ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

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ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

Post by Theo van der Storm »

ICT Leiden: Third round
Zappa - Scorpio
and
Hiarcs - Rybka
live on on Playchess

1st and 2nd round see
http://www.csvn.nl/index.php?option=com ... e&Itemid=1
Theo van der Storm

Re: ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

Post by Theo van der Storm »

http://csvn.nl/index.php

day 1 results:

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  # Name                   1    2    3   P    BU   SB     G
  1 Zappa Zanzibar       11w1 10b1  4w1  3.0   4.0  4.00  3
  2 Hiarcs-X              8w1  7b1  5w=  2.5   5.5  4.50  3
  3 The Baron             5w=  6b1  8w=  2.0   5.0  3.25  3
  4 Scorpio              13w1  9b1  1b0  2.0   5.0  2.00  3
  5 Rybka                 3b= 15w1  2b=  2.0   4.5  2.25  3
  6 Stoofvlees           bye1  3w0 12b1  2.0   4.5  1.75  2
  7 Deep Sjeng           14b1  2w0 11b1  2.0   4.0  1.50  3
  8 IsiChess MMX          2b0 14w1  3b=  1.5   5.5  2.00  3
  9 The King             12b1  4w0 10b=  1.5   4.5  1.75  3
 10 Glaurung             15b1  1w0  9w=  1.5   4.5  0.75  3
 11 XiniX                 1b0 bye1  7w0  1.0   5.5  0.25  2
 12 Hermann               9w0 13b1  6w0  1.0   3.5  0.50  3
 13 Crash Test Dummy      4b0 12w0 bye1  1.0   3.5  0.25  2
 14 Joker                 7w0  8b0 15w1  1.0   3.5  0.00  3
 15 Micro-Max            10w0  5b0 14b0  0.0   4.5  0.00  3


  # Name                 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15   P    BU   SB     G
  1 Zappa Zanzibar       X  .  .  1  .  .  .  .  .  1  1  .  .  .  .   3.0   4.0  4.00  3
  2 Hiarcs-X             .  X  .  .  ½  .  1  1  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   2.5   5.5  4.50  3
  3 The Baron            .  .  X  .  ½  1  .  ½  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   2.0   5.0  3.25  3
  4 Scorpio              0  .  .  X  .  .  .  .  1  .  .  .  1  .  .   2.0   5.0  2.00  3
  5 Rybka                .  ½  ½  .  X  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  1   2.0   4.5  2.25  3
  6 Stoofvlees           .  .  0  .  .  X  .  .  .  .  .  1  .  .  .   2.0   4.5  1.75  2
  7 Deep Sjeng           .  0  .  .  .  .  X  .  .  .  1  .  .  1  .   2.0   4.0  1.50  3
  8 IsiChess MMX         .  0  ½  .  .  .  .  X  .  .  .  .  .  1  .   1.5   5.5  2.00  3
  9 The King             .  .  .  0  .  .  .  .  X  ½  .  1  .  .  .   1.5   4.5  1.75  3
 10 Glaurung             0  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  ½  X  .  .  .  .  1   1.5   4.5  0.75  3
 11 XiniX                0  .  .  .  .  .  0  .  .  .  X  .  .  .  .   1.0   5.5  0.25  2
 12 Hermann              .  .  .  .  .  0  .  .  0  .  .  X  1  .  .   1.0   3.5  0.50  3
 13 Crash Test Dummy     .  .  .  0  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  0  X  .  .   1.0   3.5  0.25  2
 14 Joker                .  .  .  .  .  .  0  0  .  .  .  .  .  X  1   1.0   3.5  0.00  3
 15 Micro-Max            .  .  .  .  0  .  .  .  .  0  .  .  .  0  X   0.0   4.5  0.00  3
Tony Thomas

Re: ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

Post by Tony Thomas »

Wael, look at the results, Baron was able to draw Rybka.
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Re: ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

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Tony Thomas wrote:Wael, look at the results, Baron was able to draw Rybka.
only by cutting it's connection to the internet so rybka had to use slower hardware and could not use tablebases in the endgame.

Rybka blundered by 69...a3 when 69...Kg2 is better.
Tony Thomas

Re: ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

Post by Tony Thomas »

Uri Blass wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:Wael, look at the results, Baron was able to draw Rybka.
only by cutting it's connection to the internet so rybka had to use slower hardware and could not use tablebases in the endgame.

Rybka blundered by 69...a3 when 69...Kg2 is better.
If the same had happened to Baron, you would have said something else.
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Re: ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

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Tony Thomas wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:Wael, look at the results, Baron was able to draw Rybka.
only by cutting it's connection to the internet so rybka had to use slower hardware and could not use tablebases in the endgame.

