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by bigo » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:25 am
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Benjamin"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Annotator "Ingo Althofer"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. g3 Nc6 7. Bg2 O-O 8.
O-O Bg4 9. f3 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Be6 11. f4 c5 12. Qd2 Re8 13. b3 c4 14. Kh1 Rc8 15.
Bb2 Qa5 16. Qd4 Bf8 17. Rae1 a6 18. Bf3 Bh3 19. Bg2 Qh5 20. Qd2 b5 21. a3 d5
22. exd5 Ng4 23. b4 Bxg2+ 24. Qxg2 Ne3 25. Qf3 Nxf1 26. Qxh5 Rxe1 27. Kg2 Rce8
28. Qf3 Ne3+ 29. Kh3 f5 30. d6 Re6 31. Kh4 Rh6+ 32. Kg5 Rxd6 {
White resigned 0-1} 0-1
Surely this game should apear in the human chess magazines. game of year ?
tjfroh
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by tjfroh » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:14 pm
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fritz 10"]
[Black "Frohlick, Timothy"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Annotator "Ingo Althofer"]
[PlyCount "90"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. g3 Nc6 7. Bg2 O-O 8.
O-O Bg4 9. f3 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Be6 11. f4 c5 12. Qd2 Re8 13. b3 c4 14. Kh1 Rc8 15.
Bb2 Qa5 16. Qd4 Bf8 17. Rae1 a6 18. Bf3 Bh3 19. Bg2 Qh5 20. Qd2 b5 21. a3 d5
22. exd5 Ng4 23. b4 Bxg2+ 24. Qxg2 Ne3 25. Qf3 Nxf1 26. Qxh5 Rxe1 27. Kg2 Rce8
28. Qf3 Ne3+ 29. Kh3 f5 30. d6 Re6 31. Kh4 Rh6+ 32. Kg5 Rxd6 {
White resigned 0-1} 33. Qxe3 {-11.49/13 2} Rxe3 {-12.33/14 1} 34. Kxf5 {
-13.18/14 1} g6+ {-13.58/15 2} 35. Kg5 {-13.95/14 1} Bg7 {-13.86/14 4} 36. Nxb5
{-14.67/15 1} axb5 {-16.93/13 1} 37. Bc1 {-17.21/13 2} Re1 {-18.67/13 1} 38.
Bb2 {-19.16/13 1} Bxb2 {-20.28/13 1} 39. Kg4 {-#9/9 1} h5+ {-#7/6 0} 40. Kf3 {
-#6/7 0} Rd2 {-#6/6 0} 41. c3 {-#5/6 0} Bxc3 {-#5/5 0} 42. g4 {-#4/5 0} Rf1+ {
-#4/5 0} 43. Ke3 {-#3/5 0} Rd3+ {-#3/5 0} 44. Ke2 {-#2/5 0} Rdd1 {-#2/5 0} 45.
gxh5 {-#1/5 0} Rde1# {-#1/5 0} 0-1
[d]6k1/8/6p1/1p5P/1Pp2P2/P1b5/4K2P/4rr2 w - - 0 46
Final possible position after black mates.
Indeed--a nice game by Rybka. The playout by Fritz 10 shows how lost Benjamin was at the resignation point.
TJ
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Dr.Ex
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by Dr.Ex » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:10 pm
bigo wrote: [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Benjamin"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Annotator "Ingo Althofer"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. g3 Nc6 7. Bg2 O-O 8.
O-O Bg4 9. f3 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Be6 11. f4 c5 12. Qd2 Re8 13. b3 c4 14. Kh1 Rc8 15.
Bb2 Qa5 16. Qd4 Bf8 17. Rae1 a6 18. Bf3 Bh3 19. Bg2 Qh5 20. Qd2 b5 21. a3 d5
22. exd5 Ng4 23. b4 Bxg2+ 24. Qxg2 Ne3 25. Qf3 Nxf1 26. Qxh5 Rxe1 27. Kg2 Rce8
28. Qf3 Ne3+ 29. Kh3 f5 30. d6 Re6 31. Kh4 Rh6+ 32. Kg5 Rxd6 {
White resigned 0-1} 0-1
Surely this game should apear in the human chess magazines. game of year ?
