MAN VERSUS MACHINE
2007
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[d]2r3k1/6r1/3bpn1p/pp1p1pp1/2pPnP2/P1P1P1P1/RP2q1RP/4BNNK w - - 0 30
[Event "Partida evaluada, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2007.11.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Father"]
[Black "Night move"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2062"]
[BlackElo "2273"]
[Annotator "Restrepo,Pablo Ignacio"]
[PlyCount "203"]
[EventDate "2007.11.15"]
[BlackTeam "Tournament invitation from Kharmaz02 in room "]
[TimeControl "180"]
1. d4 {2} d5 {0.00/0 0} 2. e3 {(Sf3) 1} Nf6 {0.00/0 0} 3. c3 {(Sf3) 1} Bf5 {
0.00/0 0} 4. Bd3 {1} Bxd3 {0.00/0 0} 5. Qxd3 {0} Nbd7 {0.00/0 0} 6. f4 {(Sf3) 0
} e6 {6} 7. Nf3 {-0.42/15 0} Bd6 {8} 8. O-O {-0.45/15 0} O-O {-0.36/15 18} 9.
Re1 {(b3) 1} c5 {-0.63/13 6} 10. g3 {(b3) 2} Qa5 {-0.80/12 5} 11. Kg2 {(Sbd2) 4
} h6 {-0.92/12 5} 12. Nbd2 {2} c4 {-0.70/13 5} 13. Qc2 {(De2) 1} Rac8 {
-0.49/12 5} 14. a3 {(Se5) 1} Rfe8 {-0.88/12 5} 15. Nf1 {(Se5) 1} b5 {-1.02/13 7
} 16. Rb1 {(Se5) 1} Qb6 {-0.92/12 5} 17. Re2 {(S1d2) 0} Ne4 {5} 18. Bd2 {
(S1d2) -0.96/12 0} Ndf6 {4} 19. Be1 {-1.20/11 0} a5 {-1.12/12 3} 20. Ra1 {
(S1d2) 3} Re7 {-1.01/12 6} 21. Qc1 {(S1d2) 1} Qc6 {-1.28/12 4} 22. Rc2 {
(S1d2) 12} Ng4 {-1.53/12 8} 23. Re2 {(h3) 2} f5 {-1.23/12 10} 24. Ra2 {(S1d2) 0
} Qe8 {-1.88/12 2} 25. Qc2 {(S1d2) 4} Qh5 {-1.85/12 3} 26. Ng1 {(h3) 4} g5 {
-2.42/12 8} 27. Kh1 {(h3) 6} Ngf6 {-2.12/10 3} 28. Rg2 {(Sd2) 4} Rg7 {
-1.90/11 4} 29. Qe2 {(Sd2) 1} Qxe2 {-1.89/10 2} 30. Rxe2 {(Sxe2) 4} g4 {
-1.84/11 1} 31. Rg2 {(Sd2) 3} Kf7 {-1.91/11 1} 32. Ra1 {(Se2) 1} Kg6 {
-1.76/12 6} 33. Re2 {(Se2) 0} h5 {-1.85/12 2} 34. Kg2 {1} Rd8 {-1.61/12 1} 35.
Rc2 {(Sd2) 0} Rb7 {-1.44/12 2} 36. Rcc1 {(Sd2) 1} Re8 {-1.46/11 1} 37. Ra2 {
(Se2) 1} Rc8 {-1.47/11 1} 38. Rca1 {(Se2) 1} Rh8 {-1.54/10 1} 39. Ne2 {(Tc1) 1}
Rhh7 {-1.46/12 6} 40. Ng1 {(Tc1) 0} Rhc7 {-1.46/10 1} 41. Ne2 {1} Rb8 {
-1.46/13 0} 42. Ng1 {(Tc1) 1} Rd7 {-1.47/10 1} 43. Ne2 {1} Rc8 {-1.46/13 0} 44.
