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bob wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Karmazen & Oliver wrote:
SzG wrote:...
yes. and it is no t the objetive of this forum... who are the tribunal that fire clons? in some moments they can have some errors... because Not is necesary see the code... similar or not, exits other persons that evaluate that.

I hope that rybka 4 go to top over the world. and i thing that if can take some betters of others engines, this is good for the comunity chess. bye. and not censured regards from spain.
With the source code of the so claimed clone published,it will be hard for Rybka to keep it's dominancy as even now it's under heavy developement and when the MP version appears,then the Rybka team can start to get worried....
Don't be scared,be terrified regards,
Dr.d :wink:
Particularly if the do a _decent_ SMP implementation. :)
My point Bob and be sure that they will....
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SzG wrote: If you had followed the threads here closely you'd know that I never demanded full proof. I asked for an uniform opinion of reliable experts. No such uniform opinion has been formed, in fact I think at least as many experts declared it is not a clone as experts claiming it is a clone.

Some people like to go lynching.
How many programmers support the theory that Ippolit is original?

Mike Sherwin - Is that it?

Now how many programmers support the theory that Ippolit is NOT original?

The list is very very very long.

Some people will test anything Gabor.
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SzG wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: How many programmers support the theory that Ippolit is original?

Mike Sherwin - Is that it?
Although I myself don't remember the names, GCP himself said that my 10-0 requirement cannot be met as there are at least 4-5 programmers against Ippo being a clone.
Name them. I'd really like to see the names of those lunatics who think that that code is hand/human written.

Christopher
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Christopher Conkie wrote:
SzG wrote: If you had followed the threads here closely you'd know that I never demanded full proof. I asked for an uniform opinion of reliable experts. No such uniform opinion has been formed, in fact I think at least as many experts declared it is not a clone as experts claiming it is a clone.

Some people like to go lynching.
How many programmers support the theory that Ippolit is original?

Mike Sherwin - Is that it?

Now how many programmers support the theory that Ippolit is NOT original?

The list is very very very long.


Some people will test anything Gabor.
Where is this list,I'll very interested to take a close look at :!: :?:

So it seems that the programmers that support the theory that Ippolit is a complete clone of Rybka actualy have access to Rybka's source code while the members of the other camp are plain fools :!: :?:

Know what,the bad thing is that when I stick to my guns regarding this issue,I automaticaly become a supporter of the bandits that have stolen Vasik's work and actualy go on a crosade against Vasik himself....well,guess what,it's not like that at all....

I am a man of science and this science is related to a very delicate aspect,people's heath....I must be precise and to be precise I must investigate with scientific approach to diagnose,treat,etc...

Regarding this issue,I've only read the staement:
Yes,Vasik said it's a clone of Rybka....

sorry,that's not good enough for me....

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SzG wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: I'd really like to see the names of those lunatics who think that that code is hand/human written.
No, it is written by a machine. The machine decompiled Rybka, then compiled it again, and the result was an 50 Elo improvement. Suggest Vasik to do the same twice, and he'll lhave a 100 Elo improvement over Rybka 3...
Ippolit 0.080a is NOT repeat NOT 50 elo stronger than Rybka 3. Neither was Robbolito 0.084. Anything after that does not merit any discussion.

Toga was made stronger than Fruit 2.1.

Your logic stinks badly Gabor.

I have been looking at this thing since May along with many others privately. I don't think you know anything about disassembly and the parts that are hacked out of Ippolit that make it play the way it does. Best to not say anything before you make yourself look silly.

Whining for the sake of it makes no sense at all. Give my regards to Lenin.
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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: Where is this list,I'll very interested to take a close look at :!: :?:
It is obvious you don't read much of what matters here often. Just for you for starters......

