CCT Is Better Than WCCC

[swami]

I think there is a compelling reason to have CCT type events to replace WCCC.

For several good and obvious reasons:

-CCT type events is easy to access, attracts many participants, (Currently it is 39, best was 60 something, If CCT is made to sound like WCCC, I’m sure there will be around 100 engines)

-Anyone around the globe can join the event without having to worry about the time difference problems.

-No need to travel far to Samoa Island just to meet people (who could make it in a race!) face to face and look at their friendly expression and keep them in memory for sentimental reason...

-This is computer chess where ‘engines’ play, so the online tournament is more apt for such events, human presence is only needed for the human tournaments where chances of cheating are minimal.

-financial reasons.

- creates more competition, good enough to find the winner out of many stronger engines as opposed to the finding the winner amongst 10 engines.(not a good way to award WCCC champ)

-most WCCC's happened in Europe, unfair to US and rest of the world...where there are fair amount of engines..

I couldn’t find any sensible reason provided by others who support WCCC type personal attendance tournaments.
Dont you think its time for an online WCCC?

[LJC]

I think there is a compelling reason to have CCT type events to replace WCCC.

For several good and obvious reasons:

-CCT type events is easy to access, attracts many participants, (Currently it is 39, best was 60 something, If CCT is made to sound like WCCC, I’m sure there will be around 100 engines)

-Anyone around the globe can join the event without having to worry about the time difference problems.

-No need to travel far to Samoa Island just to meet people (who could make it in a race!) face to face and look at their friendly expression and keep them in memory for sentimental reason...

-This is computer chess where ‘engines’ play, so the online tournament is more apt for such events, human presence is only needed for the human tournaments where chances of cheating are minimal.

-financial reasons.

- creates more competition, good enough to find the winner out of many stronger engines as opposed to the finding the winner amongst 10 engines.(not a good way to award WCCC champ)

-most WCCC's happened in Europe, unfair to US and rest of the world...where there are fair amount of engines..

I couldn’t find any sensible reason provided by others who support WCCC type personal attendance tournaments.
Dont you think its time for an online WCCC?

I think CCT is way better too for the above mentioned reasons. The WCCC does not seem to carry any weight or sense of urgency amongst the chess computer crowd. Look at what it meant say like 5 years ago and look at it now and you'll see what I mean. NOW look at what it meant 10 years ago and look at it now ... and even greater canyon

[swami]

I think there is a compelling reason to have CCT type events to replace WCCC.

For several good and obvious reasons:

-CCT type events is easy to access, attracts many participants, (Currently it is 39, best was 60 something, If CCT is made to sound like WCCC, I’m sure there will be around 100 engines)

-Anyone around the globe can join the event without having to worry about the time difference problems.

-No need to travel far to Samoa Island just to meet people (who could make it in a race!) face to face and look at their friendly expression and keep them in memory for sentimental reason...

-This is computer chess where ‘engines’ play, so the online tournament is more apt for such events, human presence is only needed for the human tournaments where chances of cheating are minimal.

-financial reasons.

- creates more competition, good enough to find the winner out of many stronger engines as opposed to the finding the winner amongst 10 engines.(not a good way to award WCCC champ)

-most WCCC's happened in Europe, unfair to US and rest of the world...where there are fair amount of engines..

I couldn’t find any sensible reason provided by others who support WCCC type personal attendance tournaments.
Dont you think its time for an online WCCC?

I think CCT is way better too for the above mentioned reasons. The WCCC does not seem to carry any weight or sense of urgency amongst the chess computer crowd. Look at what it meant say like 5 years ago and look at it now and you'll see what I mean. NOW look at what it meant 10 years ago and look at it now ... and even greater canyon

Agreed.

I dont see WCCC winner as a World Computer chess champ for the particular year... it is meaningless to me.

[mariaclara]

for lil ole me,

if CCC doesnt say so,

it isnt

[tano-urayoan]

But how to deal with the 3 strikes you are out (disconnections problems) or the different time zones between operators ( hard waking up at 3 am to switch on engine)

[Peter Skinner]

But how to deal with the 3 strikes you are out (disconnections problems) or the different time zones between operators ( hard waking up at 3 am to switch on engine)

The disconnection rule is there for a reason. Several actually.

1. So that your opponent doesn't have to continually resume a game.

2. Round times are scheduled based on estimated game run times. If someone is continually disconnected, _everyone_ has to wait for them to finish, which to me seems unfair.

