Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NOW...

[lkaufman]

Assuming that the computers can enter their then-current version and not the one from this tournament, I would expect the computers to win the match, as it does not sound like the pros will be represented by the titleholders.

Did you look at the games of the winner, GPS? They are at http://homepage.mac.com/junichi_takada/wcsc22/ . I read comments critical of GPS’s games. I think the computers are not ready to beat the pros.

It was the same way in chess. Even when computers were already scoring 50% against Kasparov and Kramnik, commentators had no trouble finding computer moves to make fun of. But of course, if computers were asked to comment, they would make fun of many moves played by Kasparov and Kramnik. Computers and humans have very different strengths and weaknesses, and you cannot predict which will win a match by selectively criticizing moves of the engines. For example, in shogi engines are criticized for being poor at judging who will mate faster in the endgame (if neither side threatens TSUME). But at some point they will outplay the humans so badly that this just won't often matter.

[pichy]

Assuming that the computers can enter their then-current version and not the one from this tournament, I would expect the computers to win the match, as it does not sound like the pros will be represented by the titleholders.

Did you look at the games of the winner, GPS? They are at http://homepage.mac.com/junichi_takada/wcsc22/ . I read comments critical of GPS’s games. I think the computers are not ready to beat the pros.

It was the same way in chess. Even when computers were already scoring 50% against Kasparov and Kramnik, commentators had no trouble finding computer moves to make fun of. But of course, if computers were asked to comment, they would make fun of many moves played by Kasparov and Kramnik. Computers and humans have very different strengths and weaknesses, and you cannot predict which will win a match by selectively criticizing moves of the engines. For example, in shogi engines are criticized for being poor at judging who will mate faster in the endgame (if neither side threatens TSUME). But at some point they will outplay the humans so badly that this just won't often matter.

Mr. Kaufman can you do us the honor to download GPS-Shogi and play one game at 60 minutes per side and let us know how strong you think it is?
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... =NAQEyT7HZ

[lkaufman]

I downloaded it, but it seems I need an interface. When I click on "usishogi" I get the Black DOS screen, and when I type "shogi" I get a list of commands, but that's all I can do so far. I'm using an 8 core Windows xp 64 bit machine (pre - sse). I gather I can only use two cores, but that's ok. Can you tell me how to get a suitable interface to run it on, or what I have to do?

[mschribr]

I downloaded it, but it seems I need an interface. When I click on "usishogi" I get the Black DOS screen, and when I type "shogi" I get a list of commands, but that's all I can do so far. I'm using an 8 core Windows xp 64 bit machine (pre - sse). I gather I can only use two cores, but that's ok. Can you tell me how to get a suitable interface to run it on, or what I have to do?

Are you using shogidokoro? If not then get it from http://www.geocities.jp/shogidokoro/index.html

[lkaufman]

OK, I downloaded shogidokoro and put the gps engine in it successfully. However when I try to play a game (either myself or engine vs engine), nothing happens, it ignores all mouse moves and keyboard strokes. Am I doing something wrong, or is it possible that Windows xp 64 bit is a problem?

[mschribr]

OK, I downloaded shogidokoro and put the gps engine in it successfully. However when I try to play a game (either myself or engine vs engine), nothing happens, it ignores all mouse moves and keyboard strokes. Am I doing something wrong, or is it possible that Windows xp 64 bit is a problem?

I have shogidokoro and GPS from 2011. I am using windows xp 32 bit. i will try to use the new versions.

[hgm]

I downloaded GPS Shogi, and could run the installer ( gpsshogi-20111117.1.1-win32.exe ). When I try to run the USI version, however, it terminates with an error message that it cannot access a file somewhere in /home/daigo/... (which, on my system, of course does not exist at all):

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892 <first : # engine said: Failed to load NewProgress data 288419
3185 <first : # engine said: warning: rating load failed Capture 0 in /home/daigo/cprojects/gpsshogi.cmake/osl/data/rating
3255 <first : # engine said: error: unable to load rating from /home/daigo/cprojects/gpsshogi.cmake/osl/data/rating
3255 <first : # engine said: This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way.
3255 <first : # engine said: Please contact the application's support team for more information.
Fatal Error: Error: first chess program (UCI2WB debug -s gpsusi.exe C:/WinBoard-4.6.1/gpsshogi/smp) exited unexpectedly

This also happens when I run it from the command line, after I type 'isready'. (In reaction to 'usi' it correctly prints its options, and 'usiok'.) So it seems the binary is simply broken.

[pichy]

I downloaded GPS Shogi, and could run the installer ( gpsshogi-20111117.1.1-win32.exe ). When I try to run the USI version, however, it terminates with an error message that it cannot access a file somewhere in /home/daigo/... (which, on my system, of course does not exist at all):

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892 <first : # engine said: Failed to load NewProgress data 288419
3185 <first : # engine said: warning: rating load failed Capture 0 in /home/daigo/cprojects/gpsshogi.cmake/osl/data/rating
3255 <first : # engine said: error: unable to load rating from /home/daigo/cprojects/gpsshogi.cmake/osl/data/rating
3255 <first : # engine said: This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way.
3255 <first : # engine said: Please contact the application's support team for more information.
Fatal Error: Error: first chess program (UCI2WB debug -s gpsusi.exe C:/WinBoard-4.6.1/gpsshogi/smp) exited unexpectedly

This also happens when I run it from the command line, after I type 'isready'. (In reaction to 'usi' it correctly prints its options, and 'usiok'.) So it seems the binary is simply broken.

Do you have the latest Microsoft Network.Net Framework installed on your computer?

For Windows XP: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download ... aspx?id=19
For the latest Windows: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download ... x?id=17718

[hgm]

Probably not, but how should that help against this error? The file it tries to access doesn't sound like a MicroSoft file.

[Edit] If I look in the configuration screen under 'Software', it says I have .NET Framework 3.5 SP1. (Last used 22-09-2009...)

[hgm]

This is very weird: I went back to my Chess PC, where I did have an older version of GPS Shogi installed. I am sure I have been running that in the past: I tried to have it participate in the Shogi bullet tourney I did last year, but it was forfeiting most games on time because it sometimes pauses for 4 sec (to do garbage collection for the memory allocation, according to the author), which makes ift forfeit if you play with increments of 1 sec. So in the end I did the bullet tourney without GPS Shogi, but this was just a bullet problem, and at longer TC it played without problems, and was actually the strongest engine I had.

But when I try to run that old executable now, (either from the command line or from the GUI where I used it before), it crashes at startup with the same error message as above!?