Bob Hyatt
Dann Corbit
Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Jury Osipov
Marco Costalba
Edmund Moshammer
Jon Dart
Alex Schmidt
Miguel A. Ballicora
M Ansari
Robert Hollay
Eelco de Groot
Zach Wegner
Shivkumar Shivaji
Raimund Heid
Ryan Benitez
Vincent Diepeveen
Fonzy Blumers
Gerd Isenberg
Harm Geet Muller
Vas Raljich (last but not least)

And against all that we have

Deeb, Szots and Stojanovich (The DSS...UK people will understand)
I am a man of science and this science is related to a very delicate aspect,people's heath....I must be precise and to be precise I must investigate with scientific approach to diagnose,treat,etc...
Do you understand the concept of more and less?
sorry,that's not good enough for me....

Dr.D
Nothing will ever be good enough for you.

Christopher
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SzG wrote:
Christopher Conkie wrote: Ippolit 0.080a is NOT repeat NOT 50 elo stronger than Rybka 3.
How do you know? Tested it? I haven't.

Some people test anything.
Yes we did extensively.

Some people don't read very well.

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SzG wrote:Please list only chess programmers. Szots is not one.
Some people cannot read very well.

We know. Get the drift?
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Christopher Conkie wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote: Where is this list,I'll very interested to take a close look at :!: :?:
It is obvious you don't read much of what matters here often. Just for you for starters......

Bob Hyatt
Dann Corbit
Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Jury Osipov
Marco Costalba
Edmund Moshammer
Jon Dart
Alex Schmidt
Miguel A. Ballicora
M Ansari
Robert Hollay
Eelco de Groot
Zach Wegner
Shivkumar Shivaji
Raimund Heid
Ryan Benitez
Vincent Diepeveen
Fonzy Blumers
Gerd Isenberg
Harm Geet Muller
Vas Raljich (last but not least)

And against all that we have

Deeb, Szots and Stojanovich (The DSS...UK people will understand)
I am a man of science and this science is related to a very delicate aspect,people's heath....I must be precise and to be precise I must investigate with scientific approach to diagnose,treat,etc...
Do you understand the concept of more and less?
sorry,that's not good enough for me....

Dr.D
Nothing will ever be good enough for you.

Christopher
Yes,I must admit that it's a beautiful list you have out there,I will print it and put it as a decoration in my office....

Some notes though:
_1.Not all the people in your list are programmers so it sems that you don't read well what other people write in their posts....and after snatching the nonprogrammer part of your list,it again doesn't prove anything because all that I've read were opinions and the woed opinion means:

1. a view or judgement not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. Øthe beliefs or views of a large number of people. Øan estimation of quality or worth: he had a high opinion of himself.
2. Law a formal statement of reasons for a judgement given. Øa barrister's advice on the merits of a case.

_2.I am almost certin that you know much more about this affair than me or Gabor or many other people,but that doesn't mean that the other people are silly and you are superior....

_3.As a customer I have the full right to know all the facts surronding the products I purchase....so insulting Gabor telling him to stop whining is silly to say the least because in less than 5 minutes I can dig and post all you've wrote about Fritz 12 and it's bugs and instability,and,and....back then were you whining Christopher :?:
Don't forget the fact that I supported you then because you were right and the things that you were complaining from are real and can be recognised easily....opposite to the issue in question here....

_4.DSS....now why only the people in the UK would understand what it means :!: :?:
Don't make personal attacks Christopher,keep it civil and debate like a gentleman,I didn't insulte you because of your position regarding this issue....yet :!: :!:

Dr.D

P.S.You owe me,Gabor and Slobodan an appology for the DSS and for God sake,stop using the we thingy everytime you want to take the upper hand in a debate....who are the we people,some kind of secret society or something :?: :?:
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_4.DSS....now why only the people in the UK would understand what it means
Don't make personal attacks Christopher,keep it civil and debate like a gentleman,I didn't insulte you because of your position regarding this issue....yet
You don't know what it is (was).......
P.S.You owe me,Gabor and Slobodan an appology for the DSS and for God sake,stop using the we thingy everytime you want to prove something....who are the we people,some kind of secret society or something
What does DSS mean Wael?

You tell me.......

I'm waiting for your "science"......

Christopher