Surely not, for a brillancy price both players have to play a decent game.
This game was decided by the horrible blunder 23.b4.
Even in case he missed the obvious possibility 25...Nxf1, the endgame after 25...Qxf3 26.Rxf3 Nxc2 would have been clearly better for black too.
23.Bxh3 Qxh3 24.b4 gives white decent drawing chances.
George Tsavdaris
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by George Tsavdaris » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:39 pm
Dr.Ex wrote: bigo wrote: [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Benjamin"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Annotator "Ingo Althofer"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. g3 Nc6 7. Bg2 O-O 8.
O-O Bg4 9. f3 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Be6 11. f4 c5 12. Qd2 Re8 13. b3 c4 14. Kh1 Rc8 15.
Bb2 Qa5 16. Qd4 Bf8 17. Rae1 a6 18. Bf3 Bh3 19. Bg2 Qh5 20. Qd2 b5 21. a3 d5
22. exd5 Ng4 23. b4 Bxg2+ 24. Qxg2 Ne3 25. Qf3 Nxf1 26. Qxh5 Rxe1 27. Kg2 Rce8
28. Qf3 Ne3+ 29. Kh3 f5 30. d6 Re6 31. Kh4 Rh6+ 32. Kg5 Rxd6 {
White resigned 0-1} 0-1
Surely this game should apear in the human chess magazines. game of year ?
Surely not, for a brillancy price both players have to play a decent game.
This game was decided by the horrible blunder 23.b4.
Even in case he missed the obvious possibility 25...Nxf1, the endgame after 25...Qxf3 26.Rxf3 Nxc2 would have been clearly better for black too.
23.Bxh3 Qxh3 24.b4 gives white decent drawing chances.
After 24...a5! i don't think that white has decent drawing chances, especially if we're talking for a 2600 GM against a computer....
Position is too tactical.
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Dr.Ex
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by Dr.Ex » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:27 am
George Tsavdaris wrote: Dr.Ex wrote: bigo wrote: [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Benjamin"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Annotator "Ingo Althofer"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. g3 Nc6 7. Bg2 O-O 8.
O-O Bg4 9. f3 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Be6 11. f4 c5 12. Qd2 Re8 13. b3 c4 14. Kh1Rc8 15.
Bb2 Qa5 16. Qd4 Bf8 17. Rae1 a6 18. Bf3 Bh3 19. Bg2 Qh5 20. Qd2 b5 21. a3 d5
22. exd5 Ng4 23. b4 Bxg2+ 24. Qxg2 Ne3 25. Qf3 Nxf1 26. Qxh5 Rxe1 27. Kg2 Rce8
28. Qf3 Ne3+ 29. Kh3 f5 30. d6 Re6 31. Kh4 Rh6+ 32. Kg5 Rxd6 {
White resigned 0-1} 0-1
Surely this game should apear in the human chess magazines. game of year ?
Surely not, for a brillancy price both players have to play a decent game.
This game was decided by the horrible blunder 23.b4.
Even in case he missed the obvious possibility 25...Nxf1, the endgame after 25...Qxf3 26.Rxf3 Nxc2 would have been clearly better for black too.
23.Bxh3 Qxh3 24.b4 gives white decent drawing chances.
After 24...a5! i don't think that white has decent drawing chances, especially if we're talking for a 2600 GM against a computer....
I've looked at this variation before posting.
White can either play 25.Nxb5 axb4 26.axb4 Rb8 27.Nd4 Bxb4 28.c3 Bc5 29.Kg1 or try to invite Rybka to win a pawn with 25.Nxb5 axb4 26.Bd4 bxa3 27.d6 Rxe1 28.Rxe1 Qh5 29.Nxa3 Bxd6 30.Nb1 Nxh2 31.Qxh2 Qd5+ 32.Qg2 Qxd4 33.Nd2 (no progress idea).
The game could have been a brilliant one had Benjamin played 23.Nd1?
in order to cover the vulnerable f2,e3 squares. Rybka would have unleashed cxb3 24.cxb3 Rxe1 25.Rxe1 Nxh2! 26.Kxh2 Rc2 -+.
