New engines with funny names

[Eraserheads]

http://www.exactachess.com/modules.php? ... oads&cid=5

Taken originally from http://schachwerkstatt.foren-city.de/to ... rybka.html

Lots of new engines here. Anyone care to test them?

[Ovyron]

Do you know the story behind these engines? I heard that it's the "Programmers fight back":

Strelka was a illegitimate engine that was tested anyway.

Now the programmers launch anonymously legitimate engines that look like clones and aren't as strong as top engines (and that have horrid names), to see what the testing groups will do on a win-win scenario for them...

...or something like that.

[El Gringo]

Hi,

First of all, i like to say that i have no intention to insult anyone in this post here.

But i hope to make some things clear.
As a member of the CEGT team i also tested Strelka and after a while we had a lot off questions about this engine. I have done some very deep testings and i can say you with 100% that Strelka is an illegal 'remake' or 'clone' from Rybka beta.
I've sent my conclusions to Werner and Michael (CEGT team) and we decided to throw it out of our lists.

The chess engine authors have now decided (with the help of Conkie) to show the computer chess community what exactly happens. personnally i found this a very good initiative.

I've been in computer chess as a hobby from 1987 and i'm not proud of what happens now.

CCRL has made a terrible mistake by not deleting Strelka from their lists (IMHO), a little bit more respect to Vasik, Stefan, Mark, Fabien and all the other programmers, that's all !

I've had the change (when operating Ruffiian) to sit in front of Stefan Mayre kahlen, Chrilly Donninger and many others in the past, and i had a lot of respect for these people.

Best Regards

[John Conway]

I don’t know what the real motive behind the publishing of these engines is, but I don’t believe this will do the image of computer chess any good whatsoever.

[Olivier Deville]

Hi,

First of all, i like to say that i have no intention to insult anyone in this post here.

But i hope to make some things clear.
As a member of the CEGT team i also tested Strelka and after a while we had a lot off questions about this engine. I have done some very deep testings and i can say you with 100% that Strelka is an illegal 'remake' or 'clone' from Rybka beta.
I've sent my conclusions to Werner and Michael (CEGT team) and we decided to throw it out of our lists.

The chess engine authors have now decided (with the help of Conkie) to show the computer chess community what exactly happens. personnally i found this a very good initiative.

I've been in computer chess as a hobby from 1987 and i'm not proud of what happens now.

CCRL has made a terrible mistake by not deleting Strelka from their lists (IMHO), a little bit more respect to Vasik, Stefan, Mark, Fabien and all the other programmers, that's all !

I've had the change (when operating Ruffiian) to sit in front of Stefan Mayre kahlen, Chrilly Donninger and many others in the past, and i had a lot of respect for these people.

Best Regards

I agree.

I have deleted from my tournaments all engines that are derivated from strong existing programs.

Let's add I totally support Christopher Conkie in what he is doing here. He is absolutely right.

Olivier

[Tony Thomas]

Now all of a sudden Christopher is the saviour of the computer chess world. I wonder what kind of conclusions he drew from his investigation of the strelka code.

[El Gringo]

Hi,

First of all, i like to say that i have no intention to insult anyone in this post here.

But i hope to make some things clear.
As a member of the CEGT team i also tested Strelka and after a while we had a lot off questions about this engine. I have done some very deep testings and i can say you with 100% that Strelka is an illegal 'remake' or 'clone' from Rybka beta.
I've sent my conclusions to Werner and Michael (CEGT team) and we decided to throw it out of our lists.

The chess engine authors have now decided (with the help of Conkie) to show the computer chess community what exactly happens. personnally i found this a very good initiative.

I've been in computer chess as a hobby from 1987 and i'm not proud of what happens now.

CCRL has made a terrible mistake by not deleting Strelka from their lists (IMHO), a little bit more respect to Vasik, Stefan, Mark, Fabien and all the other programmers, that's all !

I've had the change (when operating Ruffiian) to sit in front of Stefan Mayre kahlen, Chrilly Donninger and many others in the past, and i had a lot of respect for these people.

