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Another hard test position

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[d] r1b2rk1/q4ppp/p2Qpb2/1p4P1/4P2P/2N2P2/PPP5/2KR1B1R b - - 0 15 bm 15...Be7!

Rybka is pretty fast here. Other programs I have tried like 15...Bxc3? (which they often believe gives Black an advantage) and stick with it for a very long time. However White is much better, maybe even winning, after 15...Bxc3?
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Re: Another hard test position

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Robin as far as I can see this is Rybka Beta's main line if Black plays 15. ...Bxc3, or 1. ... Bxc3 starting from the diagram position:

1...Bxc3 2.bxc3 Qe3+ 3.Kb2 Qxf3 4.Bd3 Qh5 5.Qe7 e5 6.Qxe5

[d]r1b2rk1/5ppp/p7/1p2Q1Pq/4P2P/2PB4/PKP5/3R3R b - -

Now Rybka has a good eval for White and the position looks optically good also but would it be possible to stop most of the attack by exchanging Queens as Toga is suggesting? Or could White avoid an exchange?


Is Rybka the only engine that sees a possibly dangerous attack by White here with both pawnpush e4-e5 possible or the h and g-pawns backed by Rooks threatening Black's King position? Can Black organize some counterplay or are the other engines out of their reckoning?


These are the evals of Toga, Rybka Beta and Shredder added later with only 16 Mb hash:


r1b2rk1/5ppp/p7/1p2Q1Pq/4P2P/2PB4/PKP5/3R3R b - -

Engine: Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit (256 MB)
gemaakt door Vasik Rajlich

16.03 10:47 -0.58 6...Le6 7.Df4 Tad8 8.Thg1 Lc8 9.e5 Lb7
10.Td2 Df3 11.Dxf3 (20.483.649) 32

17.01 20:04 -0.81 6...Le6 7.Df4 Dg4 8.De3 Dh5 9.Thg1 Lc4
10.e5 Lxd3 11.cxd3 (36.732.951) 31

17.15 32:36 -0.80 6...Lb7 7.Dc7 Lc8 8.Df4 Lb7 9.Thf1 Tac8
10.Td2 Dg6 11.e5 (57.264.598) 29


r1b2rk1/5ppp/p7/1p2Q1Pq/4P2P/2PB4/PKP5/3R3R b - -

Engine: Toga 1.3 "Checkov" 2d (256 MB)
gemaakt door Thomas Gaksch and Fabien Letouzey


18/56 9:37 -0.17 6...Le6 7.Df4 Dg4 8.Dxg4 Lxg4 9.Td2 Tfe8
10.Tf1 Tad8 11.e5 Le6 12.Tfd1 Kf8
13.Le4 Txd2 14.Txd2 Lc4 15.Td7 Txe5
16.Lxh7 (140.148.350) 242

19/56 18:36 -0.18 6...Le6 7.Df4 Dg4 8.Dxg4 Lxg4 9.Td2 Tfe8
10.Tg1 Lf3 11.Te1 Te5 12.c4 Td8
13.cxb5 axb5 14.Kc3 Kf8 15.Tb1 Lxe4
16.Txb5 Tc8+ 17.Kb2 (271.046.547) 242

20/61 42:27 -0.19 6...Le6 7.Df4 Dg4 8.Dxg4 Lxg4 9.Td2 Tfe8
10.Tg1 Lf3 11.Te1 Tac8 12.Te3 Lg4
13.Le2 Lxe2 14.Texe2 Kf8 15.Td7 Tcd8
16.Td4 Ke7 17.Tf2 (605.438.169) 237


r1b2rk1/5ppp/p7/1p2Q1Pq/4P2P/2PB4/PKP5/3R3R b - -

Engine: Shredder 9 UCI (16 MB)
gemaakt door Stefan Meyer-Kahlen


19/47 24:23 0.00 6...Ld7 7.Td2 Tac8 8.Le2 Lg4 9.Lxg4 Dxg4
10.Df5 Dh5 11.Thd1 Tb8 12.Td7 b4
13.c4 Dxh4 14.c5 Tbe8 (219.873.729) 150

19/47 27:28 +0.01++ 6...Lb7 (248.292.647) 150

19/47 28:10 +0.01 6...Lb7 7.Dc7 Tab8 8.Thf1 La8 9.Kb1 Dxh4 (254.588.314) 150

20/42 41:43 -0.06 6...Lb7 7.Dc7 Lc8 8.Td2 Le6 9.Df4 (378.776.199) 151


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Re: Another hard test position

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Follow up testposition, Rybka playing White avoids exchanging Queens but is still Rybka the only one seeing a possibly dangerous attack? What surprises me the most that it is usually not Rybka being very bothered with one of the Kings under attack. What makes this position, starting with Robin's position, different?


1...Bxc3 2.bxc3 Qe3+ 3.Kb2 Qxf3 4.Bd3 Qh5 5.Qe7 e5 6.Qxe5 Be6 (Toga's choice) 7.Qf4 Qg4 8.Qe3 (Rybka avoids the exchange) Qh5

[d]r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -


r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -

Engine: Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit (256 MB)
gemaakt door Vasik Rajlich


16.01 3:39 +1.07 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Lxd3 11.Dxd3 Tae8
12.De4 Dg6 13.Tge1 Te6 (7.255.077) 33

17.01 6:47 +0.95 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Lxd3
12.cxd3 a5 13.De4 b4 (13.072.961) 32

18.01 12:19 +0.98 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Lxd3
12.cxd3 a5 13.De4 b4 (22.793.842) 31