3. Part of your entry into such events is based on your computer setup. The internet connection is an important part of the setup. If the engine fails, it is a loss. Same with the internet.

I have tried to address the time zone issue by switching it every year. If someone can get up at 3 am one year to participate, then I can do the same for them the next year.

Nothing is perfect, and we are trying to bridge the gap of travel fees, expenses, and time.

If everyone lived in the same time zone, then things would be different, but computer chess is a global sport.

Peter

[LJC]

I think there is a compelling reason to have CCT type events to replace WCCC.

For several good and obvious reasons:

-CCT type events is easy to access, attracts many participants, (Currently it is 39, best was 60 something, If CCT is made to sound like WCCC, I’m sure there will be around 100 engines)

-Anyone around the globe can join the event without having to worry about the time difference problems.

-No need to travel far to Samoa Island just to meet people (who could make it in a race!) face to face and look at their friendly expression and keep them in memory for sentimental reason...

-This is computer chess where ‘engines’ play, so the online tournament is more apt for such events, human presence is only needed for the human tournaments where chances of cheating are minimal.

-financial reasons.

- creates more competition, good enough to find the winner out of many stronger engines as opposed to the finding the winner amongst 10 engines.(not a good way to award WCCC champ)

-most WCCC's happened in Europe, unfair to US and rest of the world...where there are fair amount of engines..

I couldn’t find any sensible reason provided by others who support WCCC type personal attendance tournaments.
Dont you think its time for an online WCCC?

I think CCT is way better too for the above mentioned reasons. The WCCC does not seem to carry any weight or sense of urgency amongst the chess computer crowd. Look at what it meant say like 5 years ago and look at it now and you'll see what I mean. NOW look at what it meant 10 years ago and look at it now ... and even greater canyon

Agreed.

I dont see WCCC winner as a World Computer chess champ for the particular year... it is meaningless to me.

I KNOW, it's so damn ridiculous. It's sad to think THEY think it means something to a small select group of men stuck in an idea warp but the world KNOWS it means nothing!

[LJC]

I think there is a compelling reason to have CCT type events to replace WCCC.

For several good and obvious reasons:

-CCT type events is easy to access, attracts many participants, (Currently it is 39, best was 60 something, If CCT is made to sound like WCCC, I’m sure there will be around 100 engines)

-Anyone around the globe can join the event without having to worry about the time difference problems.

-No need to travel far to Samoa Island just to meet people (who could make it in a race!) face to face and look at their friendly expression and keep them in memory for sentimental reason...

-This is computer chess where ‘engines’ play, so the online tournament is more apt for such events, human presence is only needed for the human tournaments where chances of cheating are minimal.

-financial reasons.

- creates more competition, good enough to find the winner out of many stronger engines as opposed to the finding the winner amongst 10 engines.(not a good way to award WCCC champ)

-most WCCC's happened in Europe, unfair to US and rest of the world...where there are fair amount of engines..

I couldn’t find any sensible reason provided by others who support WCCC type personal attendance tournaments.
Dont you think its time for an online WCCC?

I think CCT is way better too for the above mentioned reasons. The WCCC does not seem to carry any weight or sense of urgency amongst the chess computer crowd. Look at what it meant say like 5 years ago and look at it now and you'll see what I mean. NOW look at what it meant 10 years ago and look at it now ... and even greater canyon

Agreed.

I dont see WCCC winner as a World Computer chess champ for the particular year... it is meaningless to me.

I KNOW, it's so damn ridiculous. It's sad to think THEY think it means something to a small select group of men stuck in an idea warp but the world KNOWS it means nothing!

"-No need to travel far to Samoa Island just to meet people (who could make it in a race!) face to face and look at their friendly expression and keep them in memory for sentimental reason... "

heehee, that's funny. This statement reminds me of Freddy Kreuger greeting the children with his loving hands ... :.)

[bob]

But how to deal with the 3 strikes you are out (disconnections problems) or the different time zones between operators ( hard waking up at 3 am to switch on engine)

1. Get a reliable connection. If it fails, that is just part of internet tournament play.

2. It is a lot easier to get up at 3am than it is to travel for 2 days, spend 8 days in an expensive venue, and travel back, blowing two weeks in the process... My alarm clock is not that expensive... and I just try to go to sleep earlier or else deal with being tired...

[Zach Wegner]

My alarm clock is not that expensive...

Yes, but it's the waking up to it that is the hard part...