After 23.b4 white just loses without resistance it seems.
Anyway, it's hardly brilliant to give up a qeen for two rooks + attack.
Dann Corbit
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Location: Redmond, WA USA
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by Dann Corbit » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:33 am
Dr.Ex wrote: George Tsavdaris wrote: Dr.Ex wrote: bigo wrote: [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GM Benjamin"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C41"]
[Annotator "Ingo Althofer"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. g3 Nc6 7. Bg2 O-O 8.
O-O Bg4 9. f3 Nxd4 10. Qxd4 Be6 11. f4 c5 12. Qd2 Re8 13. b3 c4 14. Kh1Rc8 15.
Bb2 Qa5 16. Qd4 Bf8 17. Rae1 a6 18. Bf3 Bh3 19. Bg2 Qh5 20. Qd2 b5 21. a3 d5
22. exd5 Ng4 23. b4 Bxg2+ 24. Qxg2 Ne3 25. Qf3 Nxf1 26. Qxh5 Rxe1 27. Kg2 Rce8
28. Qf3 Ne3+ 29. Kh3 f5 30. d6 Re6 31. Kh4 Rh6+ 32. Kg5 Rxd6 {
White resigned 0-1} 0-1
Surely this game should apear in the human chess magazines. game of year ?
Surely not, for a brillancy price both players have to play a decent game.
This game was decided by the horrible blunder 23.b4.
Even in case he missed the obvious possibility 25...Nxf1, the endgame after 25...Qxf3 26.Rxf3 Nxc2 would have been clearly better for black too.
23.Bxh3 Qxh3 24.b4 gives white decent drawing chances.
After 24...a5! i don't think that white has decent drawing chances, especially if we're talking for a 2600 GM against a computer....
I've looked at this variation before posting.
White can either play 25.Nxb5 axb4 26.axb4 Rb8 27.Nd4 Bxb4 28.c3 Bc5 29.Kg1 or try to invite Rybka to win a pawn with 25.Nxb5 axb4 26.Bd4 bxa3 27.d6 Rxe1 28.Rxe1 Qh5 29.Nxa3 Bxd6 30.Nb1 Nxh2 31.Qxh2 Qd5+ 32.Qg2 Qxd4 33.Nd2 (no progress idea).
The game could have been a brilliant one had Benjamin played 23.Nd1?
in order to cover the vulnerable f2,e3 squares. Rybka would have unleashed cxb3 24.cxb3 Rxe1 25.Rxe1 Nxh2! 26.Kxh2 Rc2 -+.
After 23.b4 white just loses without resistance it seems.
Anyway, it's hardly brilliant to give up a qeen for two rooks + attack.
This is really interesting, as it shows some sort of problem with either the search or the eval of Rybka.
Given the position after moving 23. b4 and black has responded Bxg2+, Rybka still does not see the trouble:
[d]2r1rbk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3q/1Pp2Pn1/P1N3P1/1BPQ2bP/4RR1K w - - bm Qxg2;
Code: Select all
Searching move: Qd2xg2
Best move (Rybkav2.3.2a.w32): Qd2xg2
identical moves! Found in: 00:00
5 00:00 494 505.856 -0.41 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3
6 00:00 1.050 63.247 -0.45 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3
7 00:00 2.622 83.904 -0.59 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2
8 00:00 5.665 73.429 -0.66 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2
9 00:00 8.256 76.163 -0.57 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4
10 00:00 12.071 71.449 -0.51 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2
11 00:01 19.632 61.103 -0.42 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5
12 00:01 32.624 59.232 -0.42 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5 Kh1g1
13 00:01 57.046 58.356 -0.43 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5 Kh1g1 Bf8d6
14 00:02 112.365 57.502 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
15 00:04 187.649 56.135 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
16 00:06 316.024 54.783 -0.33 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
17 00:11 560.709 53.876 -0.29 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
18 00:24 1.262.156 53.883 -0.28 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