19.01 26:28 +0.99 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Lxd3
12.cxd3 Dg6 13.Tgf1 Tbc8 (46.799.858) 30


r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -

Engine: Toga 1.3 "Checkov" 2d (256 MB)
gemaakt door Thomas Gaksch and Fabien Letouzey


18/52 5:13 +0.48 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tad8 11.Lxc4 bxc4
12.Txd8 Txd8 13.De4 Dg6 14.Dxg6 hxg6
15.Tg4 Tc8 16.Td4 Kf8 17.Td6 Te8
18.Txa6 Txe5 19.Ta8+ Ke7 20.Ta7+ Ke6 (77.634.549) 247

19/58 17:11 +0.45 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Tbd8
12.Dg4 Dxg4 13.Txg4 Tfe8 14.Td4 Tc8
15.Te1 Tc5 16.Td6 a5 17.Tb6 a4
18.Lxc4 Txc4 19.Txb5 Txh4 (253.555.805) 245

20/58 29:52 +0.58 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Tbd8
12.Dg4 Dxg4 13.Txg4 Le6 14.Td4 Tc8
15.Le4 Tc5 16.Te1 Te8 17.Td6 Lh3
18.Ld5 Lf5 19.Td1 (441.693.538) 246


r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -

Engine: Shredder 9 UCI (16 MB)
gemaakt door Stefan Meyer-Kahlen


17/43 7:16 -0.01 9.Df4 a5 10.Td2 Lc4 11.Lxc4 bxc4
12.Td7 a4 13.Thd1 De2 (69.423.517) 158

17/43 8:21 0.00++ 9.Td2 (79.465.274) 158

17/43 9:15 0.00 9.Td2 Tab8 (88.742.994) 159

18/45 12:35 0.00 9.Td2 Tab8 10.Df4 Lc4 11.Lxc4 bxc4+
12.Ka1 a5 13.Td7 Tbe8 (119.423.726) 158

18/47 17:31 +0.01++ 9.e5 (164.834.593) 156

18/47 26:41 +0.01 9.e5 Tac8 (253.708.489) 158

(All engines running in parallel so not very fast, on 33% of 2009 MHz Athlon.)

Does Rybka have a different King Safety evaluation for the White King? Asymmetric from Black's King who is really under attack here? Or is it really a simpler King Safety in Rybka's case and other positional factors contribute therefore more to the +0.99? Any guesses, do I judge the position wrong?

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Re: Another hard test position

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smirobth wrote:[d] r1b2rk1/q4ppp/p2Qpb2/1p4P1/4P2P/2N2P2/PPP5/2KR1B1R b - - 0 15 bm 15...Be7!

Rybka is pretty fast here. Other programs I have tried like 15...Bxc3? (which they often believe gives Black an advantage) and stick with it for a very long time. However White is much better, maybe even winning, after 15...Bxc3?
New game
r1b2rk1/q4ppp/p2Qpb2/1p4P1/4P2P/2N2P2/PPP5/2KR1B1R b - - 0 1

Analysis by Naum 2.1:

1...Qa7-e3+ 2.Kc1-b1 Bf6xc3 3.b2xc3 Qe3xc3
³ (-0.29) Depth: 1/12 00:00:05
1...Qa7-e3+ 2.Kc1-b1 Bf6xc3 3.b2xc3 Qe3xc3
³ (-0.29) Depth: 2/12 00:00:06
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3
= (-0.08) Depth: 3/12 00:00:06
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-f2 3.Kc1-b1 Qf2xf3
= (0.16) Depth: 4/13 00:00:06
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7
= (-0.22) Depth: 5/15 00:00:06
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.e4-e5
= (0.04) Depth: 6/16 00:00:06 20kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rh1-f1 Qf3-e3
= (0.24) Depth: 7/22 00:00:06 50kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rh1-f1 Qf3-g4 6.Qd6-f4
= (-0.03) Depth: 8/21 00:00:06 96kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rh1-f1 Qf3-g4 6.Qd6-f4 Qg4-g2
= (-0.12) Depth: 9/25 00:00:06 162kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rd1-f1 Qf3-e3 6.g5-g6 h7xg6 7.Rf1-f4
= (0.14) Depth: 10/33 00:00:06 302kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rd1-f1 Qf3-e3 6.g5-g6 h7xg6 7.h4-h5 Ra8-d8
= (-0.02) Depth: 11/27 00:00:07 646kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b2 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rd1-f1 Qf3-e3 6.Qd6-d7 Ra8-a7 7.Qd7-d4 Qe3xd4 8.c3xd4 Rf8-c8
= (-0.01) Depth: 12/33 00:00:07 1314kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b1 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rd1-f1 Qf3-e3 6.Rf1-e1 Qe3-f2 7.Qd6-d7 Qf2-b6 8.Rh1-f1 Ra8-d8
= (-0.03) Depth: 13/35 00:00:07 3499kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b1 Qe3xc3 4.Qd6-e7 Bc8-b7 5.Qe7xb7 Ra8-c8 6.Bf1-d3 Qc3-b4+ 7.Kb1-a1 Qb4-c3+ 8.Ka1-b1
= (0.00) Depth: 14/41 00:00:09 9445kN
1...Bf6xc3 2.b2xc3 Qa7-e3+ 3.Kc1-b1 Qe3xf3 4.Bf1-d3 Bc8-b7 5.Rd1-f1 Qf3-e3 6.Qd6-e7 Ra8-a7 7.Qe7-d6 Rf8-a8 8.g5-g6 h7xg6 9.h4-h5 Bb7xe4 10.Bd3xe4 Qe3xe4 11.h5xg6 Qe4xg6
= (-0.13) Depth: 15/43 00:00:24 20913kN
1...Bf6-e7 2.Qd6-e5 b5-b4 3.Nc3-e2 Qa7-e3+ 4.Kc1-b1 Qe3xf3 5.Rh1-h3 Qf3-f2 6.Qe5-d4 Qf2xd4 7.Ne2xd4 Bc8-b7 8.e4-e5 Ra8-c8 9.Bf1-e2 Rf8-d8 10.Kb1-a1 = (-0.11) Depth: 16/45 00:01:58 147mN
1...Bf6-e7 2.Qd6-e5 b5-b4 3.Nc3-e2 Qa7-e3+ 4.Kc1-b1 Qe3xf3 5.Rh1-h3 Qf3-f2 6.Qe5-d4 Qf2xd4 7.Ne2xd4 Bc8-b7 8.Bf1-g2 Rf8-d8 9.Rh3-d3 Ra8-c8 10.Kb1-a1 Rc8-c5
= (-0.10) Depth: 17/44 00:01:58 171mN
1...Bf6-e7 2.Qd6-e5 b5-b4 3.Nc3-e2 Qa7-e3+ 4.Kc1-b1 Qe3xf3 5.Rh1-h3 Qf3-f2 6.Qe5-d4 Qf2xd4 7.Ne2xd4 Bc8-b7 8.Bf1-g2 Rf8-d8 9.Rh3-d3 Ra8-c8 10.Kb1-a1 Rc8-c5 11.Bg2-f3
= (-0.09) Depth: 18/47 00:02:14 222mN
1...Bf6-e7 2.Qd6-e5 Rf8-d8 3.Kc1-b1 Rd8xd1+ 4.Nc3xd1 Bc8-b7 5.Bf1-d3 Ra8-c8 6.Qe5-g3 Qa7-c5 7.Qg3-f2 Qc5-c7 8.Nd1-e3 Qc7-f4 9.Ne3-g2 Qf4-c7 10.Ng2-e3
= (0.00) Depth: 19/51 00:08:16 804mN
1...Bf6-e7 2.Qd6-e5 b5-b4 3.Nc3-e2 a6-a5 4.Kc1-b1 a5-a4 5.Ne2-c1 Qa7-b6 6.Qe5-d4 Be7-c5 7.Qd4-e5 Bc5-e7
= (0.00) Depth: 20/53 00:14:56 1474mN
1...Bf6-e7 2.Qd6-e5 b5-b4 3.Nc3-e2 a6-a5 4.Kc1-b1 a5-a4 5.Ne2-c1 Qa7-b6 6.Bf1-c4 Ra8-a5 7.Qe5-h2 Qb6-c6 8.Rd1-d4 Be7-c5 9.Rd4-d1 Bc5-e7
= (0.00) Depth: 21/54 00:21:02 2084mN

