procedure would be to release your own source, so that people could see for themselves the other version is a clone.

There is not even any need to send the code only to a trusted party, for comparison: by claiming that the code is yours, you implicitly have revealed any secrets your own version contained. So nothing would be lost by publishing your own code. Then everyone ould compare it to the alleged clone, and everyone could check to see if your code compiled to the same file as your earlier executable.

[fern]

Rolf, you always read my candor as something else.
Fern

[slobo]

He didn't mean anything else. he said is was directly derived from rybka 1, and he was claiming the code as his own.

As a matter of principle, I don't think it is proper procedure to simply claim a code as your own. Proper procedure would be to release your own source, so that people could see for themselves the other version is a clone.

There is not even any need to send the code only to a trusted party, for comparison: by claiming that the code is yours, you implicitly have revealed any secrets your own version contained. So nothing would be lost by publishing your own code. Then everyone ould compare it to the alleged clone, and everyone could check to see if your code compiled to the same file as your earlier executable.

Nice logic !

[Rolf]

He didn't mean anything else. he said is was directly derived from rybka 1, and he was claiming the code as his own.

As a matter of principle, I don't think it is proper procedure to simply claim a code as your own. Proper procedure would be to release your own source, so that people could see for themselves the other version is a clone.

There is not even any need to send the code only to a trusted party, for comparison: by claiming that the code is yours, you implicitly have revealed any secrets your own version contained. So nothing would be lost by publishing your own code. Then everyone ould compare it to the alleged clone, and everyone could check to see if your code compiled to the same file as your earlier executable.

You are right on. Since Shredder author, Junior author, Fritz author, Rebel author, MChess author, CM author, The King author Chess Genius author all have published their source codes. So Vas is really a singularity in this World of Publishers. Sure.

Oersonally I believe that

1) no Yuri exists who can program a chess machine

2) there are millions of Yuri in Russia and the USA

3) I am convinced therefore that the Yuri legend of Strelko is made to harm Vas.

Everybody who supports Yuri is against Vas and Rolf!

[slobo]

He didn't mean anything else. he said is was directly derived from rybka 1, and he was claiming the code as his own.

As a matter of principle, I don't think it is proper procedure to simply claim a code as your own. Proper procedure would be to release your own source, so that people could see for themselves the other version is a clone.

There is not even any need to send the code only to a trusted party, for comparison: by claiming that the code is yours, you implicitly have revealed any secrets your own version contained. So nothing would be lost by publishing your own code. Then everyone ould compare it to the alleged clone, and everyone could check to see if your code compiled to the same file as your earlier executable.

You are right on. Since Shredder author, Junior author, Fritz author, Rebel author, MChess author, CM author, The King author Chess Genius author all have published their source codes. So Vas is really a singularity in this World of Publishers. Sure.

Oersonally I believe that

1) no Yuri exists who can program a chess machine

2) there are millions of Yuri in Russia and the USA

3) I am convinced therefore that the Yuri legend of Strelko is made to harm Vas.

Everybody who supports Yuri is against Vas and Rolf!

You did mean: "Against Rolf and Vas" I suppose.