19 00:38 2.001.084 54.663 -0.33 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 f7f5
20 01:13 3.948.433 55.659 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 f7f5
21 02:13 7.859.223 60.637 -0.54 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8xe2 Nc3xe2 g7g6
22 03:52 14.692.426 64.923 -0.59 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8xe2 Nc3xe2 Ne1c2
1/8/2008 7:42:45 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:25, Rated time: 19:46
Even more amazing, look at this (we are at 27. about to move Kg2):
[d]2r2bk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3Q/1Pp2P2/P1N3P1/1BP4P/4rn1K w - - bm Kg2;
If you look at the pv, Rybka does not see the devastating reply f5! that is coming at move 29:
Code: Select all
Searching move: Kh1-g2
Best move (Rybkav2.3.2a.w32): Kh1-g2
identical moves! Found in: 00:00
5 00:00 1.591 95.834 -0.43 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2
6 00:00 2.807 89.824 -0.49 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2
7 00:00 7.620 70.935 -0.19 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4
8 00:00 10.182 66.409 -0.24 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4 h7h6
9 00:01 14.624 59.661 -0.25 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4 h7h6 Bb2c3
10 00:01 33.442 60.717 -0.12 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re1f1 Qf3e2 Rf1g1
11 00:01 66.326 63.832 -0.37 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4
12 00:02 107.154 63.794 -0.41 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 Bf8e7
13 00:03 173.644 60.831 -0.21 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e4 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 Bf8e7 Ne4c3
14 00:10 625.785 63.971 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Ne3xc2 Qh5f5 Nc2d4 Qf5d7 Re1e7
15 00:14 815.009 62.834 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Bf8d6 Nc3e2 Ne3xc2 Ne2d4 Nc2xd4 Bb2xd4 Re1e4
16 00:21 1.352.454 65.505 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Bf8d6 Nc3e2 Ne3xc2 Ne2d4 Nc2xd4 Bb2xd4 Re1e4
17 01:28 5.438.147 63.391 -0.73 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Rd8d6 Kh3g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2 Qh5f3 Rd6h6
18 01:44 6.468.552 64.133 -0.67 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Nf1e3 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Qh5f3 Be7f6 Bb2xf6 Nd5xf6
19 02:28 9.616.749 66.811 -0.75 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Nf1e3 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Qh5f3 Be7f6 Bb2xf6 Nd5xf6
20 03:41 14.863.965 68.934 -0.78 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Rd8d6 Kh3g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2 f4f5 Re1e8 Qg5d2 Nc2e3
1/8/2008 8:06:07 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:25, Rated time: 00:00
Ovyron
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by Ovyron » Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:47 pm
Dann, can I have your permission to repost this at the Rybka forum?
Your beliefs create your reality, so be careful what you wish for.
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Location: Redmond, WA USA
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by Dann Corbit » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:06 pm
Ovyron wrote: Dann, can I have your permission to repost this at the Rybka forum?
Sure. Everything I post here I formally donate to the public domain.
I'm probably all wet anyway.
Ovyron
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by Ovyron » Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:13 am
Dann Corbit wrote: This is really interesting, as it shows some sort of problem with either the search or the eval of Rybka.
