WCCC Is Better Than CCT

[Ben Lau]

WCCC Is Better Than CCT

In CCT, all the games were played through the internet, so it's difficult to prevent cheating in the match. In other words, You can use any engine while playing.

In WCCC, it's totally different! Every engine's copyright shall be checked up by the auditor firstly. And no one can cheat.

So, I am afraid to say that the result of CCT said nothing.

[swami]

WCCC Is Better Than CCT

In CCT, all the games were played through the internet, so it's difficult to prevent cheating in the match. In other words, You can use any engine while playing.

In WCCC, it's totally different! Every engine's copyright shall be checked up by the auditor firstly. And no one can cheat.

So, I am afraid to say that the result of CCT said nothing.

Like allowing Grid chess to participate for example?

[hgm]

You seem to imply that GridChess would not be allowed to participate in CCT, if Kai had been interested enough to register for it, and Fabien and Thomas would give their consent. Does that assumption have any basis, or is it just whishful thinking?

[swami]

You seem to imply that GridChess would not be allowed to participate in CCT, if Kai had been interested enough to register for it, and Fabien and Thomas would give their consent. Does that assumption have any basis, or is it just whishful thinking?

In the first place, GridChess also contains Crafty,Even if these three authors give the permission for Kai to use it, then TD would not have accepted it as there were already Fruit and Crafty participating in the tournament.

If Crafty and Fruit were not playing in the CCT, whether or not allowing GridChess is entirely up to the decision of Peter. Else why was Toga/Cluster Toga never at CCT? you think that is due to lack of operators perhaps?

[Guetti]

WCCC Is Better Than CCT

In CCT, all the games were played through the internet, so it's difficult to prevent cheating in the match. In other words, You can use any engine while playing.

In WCCC, it's totally different! Every engine's copyright shall be checked up by the auditor firstly. And no one can cheat.

So, I am afraid to say that the result of CCT said nothing.

I think this is not how it works at WCCC. The engines are not generally checked whether they are genuine. i.e. Fritz entering WCCC doesn't have to show the sources.
The sources can however be checked by the TD or a commission if there is some strong suspicion that a certain engine is a clone, or, if the author disagrees, the engine is removed from the tournament. This could also happen in CCT.

In the end, computer chess is a gentleman sport. And the field of chess programmers is not too big to be manageable. Furthermore, new strong engines that appear from nowhere will also draw suspicion and are closely watched.

[Thomas Gaksch]

speaking only for toga. i have never tried to join any tournament. i have no interest to do so. peter can confirm that.

but i have also a question. why would it be allowed that Fabien enters with 2 engines (Fruit and Chess64) while Fruit and Toga together would not be allowed. double standards?
by the way for me it is absolutely ok that Fabien would be allowed to enter with 2 engines. I only want to say that in case of clones some people are not objective. for me it looks sometimes like a clone hysteria.

Thomas

[Mike S.]

In the end, computer chess is a gentleman sport.

ROFL! Do you really think that or did you forget the smiley?

Of course, there may be some who are more gentlemen, and others who are less. But when computer chess occasionally disguises as a sport, it certainly isn't less dirty than any other sport. Like all good parodies, it tries to include negative aspects but in a laughable manner.

[swami]

but i have also a question. why would it be allowed that Fabien enters with 2 engines (Fruit and Chess64) while Fruit and Toga together would not be allowed. double standards?

Fruit and Chess64 are completely different chess engines, this has been pointed out many times...in case you didn't know.

By the way, Keep improving the engine, your work on this is much appreciated, even if you can't register your engine in the tournaments, you could contribute to the comp chess with your strong legal derivatives, technological advancement and science as they say

[pedrox]

Hi Thomas, I agree with your words, but I see 1 problem with them.

We would limit the number of programs derived from one, for example of an original that can play one or two derivatives, otherwise we could find 15 derivatives Fruit-Toga in a tournament of 50 engines. It is a little what happens on Playchess.com, I have no motivation to enter Playchess.com because there are all rybka, zappa and little more.

That allow derivatives? Perhaps they should make a pre-tournament (or CCRL-CEGT...) and play the best or 2 better.

[Thomas Gaksch]

Fruit and Chess64 are completely different chess engines, this has been pointed out many times...in case you didn't know.

What is more different?
Chess64 = bitboard
Fruit = bitboard
new eval in Chess64
big eval changes in Fruit
or
Toga which is very near to Fruit 2.1 which is from 2005/06/17

looks like double standards.

Thomas