Ng1 {(Td1) 0} Be7 {-1.46/10 1} 45. Ne2 {0} Rb7 {-1.46/13 0} 46. Ng1 {(Td1) 1}
Ne8 {-1.51/11 1} 47. Ne2 {(Sd2) 0} Rc6 {-1.44/12 1} 48. Ng1 {(Td1) 0} N8d6 {
-1.50/11 0} 49. Ne2 {0} Rcc7 {-1.47/11 4} 50. Kg1 {(Sd2) 1} Rb8 {-1.51/10 0}
51. Kg2 {0} Bf6 {-1.47/12 0} 52. Kg1 {(Td1) 0} Rh8 {-1.55/10 1} 53. Kg2 {
(Td1) 0} Be7 {-1.46/10 0} 54. Kg1 {(Td1) 0} Rcc8 {-1.58/9 0} 55. Kg2 {(a4) 0}
Rh7 {-1.47/10 0} 56. Kg1 {(Td1) 0} Rb8 {-1.53/9 0} 57. Kg2 {(Td1) 0} Kf7 {
-1.46/10 1} 58. Kg1 {(Sd2) 0} Kg7 {-1.50/10 0} 59. Kg2 {0} Kg6 {-1.45/12 0} 60.
Kg1 {(Td1) 1} Rh6 {-1.48/8 0} 61. Kg2 {(Td1) 0} Bf6 {-1.45/9 0} 62. Kg1 {
(Td1) 0} Rb7 {-1.49/8 0} 63. Kg2 {(Td1) 0} Rh8 {-1.48/10 0} 64. Kg1 {(Td1) 1}
Rbh7 {-1.78/8 0} 65. Kg2 {(Td1) 1} Ra8 {-1.47/9 0} 66. Kg1 {(Td1) 1} a4 {
-1.62/8 0} 67. Kg2 {(Sd2) 0} Rf7 {-1.47/8 0} 68. Rc1 {(Sd2) 0} Rc7 {-1.46/9 0}
69. Rc2 {(Sd2) 0} Rh8 {-1.42/7 0} 70. Ra1 {(Sd2) 0} Rd8 {-1.37/8 0} 71. Rd1 {
(Sd2) 8} Re8 {-1.39/9 0} 72. Ng1 {(Sd2) 1} Rh8 {-1.41/7 0} 73. Rdc1 {(Se2) 1}
Rcc8 {-1.62/7 0} 74. Re2 {(Sd2) 0} h4 {-1.87/8 0} 75. Rcc2 {(gxh4) 4} h3+ {
-2.25/9 0} 76. Kh1 {2} Be7 {-2.08/13 0} 77. Rf2 {(Sd2) 4} Nxf2+ {-3.66/7 0} 78.
Bxf2 {0} Ne4 {-3.27/13 0} 79. Be1 {1} Ra8 {-3.21/13 0} 80. Ne2 {(Sd2) 1} Bd6 {
-3.20/9 0} 81. Kg1 {(Sd2) 1} Nf6 {-3.23/10 0} 82. Rd2 {(Sd2) 2} Ng8 {-3.23/8 0}
83. Kf2 {(Td1) 1} Ne7 {-3.27/11 0} 84. Rc2 {(Td1) 2} Nc6 {-3.27/10 0} 85. Kg1 {
(Sd2) 1} Rh7 {-3.26/9 0} 86. Kf2 {(Sd2) 1} Rd7 {-3.25/9 0} 87. Kg1 {(Sd2) 1}
Be7 {-3.29/10 0} 88. Kf2 {(Sd2) 0} Rb8 {-3.24/9 0} 89. Nc1 {(Sd2) 1} Rh8 {
-3.10/7 0} 90. Na2 {(Sd2) 0} Rg8 {-2.92/10 0} 91. Nb4 {(Sd2) 1} Rc8 {-2.83/9 0}
92. Nxc6 {(Sd2) 1} Rxc6 {-2.76/8 0} 93. Nd2 {1} Ra7 {-2.76/15 0} 94. Nb1 {
(Tc1) 1} Rc8 {-2.80/10 0} 95. Kf1 {(Sd2) 1} Bd6 {-2.79/9 0} 96. Ke2 {(Sd2) 1}
Rh7 {-2.76/12 0} 97. Kd1 {(Sd2) 1} Kf6 {-2.82/8 0} 98. Re2 {(Sd2) 1} Ra8 {
-2.77/9 0} 99. Kc2 {(Sd2) 1} Rg8 {-2.74/7 0} 100. Nd2 {0} Ke7 {-2.84/16 0} 101.