Given the position after moving 23. b4 and black has responded Bxg2+, Rybka still does not see the trouble:
[d]2r1rbk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3q/1Pp2Pn1/P1N3P1/1BPQ2bP/4RR1K w - - bm Qxg2;
Code: Select all
Searching move: Qd2xg2
Best move (Rybkav2.3.2a.w32): Qd2xg2
identical moves! Found in: 00:00
5 00:00 494 505.856 -0.41 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3
6 00:00 1.050 63.247 -0.45 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3
7 00:00 2.622 83.904 -0.59 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2
8 00:00 5.665 73.429 -0.66 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2
9 00:00 8.256 76.163 -0.57 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4
10 00:00 12.071 71.449 -0.51 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2
11 00:01 19.632 61.103 -0.42 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5
12 00:01 32.624 59.232 -0.42 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5 Kh1g1
13 00:01 57.046 58.356 -0.43 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5 Kh1g1 Bf8d6
14 00:02 112.365 57.502 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
15 00:04 187.649 56.135 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
16 00:06 316.024 54.783 -0.33 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
17 00:11 560.709 53.876 -0.29 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
18 00:24 1.262.156 53.883 -0.28 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
19 00:38 2.001.084 54.663 -0.33 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 f7f5
20 01:13 3.948.433 55.659 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 f7f5
21 02:13 7.859.223 60.637 -0.54 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8xe2 Nc3xe2 g7g6
22 03:52 14.692.426 64.923 -0.59 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8xe2 Nc3xe2 Ne1c2
1/8/2008 7:42:45 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:25, Rated time: 19:46
Even more amazing, look at this (we are at 27. about to move Kg2):
[d]2r2bk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3Q/1Pp2P2/P1N3P1/1BP4P/4rn1K w - - bm Kg2;
If you look at the pv, Rybka does not see the devastating reply f5! that is coming at move 29:
Code: Select all
Searching move: Kh1-g2
Best move (Rybkav2.3.2a.w32): Kh1-g2
identical moves! Found in: 00:00
5 00:00 1.591 95.834 -0.43 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2
6 00:00 2.807 89.824 -0.49 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2
7 00:00 7.620 70.935 -0.19 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4
8 00:00 10.182 66.409 -0.24 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4 h7h6
9 00:01 14.624 59.661 -0.25 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4 h7h6 Bb2c3
10 00:01 33.442 60.717 -0.12 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re1f1 Qf3e2 Rf1g1
11 00:01 66.326 63.832 -0.37 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4
12 00:02 107.154 63.794 -0.41 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 Bf8e7
13 00:03 173.644 60.831 -0.21 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e4 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 Bf8e7 Ne4c3
14 00:10 625.785 63.971 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Ne3xc2 Qh5f5 Nc2d4 Qf5d7 Re1e7
15 00:14 815.009 62.834 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Bf8d6 Nc3e2 Ne3xc2 Ne2d4 Nc2xd4 Bb2xd4 Re1e4
16 00:21 1.352.454 65.505 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Bf8d6 Nc3e2 Ne3xc2 Ne2d4 Nc2xd4 Bb2xd4 Re1e4
17 01:28 5.438.147 63.391 -0.73 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Rd8d6 Kh3g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2 Qh5f3 Rd6h6
18 01:44 6.468.552 64.133 -0.67 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Nf1e3 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Qh5f3 Be7f6 Bb2xf6 Nd5xf6
19 02:28 9.616.749 66.811 -0.75 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Nf1e3 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Qh5f3 Be7f6 Bb2xf6 Nd5xf6
20 03:41 14.863.965 68.934 -0.78 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Rd8d6 Kh3g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2 f4f5 Re1e8 Qg5d2 Nc2e3
1/8/2008 8:06:07 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:25, Rated time: 00:00
About this, I got this answer on the Rybka Forum:
Victor Zakharov wrote: Sorry, what trouble Rybka should see?
You put Rybka analysis but but don't say what is wrong with it.
Your beliefs create your reality, so be careful what you wish for.
Dann Corbit
Posts: 12814 Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:57 pm
Location: Redmond, WA USA
Post
by Dann Corbit » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:36 am
Ovyron wrote: Dann Corbit wrote: This is really interesting, as it shows some sort of problem with either the search or the eval of Rybka.