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Re: Another hard test position

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Eelco de Groot wrote:Robin as far as I can see this is Rybka Beta's main line if Black plays 15. ...Bxc3, or 1. ... Bxc3 starting from the diagram position:

1...Bxc3 2.bxc3 Qe3+ 3.Kb2 Qxf3 4.Bd3 Qh5 5.Qe7 e5 6.Qxe5

Now Rybka has a good eval for White and the position looks optically good also but would it be possible to stop most of the attack by exchanging Queens as Toga is suggesting? Or could White avoid an exchange?

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White can and should avoid the exchange of queens. The reason White's position is so strong in the line you give, which most engines want to follow, is that Black's queen ends up doing the menial job of blockading White's h-pawn. It can jump out briefly to threaten the queen exchange, but has to hop right back to h5 if White avoids the trade. Blockading a pawn is a terrible waste of a queens power and this frees White to press his advantage in other ways. I don't know why Rybka is so much faster seeing this than other engines.
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Re: Another hard test position

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PauloSoare wrote: Analysis by Naum 2.1:

1...Bf6-e7 2.Qd6-e5 b5-b4 3.Nc3-e2 Qa7-e3+ 4.Kc1-b1 Qe3xf3 5.Rh1-h3 Qf3-f2 6.Qe5-d4 Qf2xd4 7.Ne2xd4 Bc8-b7 8.e4-e5 Ra8-c8 9.Bf1-e2 Rf8-d8 10.Kb1-a1 [/b] = (-0.11) Depth: 16/45 00:01:58 147mN
Impressive!
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Re: Another hard test position

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smirobth wrote:
Eelco de Groot wrote:Robin as far as I can see this is Rybka Beta's main line if Black plays 15. ...Bxc3, or 1. ... Bxc3 starting from the diagram position:

1...Bxc3 2.bxc3 Qe3+ 3.Kb2 Qxf3 4.Bd3 Qh5 5.Qe7 e5 6.Qxe5

Now Rybka has a good eval for White and the position looks optically good also but would it be possible to stop most of the attack by exchanging Queens as Toga is suggesting? Or could White avoid an exchange?

Eelco
White can and should avoid the exchange of queens. The reason White's position is so strong in the line you give, which most engines want to follow, is that Black's queen ends up doing the menial job of blockading White's h-pawn. It can jump out briefly to threaten the queen exchange, but has to hop right back to h5 if White avoids the trade. Blockading a pawn is a terrible waste of a queens power and this frees White to press his advantage in other ways. I don't know why Rybka is so much faster seeing this than other engines.
Thanks very much for your explanations Robin! I hope I understand your test positions a little bit better now and maybe some programmers can also benefit from your good analysis. I think they also show that Rybka can be tactically strong as well as positionally, in maybe especially the late middlegames.