Nf1 {(Lf2) 0} Kd7 {-2.79/11 0} 102. Bd2 {
(Sd2) Zeit (Lag: Av=1.26s, max=23.5s) 0} 1-0
[d]6r1/3k3r/3bp3/1p1p1p2/p1pP1Pp1/P1P1P1Pp/1PKBR2P/5N2 b - - 0 102
[d]2r5/3rb3/2N1p1k1/1p1p1p2/p1pP1Pp1/P1P1P1Pp/1PR2K1P/4BN2 b - - 0 92
Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
Moderator: Ras
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Father
- Posts: 1894
- Joined: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:39 am
- Location: Colombia
- Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Jouni
- Posts: 3725
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- Full name: Jouni Uski
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
No fix to time losses in Fritz 11?! In my recent 50 games match against Fruit, Fritz10 lost 5 games on time (even in under 100 moves game).
Fruit haven't lost so far ever with time...
Jouni
Fruit haven't lost so far ever with time...
Jouni
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Edward German
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
My Congrats Pablo!
I was kibitzing this game, it was very nice.
Best!
I was kibitzing this game, it was very nice.
Best!
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Erik Roggenburg
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
How is this game different from the dozens of others you have posted here?
I think you do a good job at showing the weaknesses of some computer chess programs.
I think you do a good job at showing the weaknesses of some computer chess programs.
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Ovyron
- Posts: 4562
- Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:30 am
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
No difference.Erik Roggenburg wrote:How is this game different from the dozens of others you have posted here?
I think it was confirmed that Father uses some sort of "lag+timeseal+premove" "cheating", that means, that he's playing actually much slower than the game shows, but the enemy receives the move after a lag, so with a lag of two seconds, you can make your moves in two seconds and it will seem as if you moved instantly.Erik Roggenburg wrote:I think you do a good job at showing the weaknesses of some computer chess programs.
Your beliefs create your reality, so be careful what you wish for.
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fern
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Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
Padre:
¿Para qué jugar y ganar juegos tan aburridos?
Esas posiciones cerradas......
Fdo
¿Para qué jugar y ganar juegos tan aburridos?
Esas posiciones cerradas......
Fdo
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M ANSARI
- Posts: 3733
- Joined: Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:10 pm
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
[/quote]
I think it was confirmed that Father uses some sort of "lag+timeseal+premove" "cheating", that means, that he's playing actually much slower than the game shows, but the enemy receives the move after a lag, so with a lag of two seconds, you can make your moves in two seconds and it will seem as if you moved instantly.[/quote]
I am interested in this. Quite a few times in playchess I can have 30 seconds against someone who has only 3 secs and I will still lose on time even if I play with pre move and play instantly. How can they do that?
I think it was confirmed that Father uses some sort of "lag+timeseal+premove" "cheating", that means, that he's playing actually much slower than the game shows, but the enemy receives the move after a lag, so with a lag of two seconds, you can make your moves in two seconds and it will seem as if you moved instantly.[/quote]
I am interested in this. Quite a few times in playchess I can have 30 seconds against someone who has only 3 secs and I will still lose on time even if I play with pre move and play instantly. How can they do that?
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Father
- Posts: 1894
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- Location: Colombia
- Full name: Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
Fernando,
................esperando hasta el dia en que los computadores sean finalmente invensibles.........todo indica, que ese dia, no lo podre observar...no comprendo la razon por la cual, continuan los mejores softwares repitiendo una y otra vez el mismo problema....
................esperando hasta el dia en que los computadores sean finalmente invensibles.........todo indica, que ese dia, no lo podre observar...no comprendo la razon por la cual, continuan los mejores softwares repitiendo una y otra vez el mismo problema....
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
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Jim Walker
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- Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:31 am
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
All of a sudden you can't speak English?
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Erik Roggenburg
Re: Fritz 11 versus Father(human). November 15 - 2007
OK. When I get a little time and I don't have anything better to do, I will load some of these positions up and see what some other engines think.