[d] 6k1/8/8/1N3p2/6K1/6N1/8/8 w
I had this interesting position against me today. White could have won in 55 moves with Kf4! but foolishly just took the pawn instead which draws.
Two knights endgame
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Jack Lad
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Two knights endgame
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Dr.Wael Deeb
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Re: Two knights endgame
Can you mate the black king with two knights
The position is already draw no matter what you play....
The position is already draw no matter what you play....
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Patatov
Re: Two knights endgame
According Tablebase this is a win in 55 moves because the black pawn avoid the tricks based on pat.
So as you said Kf4 is correct but I'm not sure a human can play this perfectly
So as you said Kf4 is correct but I'm not sure a human can play this perfectly
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Terry McCracken
Re: Two knights endgame
No, you're wrong, White can win if the pawn remains on the board, as it prevents White from stalemating the Black King.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Can you mate the black king with two knights![]()
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The position is already draw no matter what you play....
This is well known. Well, among chessplayers.
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Terry McCracken
Re: Two knights endgame
This is an old theme. If your technique is good, you'll win.Patatov wrote:According Tablebase this is a win in 55 moves because the black pawn avoid the tricks based on pat.
So as you said Kf4 is correct but I'm not sure a human can play this perfectly
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Terry McCracken
Re: Two knights endgame
Can I ask you why you took the pawn?Jack Lad wrote:[d] 6k1/8/8/1N3p2/6K1/6N1/8/8 w
I had this interesting position against me today. White could have won in 55 moves with Kf4! but foolishly just took the pawn instead which draws.
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Jack Lad
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Re: Two knights endgame
I was black and I had just played f5+ hoping white would just take it which he foolishly did.Terry McCracken wrote:Can I ask you why you took the pawn?
[d] 1N6/8/p7/8/4kN2/8/K7/8 w
Here white can win in 155 moves with Ne2! which is the longest win possible with these pieces.
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Jack Lad
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Re: Two knights endgame
The Troitzky line. 
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Terry McCracken
Re: Two knights endgame
My mistake, I didn't read your post carefully. I re-read it, it's clear you were Black.Jack Lad wrote:I was black and I had just played f5+ hoping white would just take it which he foolishly did.Terry McCracken wrote:Can I ask you why you took the pawn?
[d] 1N6/8/p7/8/4kN2/8/K7/8 w
Here white can win in 155 moves with Ne2! which is the longest win possible with these pieces.
My this is a long one. I doubt I could be so exact
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bob
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Re: Two knights endgame
No it isn't... KNN vs KP is a win for the KNN in many positions. In the given position, Kf4 is a mate in 55 as follows:Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Can you mate the black king with two knights![]()
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The position is already draw no matter what you play....
1. Kf4! Kf7 2. Nd4! Ke7! 3. Ke5! f4! 4. Ngf5+! Kd7! 5. Nf3! Kc6!
6. Kd4! Kb5! 7. Ne7! Kb4 8. Nc6+! Kb5! 9. Kd5! Ka6 10. Ncd4! Kb7!
11. Nb5! Kb6! 12. Nd6! Kc7! 13. Nc4! Kd7! 14. Nb6+! Kc7! 15. Kc5!
Kb7! 16. Nd5! Ka6 17. Nc7+ Kb7! 18. Nb5! Kc8! 19. Kc6! Kd8! 20. Nbd4!
Ke7! 21. Kc7! Kf7! 22. Kd6! Ke8! 23. Nc6! Kf8! 24. Ke5 Kf7! 25. Kf5!
Kf8! 26. Kf6! Ke8! 27. Ke6! Kf8 28. Nd8 Kg8! 29. Nf7 Kg7! 30. Nd6!
Kg6! 31. Ke5! Kg7! 32. Kf5! Kh7! 33. Kf6! Kh6! 34. Nf7+ Kh5 35. N7e5!
Kh6 36. Kf7 Kh5! 37. Ke7 Kh6 38. Kf6! Kh5! 39. Kf5! Kh6 40. Nd7!
Kg7! 41. Ke6! Kg8! 42. Ke7! Kh8! 43. Kf7! Kh7 44. Nf8+ Kh6! 45. Kf6!
Kh5 46. Kf5! Kh6 47. Ne6! Kh5! 48. Ng7+! Kh6 49. Kf6! Kh7 50. Nf5!
Kg8! 51. Ke7! Kh7 52. Kf7! Kh8 53. Ng5! f3 54. Ne7 f2 55. Ng6#