If I had to make some guess, Rybka seems to know in this position more about the "overloading" of pieces, to borrow a term from Nimzovich. What I mean is, a program could think Black can counterattack with the pawns on a6 and b5, the White King seems exposed, but Black does not have enough firepower to support the pawns with the Rook on a8 and f8 and Bf6 needed to defend the own King position, and the Queen as you explained doing nearly nothing but stopping one of the pawns but unable to take it. White controls the center with several pieces and an important pawn e4, it would be different if Black still also had a defendable pawn on e5. White does not want to trade down Queens and Rybka seems to understand that much better. Bruce Moreland once wrote that calculating mobility for Queens is usually not worth the effort because the Queen is so good at getting to every square on the board if needed, I believe he did not implement it in Ferret, but here it might have made a difference if you could figure out soon enough, by calculating the "effective mobility" or something else in that vein, that Black's Queen is not doing much there on h5 and would have been better off defending pawn e5 while it still could (in the starting position).

I think it would be interesting to watch what other programs make of this!

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Re: Another hard test position

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Analysis of the position taken a bit deeper, especially Shredder with little hash sees better now White's advantage;
Eelco de Groot wrote:Follow up testposition, Rybka playing White avoids exchanging Queens but is still Rybka the only one seeing a possibly dangerous attack? What surprises me the most that it is usually not Rybka being very bothered with one of the Kings under attack. What makes this position, starting with Robin's position, different?


1...Bxc3 2.bxc3 Qe3+ 3.Kb2 Qxf3 4.Bd3 Qh5 5.Qe7 e5 6.Qxe5 Be6 (Toga's choice) 7.Qf4 Qg4 8.Qe3 (Rybka avoids the exchange) Qh5

[d]r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -


r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -

Engine: Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit (256 MB)
gemaakt door Vasik Rajlich


16.01 3:39 +1.07 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Lxd3 11.Dxd3 Tae8
12.De4 Dg6 13.Tge1 Te6 (7.255.077) 33

17.01 6:47 +0.95 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Lxd3
12.cxd3 a5 13.De4 b4 (13.072.961) 32

18.01 12:19 +0.98 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Lxd3
12.cxd3 a5 13.De4 b4 (22.793.842) 31

19.01 26:28 +0.99 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Lxd3
12.cxd3 Dg6 13.Tgf1 Tbc8 (46.799.858) 30

20.01 68:12 +1.07 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Lxd3
12.cxd3 Dg6 (112.620.823) 28

21.01 141:40 +1.07 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 (233.391.895) 28


r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -

Engine: Toga 1.3 "Checkov" 2d (256 MB)
gemaakt door Thomas Gaksch and Fabien Letouzey


18/52 5:13 +0.48 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tad8 11.Lxc4 bxc4
12.Txd8 Txd8 13.De4 Dg6 14.Dxg6 hxg6
15.Tg4 Tc8 16.Td4 Kf8 17.Td6 Te8
18.Txa6 Txe5 19.Ta8+ Ke7 20.Ta7+ Ke6 (77.634.549) 247

19/58 17:11 +0.45 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Tbd8
12.Dg4 Dxg4 13.Txg4 Tfe8 14.Td4 Tc8
15.Te1 Tc5 16.Td6 a5 17.Tb6 a4
18.Lxc4 Txc4 19.Txb5 Txh4 (253.555.805) 245

20/58 29:52 +0.58 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Tbd8
12.Dg4 Dxg4 13.Txg4 Le6 14.Td4 Tc8
15.Le4 Tc5 16.Te1 Te8 17.Td6 Lh3
18.Ld5 Lf5 19.Td1 (441.693.538) 246

21/59 68:06 +0.60 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Tbd8
12.Dg4 Dxg4 13.Txg4 Tfe8 14.Td4 Tc8
15.Te1 g6 16.Td6 Te6 17.Te4 Tc5
18.Lxc4 bxc4 19.Txe6 fxe6 20.a4 Kg7 (1.001.688.909) 245

22/72 153:27 +0.66 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.Df4 Tfd8
12.Td2 a5 13.Tgd1 Lxd3 14.Txd3 Txd3
15.Txd3 Tf8 16.De4 Dg6 17.Dxg6 hxg6
18.Td1 Te8 19.Td5 Tb8 20.Kb3 Tb7
21.Td8+ Kh7 22.Td1 (2.267.155.359) 246


r4rk1/5ppp/p3b3/1p4Pq/4P2P/2PBQ3/PKP5/3R3R w - -

Engine: Shredder 9 UCI (16 MB)
gemaakt door Stefan Meyer-Kahlen


17/43 7:16 -0.01 9.Df4 a5 10.Td2 Lc4 11.Lxc4 bxc4
12.Td7 a4 13.Thd1 De2 (69.423.517) 158

17/43 8:21 0.00++ 9.Td2 (79.465.274) 158

17/43 9:15 0.00 9.Td2 Tab8 (88.742.994) 159

18/45 12:35 0.00 9.Td2 Tab8 10.Df4 Lc4 11.Lxc4 bxc4+
12.Ka1 a5 13.Td7 Tbe8 (119.423.726) 158

18/47 17:31 +0.01++ 9.e5 (164.834.593) 156

18/47 26:41 +0.01 9.e5 Tac8 (253.708.489) 158

19/50 52:03 +0.16 9.e5 Tad8 10.Td2 Dg4 (495.546.763) 158

19/50 62:21 +0.17++ 9.Thg1 (588.703.040) 157

19/50 70:53 +0.47 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tac8 11.Lxc4 bxc4
12.De4 Tc7 13.Ka1 (666.889.606) 156

20/48 92:14 +0.62 9.Thg1 Lg4 10.Td2 Tae8 11.Df4 Lc8
12.e5 Te7 13.Le2 Dg6 14.Td6 (874.152.945) 157

21/51 128:28 +0.75 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tad8 11.Lxc4 bxc4 (1.220.952.330) 158

22/49 178:01 +0.67 9.Thg1 Lc4 10.e5 Tab8 11.De4 Le6
12.Le2 Dg6 13.Dxg6 hxg6 14.Td6 Lf5
15.Txa6 (1.687.587.709) 157


(All engines running in parallel so not very fast, on 33% of 2009 MHz Athlon.)