Given the position after moving 23. b4 and black has responded Bxg2+, Rybka still does not see the trouble:
[d]2r1rbk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3q/1Pp2Pn1/P1N3P1/1BPQ2bP/4RR1K w - - bm Qxg2;
Code: Select all
Searching move: Qd2xg2
Best move (Rybkav2.3.2a.w32): Qd2xg2
identical moves! Found in: 00:00
5 00:00 494 505.856 -0.41 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3
6 00:00 1.050 63.247 -0.45 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3
7 00:00 2.622 83.904 -0.59 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2
8 00:00 5.665 73.429 -0.66 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2
9 00:00 8.256 76.163 -0.57 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4
10 00:00 12.071 71.449 -0.51 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2
11 00:01 19.632 61.103 -0.42 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5
12 00:01 32.624 59.232 -0.42 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5 Kh1g1
13 00:01 57.046 58.356 -0.43 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2d4 Rf2d2 Nd4f5 Kh1g1 Bf8d6
14 00:02 112.365 57.502 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
15 00:04 187.649 56.135 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
16 00:06 316.024 54.783 -0.33 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
17 00:11 560.709 53.876 -0.29 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
18 00:24 1.262.156 53.883 -0.28 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 Ne1d3
19 00:38 2.001.084 54.663 -0.33 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 f7f5
20 01:13 3.948.433 55.659 -0.37 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8e7 Kh1g1 f7f5
21 02:13 7.859.223 60.637 -0.54 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8xe2 Nc3xe2 g7g6
22 03:52 14.692.426 64.923 -0.59 Qd2xg2 Ng4e3 Qg2f3 Qh5xf3+ Rf1xf3 Ne3xc2 Re1xe8 Rc8xe8 Rf3f2 Nc2e1 Rf2e2 Re8xe2 Nc3xe2 Ne1c2
1/8/2008 7:42:45 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:25, Rated time: 19:46
Even more amazing, look at this (we are at 27. about to move Kg2):
[d]2r2bk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3Q/1Pp2P2/P1N3P1/1BP4P/4rn1K w - - bm Kg2;
If you look at the pv, Rybka does not see the devastating reply f5! that is coming at move 29:
Code: Select all
Searching move: Kh1-g2
Best move (Rybkav2.3.2a.w32): Kh1-g2
identical moves! Found in: 00:00
5 00:00 1.591 95.834 -0.43 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2
6 00:00 2.807 89.824 -0.49 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2
7 00:00 7.620 70.935 -0.19 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4
8 00:00 10.182 66.409 -0.24 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4 h7h6
9 00:01 14.624 59.661 -0.25 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8d8 Nc3e4 h7h6 Bb2c3
10 00:01 33.442 60.717 -0.12 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re1f1 Qf3e2 Rf1g1
11 00:01 66.326 63.832 -0.37 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4
12 00:02 107.154 63.794 -0.41 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 Bf8e7
13 00:03 173.644 60.831 -0.21 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5f3 Re8d8 Nc3e4 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 Bf8e7 Ne4c3
14 00:10 625.785 63.971 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Ne3xc2 Qh5f5 Nc2d4 Qf5d7 Re1e7
15 00:14 815.009 62.834 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Bf8d6 Nc3e2 Ne3xc2 Ne2d4 Nc2xd4 Bb2xd4 Re1e4
16 00:21 1.352.454 65.505 -0.58 Kh1g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2h3 Rc8e8 Qh5g5 h7h6 Qg5h5 Bf8d6 Nc3e2 Ne3xc2 Ne2d4 Nc2xd4 Bb2xd4 Re1e4
17 01:28 5.438.147 63.391 -0.73 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Rd8d6 Kh3g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2 Qh5f3 Rd6h6
18 01:44 6.468.552 64.133 -0.67 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Nf1e3 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Qh5f3 Be7f6 Bb2xf6 Nd5xf6
19 02:28 9.616.749 66.811 -0.75 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5 Nf1e3 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Qh5f3 Be7f6 Bb2xf6 Nd5xf6
20 03:41 14.863.965 68.934 -0.78 Kh1g2 Rc8e8 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Qh5g5 Rd8d6 Kh3g2 Nf1e3+ Kg2f2 Ne3xc2 f4f5 Re1e8 Qg5d2 Nc2e3
1/8/2008 8:06:07 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:25, Rated time: 00:00
About this, I got this answer on the Rybka Forum:
Victor Zakharov wrote: Sorry, what trouble Rybka should see?
You put Rybka analysis but but don't say what is wrong with it.