Best Regards

I agree.

I have deleted from my tournaments all engines that are derivated from strong existing programs.

Let's add I totally support Christopher Conkie in what he is doing here. He is absolutely right.

Olivier

Thx.

Go on with your chesswar tournaments and the life coverage...i'ts great to be there from time to time.

Best
Johan

[Eelco de Groot]

Hi,

First of all, i like to say that i have no intention to insult anyone in this post here.

But i hope to make some things clear.
As a member of the CEGT team i also tested Strelka and after a while we had a lot off questions about this engine. I have done some very deep testings and i can say you with 100% that Strelka is an illegal 'remake' or 'clone' from Rybka beta.
I've sent my conclusions to Werner and Michael (CEGT team) and we decided to throw it out of our lists.

The chess engine authors have now decided (with the help of Conkie) to show the computer chess community what exactly happens. personnally i found this a very good initiative.

I've been in computer chess as a hobby from 1987 and i'm not proud of what happens now.

CCRL has made a terrible mistake by not deleting Strelka from their lists (IMHO), a little bit more respect to Vasik, Stefan, Mark, Fabien and all the other programmers, that's all !

I've had the change (when operating Ruffiian) to sit in front of Stefan Mayre kahlen, Chrilly Donninger and many others in the past, and i had a lot of respect for these people.

Best Regards

I agree.

I have deleted from my tournaments all engines that are derivated from strong existing programs.

Let's add I totally support Christopher Conkie in what he is doing here. He is absolutely right.

Olivier

Personally I don't understand this initiative by Mr. Conkie and I fail to see what is the connection with the original question whether Strelka could or even should be tested by the CCRL as long as it was not clear to them whether it was or was not a clone.

I have my doubts about these socalled programmers and if they are not all Mr. Conkie then, as they apparently wish to remain anonymous and are programming stated clones with obscene names, they should be treated as cloners. I conclude Mr. Conkie has therefore left us and joined Team Rasputin or maybe it should be called Team Conka. It is a sad loss and a sad moment in the history of computerchess that our best clonefighter has gone over to the other side.

Of course I am not serious. I think this is just a bad joke by Christopher. Can we please discuss things more related to computerchess again?

Eelco

[Alexander Schmidt]

I have my doubts about these socalled programmers and if they are not all Mr. Conkie then,

No. I looked on one engine and it is a "clone" of a commercial programm.

I like the idea behind all this engines, it should open the eyes of people wasting time in clones instead to support the real engineprogrammers.

What is exactly wrong? People who still wasteing time with Strelka and Belka should be happy to have more clones of strong engines!

Watching the discussion now is quite funny
Alex

[Graham Banks]

As a member of the CEGT team i also tested Strelka and after a while we had a lot off questions about this engine. I have done some very deep testings and i can say you with 100% that Strelka is an illegal 'remake' or 'clone' from Rybka beta.
I've sent my conclusions to Werner and Michael (CEGT team) and we decided to throw it out of our lists.

CCRL has made a terrible mistake by not deleting Strelka from their lists (IMHO), a little bit more respect to Vasik, Stefan, Mark, Fabien and all the other programmers, that's all !

Hi Johan,

what CEGT has done is their choice and business. What CCRL have done is theirs. I wonder if many have cared to read the changed notes on Stelka that we put up a couple of weeks back.

The legal position of Strelka is untested, and therefore CCRL as a group does not offer any opinion. This is constantly under review. Strelka is playing almost identically to Rybka 1.0 and this is supported by our correlation statistics and by other independent studies. We don't believe that this similarity is accidental and therefore for the purposes of our rating list, we have included it as part of the Rybka family. The implications of that are that it should not appear on any of the pure lists or best versions lists. It will only be visible on the Complete List or any custom lists. A further effect of this is that the volume of future games for Strelka will be low or probably NIL.

I've pretty well stated my feelings on this latest disgrace in the Schachwerkstatt thread on the issue:
http://schachwerkstatt.foren-city.de/to ... rybka.html

Regards, Graham.