Does Rybka have a different King Safety evaluation for the White King? Asymmetric from Black's King who is really under attack here? Or is it really a simpler King Safety in Rybka's case and other positional factors contribute therefore more to the +0.99? Any guesses, do I judge the position wrong?

Eelco
Dann Corbit
Posts: 12778
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:57 pm
Location: Redmond, WA USA

Re: Another hard test position

Post by Dann Corbit »

My findings are the same as yours:

Code: Select all

Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: 180 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Rybka v1.2.w32

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (Rybka v1.2.w32): Bf6-e7
    identical moves! Found in: 02:23
      2	00:00	         128	829	-0.06	Bf6xc3
      3	00:00	         256	1.659	-0.13	Bf6xc3
      4	00:00	         568	3.077	-0.05	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2
      5	00:00	       1.224	5.697	-0.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3
      6	00:00	       3.472	14.164	-0.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3
      7	00:01	       6.912	18.824	-0.05	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7
      8	00:01	      15.136	24.142	+0.01	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1
      9	00:01	      27.048	36.880	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g4
     10	00:01	      49.208	48.081	-0.04	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6d4
     11	00:02	      99.792	66.012	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Rf1e1 Qe3a7
     12	00:02	     192.096	83.314	-0.04	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Rf1e1
     13	00:05	     425.552	93.874	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Rf1e1 Qe3f2 Re1e2
     14	00:08	     753.120	104.328	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Rf1e1 Qe3f2 Re1e2
     15	00:12	   1.343.400	112.141	-0.03	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Rf1e1 Qe3f2 Re1e2
     16	01:06	   6.819.816	106.085	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Rf1e1 Qe3f2 Re1f1
     17	01:23	   8.922.272	109.930	-0.09	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Qc7e5 Rf8c8 Qe5d4
     17	02:23	  15.146.392	108.923	-0.06	Bf6e7 Qd6g3 b5b4 Nc3a4 Ra8b8 b2b3 Bc8d7 Na4b2 Rf8d8 Nb2c4 Bd7c6 Bf1e2 Be7c5 Kc1b1
   6/4/2007 1:23:43 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:01, Rated time: 02:23

1 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:23:44 PM, Total time: 12:03:07 AM
Rated time: 02:23 = 143 Seconds

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Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Shredder9UCI

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (Shredder9UCI): Bf6xc3
    Not found in: 03:00
     2/5+	00:01	         115	96	+1.25	Bf6xc3
     2/5	00:01	         195	164	+1.28	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2
     3/6	00:01	         565	475	+1.28	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3
     4/8-	00:01	       1.208	1.017	+1.03	Bf6xc3 b2xc3
     4/8	00:01	       1.660	1.379	+0.91	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3
     5/10+	00:01	       2.840	2.360	+1.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3
     5/10	00:01	       3.820	3.175	+1.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3
     6/18	00:01	      18.963	15.367	+0.97	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Bc8b7 Qd6d4
     7/19	00:01	      35.193	27.820	+0.96	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Qf3g4 Qd6f4 Qg4g2
     8/17	00:01	      90.748	65.998	+0.81	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7f2 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Qf2xh4 Qd6c7 Ra8b8 f3f4
     9/22	00:01	     199.169	125.027	+1.05	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3
    10/23	00:02	     497.182	228.905	+0.91	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7f2 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Qf2xh4 Qd6c7 Ra8b8 f3f4 Rf8d8 Bd3xb5
    11/21	00:02	     690.966	271.286	+0.84	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7f2 Kc1b1 Qf2xf3
    12/26	00:04	   1.325.005	348.961	+1.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g4 Qd6f4 Qg4h5
    13/27-	00:05	   1.909.123	383.050	+0.83	Bf6xc3 b2xc3
    13/27	00:06	   2.333.431	404.758	+0.82	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Qf3g4 Qd6f4 Qg4xf4 Rf1xf4 Ra8c8
    14/30	00:09	   4.126.098	449.123	+0.85	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7
    15/33	00:17	   8.131.959	476.165	+0.79	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Rf1e1 Qe3a7 Qd6d4 Rf8c8 Qd4xa7 Ra8xa7 Rh1f1 Rc8xc3 Re1d1 Ra7a8
    16/35	00:26	  12.664.895	488.878	+0.84	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Qf3h5 Qd6c7 Ra8b8 Rd1d2 Rf8c8 Qc7f4 e6e5 Qf4xe5 Qh5xh4 Rd2f2 Rc8e8
    17/38	00:51	  25.321.474	495.285	+0.63	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Qf3g4 Qd6f4 Qg4h5 Rd1d2 Ra8c8 Bd3e2 Qh5g6 e4e5 Bb7e4 h4h5 Qg6f5 Qf4xf5 e6xf5 Rd2d7
    18/43	01:53	  56.220.484	497.803	+0.60	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Qf3h5 Rd1d2 e6e5 Qd6xe5 Bc8g4 Rd2f2 Rf8e8 Qe5f4
   6/4/2007 1:26:56 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:26:58 PM, Total time: 12:06:20 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Fruit2.2.1