Here is the game continuation and the analysis {notice that the moves are as predicted above until f5!}:
[d]2r2bk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3Q/1Pp2P2/P1N3P1/1BP3KP/4rn2 b - - bm Rce8;
[d]4rbk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P3Q/1Pp2P2/P1N3P1/1BP3KP/4rn2 w - - bm Qf3;
[d]4rbk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P4/1Pp2P2/P1N2QP1/1BP3KP/4rn2 b - - bm Ne3+;
[d]4rbk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P4/1Pp2P2/P1N1nQP1/1BP3KP/4r3 w - - bm Kh3;
Code: Select all
4) Kh3;
Searching move: Kg2-h3
Best move (Rybkav2.3.2a.w32): Kg2-h3
identical moves! Found in: 00:00
5 00:00 1.213 73.065 +0.07 Kg2h3 Re1f1
6 00:00 3.721 59.536 -0.25 Kg2h3 Re8d8 g3g4
7 00:00 4.868 63.099 -0.30 Kg2h3 Re8d8 g3g4 Ne3xc2
8 00:00 10.751 63.635 -0.37 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4
9 00:01 16.255 62.341 -0.41 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Nc3e2 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 Bf8e7
10 00:01 34.626 64.702 -0.32 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Nc3e4 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 f7f5 Ne4g5
11 00:01 45.605 62.183 -0.32 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Nc3e4 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 f7f5 Ne4g5 h7h6
12 00:01 72.444 61.613 -0.30 Kg2h3 Re8d8 Nc3e4 Ne3xd5 Bb2d4 f7f5 Ne4g5 h7h6 Qf3f2
13 00:14 875.843 63.629 -1.15 Kg2h3 f7f5 Kh3h4 Ne3xc2 Kh4h3 Re1e3 Qf3h5 Nc2d4 Qh5d1 Re3d3
14 00:16 957.349 63.628 -1.16 Kg2h3 f7f5 Kh3h4 Ne3xc2 Kh4h3 Re1e3 Qf3h5 Nc2d4 Qh5g5 Bf8e7 Qg5h5
15 00:25 1.541.383 62.896 -1.39 Kg2h3 f7f5 Kh3h4 Ne3xc2 d5d6 Bf8xd6 Qf3d5+ Re1e6 Bb2c1 g7g6 g3g4 Bd6e7+ g4g5 Be7f8
16 00:45 2.768.743 63.112 -1.94 Kg2h3 f7f5 a3a4 Re1f1 Qf3e2 Rf1h1 Qe2f3 Ne3g4 Qf3xh1 Ng4f2+ Kh3g2 Nf2xh1 a4xb5 a6xb5
17 00:47 2.879.555 63.091 -1.87 Kg2h3 f7f5 a3a4 Re1f1 Qf3e2 Rf1h1 Qe2f3 Ne3g4 Qf3xh1 Ng4f2+ Kh3g2 Nf2xh1 a4xb5 a6xb5
18 00:57 3.620.436 65.199 -2.19 Kg2h3 f7f5 Qf3f2 Ne3g4 Qf2f3 Re1h1 Qf3xh1 Ng4f2+ Kh3g2 Nf2xh1 Kg2xh1 Bf8e7 Kh1g2 Be7f6
19 01:14 4.717.431 65.735 -2.04 Kg2h3 f7f5 a3a4 Re1f1 Qf3h5 g7g6 Qh5e2 Rf1h1 Qe2f3 Ne3g4 Qf3xh1 Ng4f2+ Kh3g2 Nf2xh1
20 01:49 7.064.014 66.783 -2.22 Kg2h3 f7f5 a3a4 Re1f1 Qf3h5 g7g6 Qh5e2 Rf1h1 Qe2f3 Ne3g4 Qf3xh1 Ng4f2+ Kh3g2 Nf2xh1
21 02:59 12.059.015 69.202 -2.48 Kg2h3 f7f5 a3a4 Re1f1 Qf3h5 g7g6 Qh5e2 Rf1h1 Qe2f3 Ne3g4 Qf3xh1 Ng4f2+ Kh3g2 Nf2xh1
22 04:21 16.957.489 66.570 -2.41 Kg2h3 f7f5 a3a4 Re1f1 Qf3h5 g7g6 Qh5e2 Rf1h1 Qe2f3 Ne3g4 Qf3xh1 Ng4f2+ Kh3g2 Nf2xh1
1/8/2008 8:12:36 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:06:25, Rated time: 06:25
[code]
[D]4rbk1/5ppp/p7/1p1P4/1Pp2P2/P1N1nQPK/1BP4P/4r3 b - - bm f5;