Rybka blundered by 69...a3 when 69...Kg2 is better.
If the same had happened to Baron, you would have said something else.
I do not know what I world say in different case.
This is not that I am against the baron but simply that it is important to mention the bad luck of rybka that helped the baron.

Here is some analysis by rybka2.3.1 without tablebases.

The Baron - Rybka, ICT7 Leiden, NED 2007
8/5R2/6p1/7p/p6P/6Pk/4KP2/1r6 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 2.3.1 32-bit :

69...a4-a3
µ (-1.35) Depth: 2 00:00:00
69...a4-a3
µ (-1.17) Depth: 3 00:00:00
69...a4-a3
-+ (-1.49) Depth: 4 00:00:00
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7
-+ (-1.86) Depth: 5 00:00:00
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3
-+ (-1.90) Depth: 6 00:00:00 2kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3
-+ (-1.86) Depth: 7 00:00:00 3kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Kh3-h2
-+ (-1.84) Depth: 8 00:00:00 4kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Kh3-h2 73.Ra7-a6
-+ (-1.86) Depth: 9 00:00:00 6kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Kh3-h2 73.Ra7-a6 Kh2-g1
-+ (-1.92) Depth: 10 00:00:01 10kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Kh3-h2 73.Ra7-a4 Kh2-g1 74.Kf3-e3
-+ (-1.95) Depth: 11 00:00:01 17kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Kh3-h2 73.Ra7-a4 Kh2-g1 74.Kf3-e3 Rb2xf2
-+ (-2.00) Depth: 12 00:00:02 28kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Kh3-h2 73.g3-g4 h5xg4+ 74.Kf3xg4 Rb2xf2 75.Ra7-a8 Kh2-g1 76.Kg4-g5
-+ (-1.97) Depth: 13 00:00:02 46kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Kh3-h2 73.g3-g4 h5xg4+ 74.Kf3xg4 Rb2xf2 75.Kg4-g5 Rf2-g2+ 76.Kg5-f6
-+ (-1.87) Depth: 14 00:00:03 67kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Rb2-d2 73.Kf3-e3 Rd2-c2 74.Ke3-f3 Rc2-b2 75.Ra7-a6 Kh3-h2 76.Ra6-a7
-+ (-1.86) Depth: 15 00:00:04 102kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Rb2-d2 73.Kf3-e3 Rd2-c2 74.Ke3-f3 Rc2-b2 75.Ra7-a4 Kh3-h2 76.Kf3-e3
-+ (-1.88) Depth: 16 00:00:04 180kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3
-+ (-1.83) Depth: 17 00:00:05 244kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Rb2-d2 73.Kf3-e3 Rd2-c2 74.Ke3-f3 Rc2-b2 75.Ra7-a4 Kh3-h2 76.Kf3-e3
-+ (-1.86) Depth: 18 00:00:06 394kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Rb2-d2 73.Kf3-e3 Rd2-c2 74.Ke3-f3 Rc2-b2 75.Ra7-a4 Kh3-h2 76.Ra4-a7
-+ (-2.03) Depth: 19 00:00:08 815kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3 Rb2-d2 73.Kf3-e3 Rd2-c2 74.Ke3-f3
-+ (-2.01) Depth: 20 00:00:10 1118kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 a3-a2 72.Ke3-f3
-+ (-1.94) Depth: 21 00:00:16 1630kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-f3 a3-a2 72.Ra7-a6 Kh3-h2 73.g3-g4 h5xg4+ 74.Kf3xg4 Rb2xf2 75.Kg4-g5 Rf2-g2+ 76.Kg5-f6
-+ (-1.69) Depth: 22 00:00:49 4137kN
69...a4-a3 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-f3 a3-a2 72.Ra7-a6 Kh3-h2 73.g3-g4 Kh2-g1 74.g4xh5 g6xh5 75.Kf3-e3
-+ (-1.65) Depth: 23 00:01:57 9758kN
69...Kh3-g2 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 Rb2xf2 72.Ra7xa4
-+ (-2.10) Depth: 23 00:08:52 62505kN
69...Kh3-g2 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 Rb2xf2 72.Ra7xa4
-+ (-2.22) Depth: 24 00:14:35 107605kN
69...Kh3-g2 70.Rf7-a7 Rb1-b2+ 71.Ke2-e3 Rb2xf2 72.Ra7xa4
-+ (-2.23) Depth: 25 00:22:12 166769kN

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Re: ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

Post by M ANSARI »

Yes, Vas confirmed that the draw with Baron was due to lack of Tablebases. It was apparently giving problems with the GUI ... but that now TB would be "hardwired in".
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Re: ICT Leiden: Third round 2 games on Playchess

Post by Erik Roggenburg »

Stuff like this happens in short tournaments and single games, so that's why they play 'em even though one of the engines is clearly the strongest!

Technical difficulties, bugs, operator error, etc.