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (Fruit2.2.1): Bf6xc3
    Not found in: 03:00
     2/9	00:00	         304	0	 0.00	Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3
     3/11	00:00	       1.190	0	+0.03	Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qe3xf3
     4/11	00:00	       3.900	0	-0.59	Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xd2+ Rd1xd2 Bf6xc3 b2xc3 e6e5 Kc1b2
     4/13	00:00	       5.392	0	+0.27	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3
     5/13	00:00	       9.187	0	+0.27	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7
     6/15	00:00	      19.037	0	+0.20	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 e4e5
     7/17	00:00	      43.079	0	+0.26	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Ra8d8 Rf1xf3 Rd8xd6
     8/21	00:00	      97.066	0	+0.17	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Rf1f4
     9/21	00:00	     222.706	0	+0.18	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g2 Rh1h2 Ra8d8
    10/25	00:01	     404.306	0	+0.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6d4 Qe3d2 Rf1f2
    11/27	00:01	     936.896	780.000	+0.05	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g4 Rf1f4 Qg4g2 Rh1f1 Ra8d8
    12/29	00:02	   1.735.098	790.000	+0.29	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g4 Rf1f4 Qg4g2 Rh1d1 Ra8d8 Qd6c7
    13/33	00:05	   4.154.367	792.000	+0.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g4 Rf1g1 Qg4h5 Qd6c7 Ra8b8 Rg1f1 Kg8h8
    14/35	00:11	   8.648.329	803.000	+0.04	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Qc7e5 Rf8a8 Qe5d4 Qe3d2 Kb1a1
    15/37	00:20	  15.773.471	806.316	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Qc7e5 Rf8d8 Qe5c7 Rd8f8
    16/41	00:42	  33.812.430	807.805	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Qc7e5 Rf8d8 Qe5c7 Rd8f8
    17/49	01:36	  77.184.273	805.594	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Qc7e5 Rf8d8 Qe5c7 Rd8f8
    18/49	02:51	 137.398.800	806.231	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Bb7c8 Qc7d6 Bc8b7
   6/4/2007 1:30:08 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:01, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:30:09 PM, Total time: 12:09:32 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: ChessTiger2007UCI

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (ChessTiger2007UCI): Bf6xc3
    Not found in: 03:00
      2	00:03	         131	0	+1.18	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3
      3	00:03	         369	36.900	+0.58	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3
      4	00:03	         622	62.200	+0.58	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3
      5	00:03	       1.536	153.600	+0.96	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3
      6	00:03	       4.179	417.900	+0.96	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3
      7	00:03	       5.721	572.100	+0.96	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3
      8	00:03	       9.911	330.367	+0.94	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 e4e5 Ra8a7
      9	00:03	      16.279	542.633	+0.94	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 e4e5 Ra8a7
     10	00:03	      30.053	500.883	+0.92	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 e4e5 Ra8a7 Qd2d4 Ra7d7
     11	00:03	      56.698	629.978	+1.02	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 e4e5 Ra8a7 Qd2d4 Ra7d7
     12	00:03	     116.342	684.365	+0.88	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3c7 Rh3d3 Qc7c4 Rd3d8 Bc8b7
     13	00:03	     227.928	785.959	+0.98	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3c7 Rh3d3 Qc7a5 Rd3d8 Qa5a3+ Kc1b1 Rf8xd8 Qd2xd8+ Qa3f8 Qd8xf8+ Kg8xf8
     14	00:03	     437.946	782.046	+1.06	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3c7 e4e5 Bc8b7 Bg2xb7 Qc7xb7 Rh3d3 Qb7e4
     15	00:04	   1.063.580	830.922	+1.18	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 Qd2f2 Bc8b7 Rh3g3 Qg4h5 Rd1d7 Ra8b8
     16	00:04	   1.104.076	836.421	+1.18	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 Qd2f2 Bc8b7 Rh3g3 Qg4h5 Rd1d7 Ra8b8
     17	00:05	   2.027.037	834.172	+0.98	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Qd2d6 Qg4f4+ Kc1b1 Bc8b7 Bg2xb7 Rb8xb7 Qd6xa6 Qf4e4
     18	00:09	   5.712.572	859.033	+1.02	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Qd2d6 Qg4f4+ Rd1d2 Bc8b7 Qd6d4 Qf4g3 Rh1h3 Qg3e1+ Rd2d1 Qe1e2 Rd1d2 Qe2h5 Bg2xb7 Rb8xb7
     19	00:24	  18.558.071	861.563	+1.02	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Rh1h3 Qf3g4 Rh3g3 Qg4xh4 Bf1g2 e6e5 Qd6xe5 Qh4h5 Bg2f3 Qh5g6 c3c4 b5xc4 Rd1d6 Bc8e6
     20	00:57	  47.408.038	871.632	+0.68	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Rh1h3 Qf3f2 Rh3h2 Qf2e3 Rh2e2 Qe3a7 h4h5 Bc8b7 h5h6 Qa7b8 h6xg7 Qb8xd6 Rd1xd6 Kg8xg7 Rd6d7
     21	01:31	  76.252.114	862.971	+0.68	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Rh1h3 Qf3f2 Rh3h2 Qf2e3 Rh2e2 Qe3a7 h4h5 Qa7b8 h5h6 Qb8xd6 Rd1xd6 Bc8b7 h6xg7 Kg8xg7 Rd6d7 Rf8b8
     22	02:23	 122.312.985	871.051	+0.78	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Rh1h3 Qf3f2 Rh3h2 Qf2e3 Rh2e2 Qe3a7 h4h5 Qa7b8 h5h6 Qb8xd6 Rd1xd6 Bc8b7 h6xg7 Kg8xg7 Rd6d7 Bb7c6 Rd7c7 Rf8c8
   6/4/2007 1:33:20 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:33:22 PM, Total time: 12:12:45 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Gandalf60

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (Gandalf60): Bf6xc3
    Not found in: 03:00
     6/19	00:01	      28.099	280.990	+0.48	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Bc8b7 Qd6d4 Qa7b8 Bf1g2 a6a5
     7/24	00:01	      68.298	341.490	+0.51	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Bc8b7 Qd6d4 Qa7b8 Bf1g2 Qb8f4+ Qd4d2 Qf4e5
     8/25	00:01	     150.359	375.897	+0.44	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Bc8b7 Qd6d4 Qa7b8 Qd4d6 Qb8c8 Qd6d7 Qc8b8
     9/31	00:02	     382.062	424.513	+0.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Bc8b7 Qd6d4 Qa7b8 Qd4d6 Qb8c8 Qd6d7 e6e5 Bf1h3
    10/33	00:03	   1.038.619	472.099	+0.25	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3c5 Kc1b1 Bc8b7 h4h5 Qc5c7 Bf1h3 Rf8d8 Qd2e3
    11/35	00:05	   2.046.535	511.633	+0.28	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3c5 Kc1b1 Bc8b7 h4h5 Ra8c8 h5h6 g7g6 Bf1g2 Qc5xc3 Qd2xc3 Rc8xc3
    12/36	00:09	   3.978.705	491.198	+0.22	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3c5 Kc1b1 Bc8b7 h4h5 Ra8c8 h5h6 g7g6 Bf1g2 a6a5 Bg2h3 Qc5xc3 Qd2xc3 Rc8xc3
    13/41	00:18	   8.957.735	514.812	+0.25	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3e5 Qd2d6 Qe5xd6 Rd1xd6 e6e5 Rh3d3 Bc8e6 a2a3
    14/43	00:37	  19.851.374	542.387	+0.44	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3e5 Qd2d6 Qe5xd6 Rd1xd6 e6e5 Rh3d3 Bc8e6 a2a3 Rf8c8
    15/46	01:02	  33.472.627	550.536	+0.38	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3e5 Qd2d6 Qe5xd6 Rd1xd6 e6e5 Rh3d3 Bc8e6 a2a3 Rf8c8 Kc1d2
    16/50	02:46	  91.373.296	552.104	+0.44	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3e5 Qd2d6 Qe5xd6 Rd1xd6 e6e5 Rh3d3 Bc8e6 a2a3 Rf8c8 Kc1d1 Kg8f8
   6/4/2007 1:36:32 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:36:33 PM, Total time: 12:15:55 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Hiarcs11.1UCI

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (Hiarcs11.1UCI): Bf6xc3
    Not found in: 03:00
    10/25	00:01	     194.001	309.905	+0.25	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g4 Qd6e5 Ra8c8 h4h5
    10/25	00:01	     258.055	311.284	+0.35	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3g4 Qd6e5 Ra8c8 h4h5 Rf8d8
    11/28	00:02	     569.992	301.264	+0.31	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3h5
    12/28	00:04	   1.119.689	303.521	+0.32	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3h5 Qd6e7 Bb7c6 Rf1f4 Ra8d8 Rh1f1 Rd8d7
    13/34	00:09	   2.531.700	301.680	+0.41	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 Bc8b7 Bg2xb7 Rb8xb7 Qd2d6 Qg4a4 Kc1b2
    14/34	00:20	   5.633.894	279.500	+0.38	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3h5 Rh1h2 Ra8b8 e4e5 Rb8d8 Qd6e7 Bb7f3 c3c4 Rf8e8
    15/37	00:36	  10.230.615	288.682	+0.27	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3h5 Rh1h2 Ra8c8 Qd6e7 Bb7c6 e4e5 Bc6f3 Qe7a3 h7h6 Rf1f2 Rc8a8
    16/37	01:08	  19.764.274	292.665	+0.25	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3h5 Rh1h2 Ra8c8 Qd6e7 Bb7c6 e4e5 Bc6f3 Qe7a3 h7h6 Rf1f2 Rc8a8 g5xh6
    17/41-	02:42	  45.059.170	278.624	 0.00	Bf6xc3
   6/4/2007 1:39:45 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:01, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:39:47 PM, Total time: 12:19:09 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Ktulu_75

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (Ktulu_75): Bf6xc3
    Not found in: 03:00
      6	00:00	      17.669	1.766.900	+0.42	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7
      7	00:00	      55.545	1.388.625	+0.36	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b1 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6d4 Qe3g3 Qd4d7
      8	00:00	     173.550	1.239.642	+0.64	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rh1f1 Qf3g4 Qd6f4 Qg4g2 Qf4e5 Ra8c8
      9	00:00	     528.673	1.174.828	+0.50	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6d4 Qe3g3 Qd4d7 Ra8b8 Kb2b1 Qg3e5
     10	00:01	     847.136	1.210.194	+0.32	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Rf1e1 Qe3f2 Re1f1 Qf2d2 Qd6c7 Ra8a7 Qc7e7
     11	00:01	   1.736.050	1.248.956	+0.34	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Qe3a7 Rh1h3 Ra8c8 Qc7e7 Qa7b6 Rh3f3 f7f5
     12	00:03	   4.140.443	1.247.121	+0.40	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Qe3a7 h4h5 Ra8c8 Qc7e7 Qa7a8 g5g6 Bb7xe4 g6xf7+ Kg8h8 Rh1g1 Qa8d5 Bd3xe4
     13	00:07	   8.284.552	1.230.988	+0.15	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Bc8b7 Rd1f1 Qf3e3 Qd6c7 Qe3a7 h4h5 Qa7b8 Qc7b6 Qb8c8 h5h6 g7g6 Kb2b1 Rf8d8 Qb6f2 Rd8d7 Qf2f6
     14	00:18	  21.416.619	1.195.123	+0.12	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Ra8a7 Rd1f1 Qf3h5 c3c4 b5xc4 Bd3xc4 Ra7b7+ Kb2c1 Rb7d7 Qd6e5 Rf8d8 Rf1f4 Bc8b7 Kc1b2
     15	00:59	  67.209.072	1.130.324	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Ra8a7 Rh1f1 Qf3h5 Rd1d2 Ra7d7 Qd6g3 Qh5g6 e4e5 Qg6h5 Bd3e2 Qh5g6 Be2d3
     16	01:57	 135.236.460	1.158.342	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3 Ra8a7 Rh1f1 Qf3h3 e4e5 g7g6 Rf1f4 Ra7d7 Qd6b6 Rf8e8 Rd1d2 Re8f8 Rd2d1
   6/4/2007 1:42:57 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:42:58 PM, Total time: 12:22:21 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from E:\be7.epd   
6/4/2007 1:20:37 PM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Spike1.2

1) Be7;                 
    Searching move: Bf6-e7
    Best move (Spike1.2): Bf6xc3
    Not found in: 03:00
      2	00:00	         555	37.000	-0.54	Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3
      2	00:00	         722	48.133	+0.23	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Rd1d2 Qe3xf3
      2	00:00	         906	60.400	+0.23	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Rd1d2 Qe3xf3
      3	00:00	       1.225	81.666	+0.23	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Rd1d2 Qe3xf3
      3	00:00	       1.630	108.666	+0.23	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Rd1d2 Qe3xf3
      4	00:00	       4.013	267.533	+0.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3
      4	00:00	       5.171	166.806	+0.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Kc1b2 Qe3xf3 Bf1d3
      5	00:00	       8.895	286.935	-0.09	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3
      5	00:00	      11.651	375.838	-0.09	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3
      6	00:00	      18.534	394.340	+0.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 h4h5
      6	00:00	      23.749	505.297	+0.16	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 h4h5
      7-	00:00	      31.152	502.451	-0.13	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 h4h5 Bc8b7
      7-	00:00	      50.397	646.115	-0.13	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 h4h5 Bc8b7
      7	00:01	      63.340	581.100	-0.30	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3c7
      7	00:01	      69.922	641.486	-0.30	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3c7
      8+	00:01	      85.706	685.648	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3c7
      8+	00:01	      85.706	685.648	 0.00	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3c7
      8	00:01	      97.628	697.342	+0.11	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 Rh3d3 Qg4xh4
      8	00:01	     108.172	693.410	+0.11	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 Rh3d3 Qg4xh4
      9	00:01	     153.624	756.768	-0.09	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Bc8b7 Bg2xb7 Qg4xh3 Bb7xa8 Rf8xa8
      9	00:01	     180.791	772.611	-0.09	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Bc8b7 Bg2xb7 Qg4xh3 Bb7xa8 Rf8xa8
     10	00:01	     291.792	778.112	-0.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Qd2d6 Bc8d7 Rh1f1 Qg4xg2 Qd6xd7
     10	00:01	     411.194	822.388	-0.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Qd2d6 Bc8d7 Rh1f1 Qg4xg2 Qd6xd7
     11	00:01	     654.560	838.104	+0.18	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8a7 Qd2f2 Ra7d7 Rd1xd7 Bc8xd7
     11	00:01	     747.926	840.366	+0.18	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8a7 Qd2f2 Ra7d7 Rd1xd7 Bc8xd7
     12	00:02	   1.152.027	847.701	+0.22	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 Bg2c6 b4xc3 Qd2xc3
     12	00:02	   1.356.424	859.584	+0.22	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 Bg2c6 b4xc3 Qd2xc3
     13	00:03	   2.430.580	854.634	+0.01	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 Qg4g3 Qd2d6 Bc8d7
     13	00:04	   3.115.168	866.769	+0.01	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 Qg4g3 Qd2d6 Bc8d7
     14+	00:06	   4.682.775	878.899	+0.31	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     14+	00:06	   4.682.775	878.899	+0.31	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     14	00:07	   5.480.176	879.078	+0.35	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     14	00:08	   6.387.872	886.834	+0.35	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     15-	00:11	   9.133.468	876.364	+0.05	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     15-	00:16	  14.109.496	882.671	+0.05	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     15	00:19	  16.067.503	887.217	+0.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 a6a5 Qd2d6 Bc8d7 Qd6xd7 Qg4xg2
     15	00:19	  16.067.531	887.218	+0.08	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 a6a5 Qd2d6 Bc8d7 Qd6xd7 Qg4xg2
     16	00:26	  23.134.446	888.692	+0.30	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 Bg2f3 Qg4c4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     16	00:29	  25.654.594	883.635	+0.30	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 b5b4 c3xb4 Rb8xb4 Bg2f3 Qg4c4 c2c3 Rb4b5
     17	00:46	  39.952.675	867.894	+0.20	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 Qg4g3 Qd2d6 Bc8d7 Qd6xd7 Qg3xg2 Rh1f1 Rb8c8
     17	00:53	  46.587.623	878.962	+0.20	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 Qg4g3 Qd2d6 Bc8d7 Qd6xd7 Qg3xg2 Rh1f1 Rb8c8
     18-	01:34	  81.369.604	870.654	-0.09	Bf6xc3 b2xc3 Qa7e3+ Qd6d2 Qe3xf3 Bf1g2 Qf3g3 Rh1h3 Qg3g4 e4e5 Ra8b8 Rh3h1 Qg4g3 Qd2d6 Bc8d7 Qd6xd7 Qg3xg2 Rh1f1 Rb8c8
   6/4/2007 1:46:12 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
6/4/2007 1:46:14 PM, Total time: 12:25:37 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds