Humans v Engines

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Humans v Engines

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White to play and draw.
[d] 3k3r/8/8/rp1p1p1p/pPpPpPpP/P1P1P1P1/8/3K4 w - - 0 1


White to play and win.
[d] 8/p5p1/1pP3p1/p5p1/k3p3/4p3/K7/8 w - - 0 1


These are both easy for a human to solve but difficult or impossible for many engines. 8-)
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Re: Humans v Engines

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Jack Lad wrote:White to play and draw.
[d]3k3r/8/8/rp1p1p1p/pPpPpPpP/P1P1P1P1/8/3K4 w - - 0 1
OK that's just too easy for humans.

Shredder 8 does well too:

Analysis by Shredder 8:

1.Kd1-e1 Rh8-e8 2.Ke1-d1 Kd8-c8 3.Kd1-e1 Kc8-c7 4.Ke1-d1 Kc7-b7 5.Kd1-c1 Kb7-c8 6.Kc1-b1 Kc8-d8 7.Kb1-c2 Kd8-c8 8.Kc2-b2
=/+ (-0.27) Depth: 24/24 00:00:04 395kN
1.Kd1-c1 Kd8-c8
=/+ (-0.26) Depth: 24/24 00:00:04 438kN
1.Kd1-c1 Kd8-c8 2.Kc1-b1
=/+ (-0.26) Depth: 24/24 00:00:04 444kN
1.Kd1-c1 Rh8-e8 2.Kc1-b1 Kd8-e7
=/+ (-0.26) Depth: 25/25 00:00:05 550kN
...............
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1.Kd1-c1 Rh8-f8 2.b4xa5 Kd8-c8 3.Kc1-b2 Kc8-c7 4.a5-a6 Kc7-d8 5.a6-a7 Kd8-e7 6.a7-a8B
= (-0.21) Depth: 32/34 00:00:22 6555kN
1.Kd1-c1 Rh8-f8 2.Kc1-b1 Kd8-c8 3.Kb1-b2 Kc8-c7 4.Kb2-b1 Rf8-f6 5.Kb1-c1 Kc7-b7 6.Kc1-b1 Kb7-c6 7.Kb1-c1 Kc6-d6
=/+ (-0.27) Depth: 33/37 00:00:24 8341kN
1.Kd1-c1 Rh8-f8 2.Kc1-b1 Kd8-c8 3.Kb1-b2 Kc8-c7 4.Kb2-b1 Rf8-f6 5.Kb1-c1 Kc7-d6 6.Kc1-b1 Kd6-e6 7.Kb1-c1 Ke6-e7
=/+ (-0.27) Depth: 34/34 00:00:25 9172kN
1.Kd1-c1 Rh8-f8 2.Kc1-b1 Kd8-c8 3.Kb1-b2 Kc8-c7 4.Kb2-b1 Rf8-f6 5.Kb1-c1 Kc7-d6 6.Kc1-b1 Kd6-e6 7.Kb1-c1 Ke6-e7 8.Kc1-b1 Ke7-d7
=/+ (-0.27) Depth: 35/35 00:00:25 9572kN
1.Kd1-c1 Rh8-f8 2.Kc1-b1 Kd8-c8 3.Kb1-b2 Kc8-c7 4.Kb2-b1 Rf8-f6 5.Kb1-c1 Kc7-d6 6.Kc1-b1 Kd6-e6 7.Kb1-c1 Ke6-e7 8.Kc1-b1 Ke7-d7
=/+ (-0.27) Depth: 36/36 00:00:26 9800kN


White to play and win.
[d] 8/p5p1/1pP3p1/p5p1/k3p3/4p3/K7/8 w - - 0 1
Mate in 35.

[Event "??"]
[Site "??"]
[Date "2007.03.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "8/p5p1/1pP3p1/p5p1/k3p3/4p3/K7/8 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "69"]

1. c7 e2 2. c8=Q e1=Q 3. Qc4+ Qb4 4. Qc6+ Qb5 5. Qxe4+ Qb4 6. Qd3 g4 7. Qd7+
Qb5 8. Qxg4+ Qb4 9. Qd7+ Qb5 10. Qd4+ Qb4 11. Qd3 g5 12. Qd7+ Qb5 13. Qd4+ Qb4
14. Qd3 g6 15. Qd7+ Qb5 16. Qd4+ Qb4 17. Qd3 a6 18. Qd7+ Qb5 19. Qd4+ Qb4 20.
Qd3 g4 21. Qd7+ Qb5 22. Qxg4+ Qb4 23. Qd7+ Qb5 24. Qd4+ Qb4 25. Qd3 g5 26. Qd7+
Qb5 27. Qd4+ Qb4 28. Qd3 g4 29. Qd7+ Qb5 30. Qxg4+ Qb4 31. Qd7+ Qb5 32. Qd4+
Qb4 33. Qd3 b5 34. Qc2+ Qb3+ 35. Qxb3# 1-0
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Re: Humans v Engines

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George Tsavdaris wrote:White to play and win.
[d] 8/p5p1/1pP3p1/p5p1/k3p3/4p3/K7/8 w - - 0 1
Mate in 35.

1. c7 e2 2. c8=Q e1=Q 3. Qc4+ Qb4 4. Qc6+ Qb5 5. Qxe4+ Qb4 6. Qd3 g4 7. Qd7+
Qb5 8. Qxg4+ Qb4 9. Qd7+ Qb5 10. Qd4+ Qb4 11. Qd3 g5 12. Qd7+ Qb5 13. Qd4+ Qb4
14. Qd3 g6 15. Qd7+ Qb5 16. Qd4+ Qb4 17. Qd3 a6 18. Qd7+ Qb5 19. Qd4+ Qb4 20.
Qd3 g4 21. Qd7+ Qb5 22. Qxg4+ Qb4 23. Qd7+ Qb5 24. Qd4+ Qb4 25. Qd3 g5 26. Qd7+
Qb5 27. Qd4+ Qb4 28. Qd3 g4 29. Qd7+ Qb5 30. Qxg4+ Qb4 31. Qd7+ Qb5 32. Qd4+
Qb4 33. Qd3 b5 34. Qc2+ Qb3+ 35. Qxb3# 1-0
This says mate in 30. :shock:
Solução: 1.c7 e2 2.c8=D e1=D 3.Dc4+ Db4 4.Dc6+ Db5
(Claro que se 4... b5 5.Dc2+ Db3 6.Dxb3 # ) 5.Dxe4+ Db4 6.Dd3 !!
(Este é, na verdade, o lance-chave da solução! Até aquí tudo se resumiu no óbvio ululante, como diria Nelson Rodrigues... )
6... a6 (A Dama preta está imobilizada pois tem que impedir os mates brancos com Da3 e Db3.
Só resta às pretas, mover os Peões! E não pode ser 6... b5 pois seguiria 7.Dc2+ ganhando) 7.Dd7+
( E agora a Dama branca inicia uma série de movimentos repetidos para forçar o avanço e a perda dos Peões pretos.)
7... Db5 ( Claro que se 7... b5 8.Dd1+ ganhando ) 8.Dd4+ Db4 9.Dd3 A Dama branca volta a sua posição de espreita, a espera que outro Peão preto se movimente...)
9... g5 10.Dd7+ Db5 11.Dd4+ Db4 12.Dd3 g4 13.Dd7+ Db5 14. Dxg4+ Db4 15.Dd7+ Db5 16.Dd4+ Db4 17.Dd3 g6 18.Dd7+ Db5 19.Dd4+ Db4 20.Dd3 g5
21.Dd7+ Db5 22.Dd4+ Db4 23.Dd3 g4 24.Dd7+ Db5 25.Dxg4+ Db4 26.Dd7+ Db5 27.Dd4+ Db4 28.Dd3
( E agora as pretas são obrigadas a avancar o Peão para b5, o que decretará a morte do Rei preto!) 28... b5 29.Dc2+ Db3 30.Dxb3 # !!!
I say mate in 43. :wink:

1. c7 e2 2. c8=Q e1=Q 3. Qc4+ Qb4 4. Qc6+ Qb5 5. Qxe4+ Qb4 6. Qd3 g4 7. Qd7+ Qb5 8. Qxg4+ Qb4 9. Qd7+ Qb5 10. Qd4+ Qb4 11. Qd3 a6 12. Qd7+ Qb5 13. Qd4+ Qb4 14. Qd3 g5 15. Qd7+ Qb5 16. Qd4+ Qb4 17. Qd3 g4 18. Qd7+ Qb5 19. Qxg4+ Qb4 20. Qd7+ Qb5 21. Qd4+ Qb4 22. Qd3 g6 23. Qd7+ Qb5 24. Qd4+ Qb4 25. Qd3 g5 26. Qd7+ Qb5 27. Qd4+ Qb4 28. Qd3 g4 29. Qd7+ Qb5 30. Qxg4+ Qb4 31. Qd7+ Qb5 32. Qd4+ Qb4 33. Qd3 Qc3 34. Qxc3 Kb5 35. Kb3 a4+ 36. Ka3 a5 37. Qc2 Ka6 38. Qc6 Ka7 39. Kxa4 b5+ 40. Kxa5 b4 41. Qc7+ Ka8 42. Kb6 b3 43. Qc8+ 1-0
[d] k1Q5/8/1K6/8/8/1p6/8/8 b - - 1 43
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Re: Humans v Engines

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Jack Lad wrote: This says mate in 30. :shock:

Solução: 1.c7 e2 2.c8=D e1=D 3.Dc4+ Db4 4.Dc6+ Db5
(Claro que se 4... b5 5.Dc2+ Db3 6.Dxb3 # ) 5.Dxe4+ Db4 6.Dd3 !!
(Este é, na verdade, o lance-chave da solução! Até aquí tudo se resumiu no óbvio ululante, como diria Nelson Rodrigues... )
6... a6 (A Dama preta está imobilizada pois tem que impedir os mates brancos com Da3 e Db3.
Só resta às pretas, mover os Peões! E não pode ser 6... b5 pois seguiria 7.Dc2+ ganhando) 7.Dd7+
( E agora a Dama branca inicia uma série de movimentos repetidos para forçar o avanço e a perda dos Peões pretos.)
7... Db5 ( Claro que se 7... b5 8.Dd1+ ganhando ) 8.Dd4+ Db4 9.Dd3 A Dama branca volta a sua posição de espreita, a espera que outro Peão preto se movimente...)
9... g5 10.Dd7+ Db5 11.Dd4+ Db4 12.Dd3 g4 13.Dd7+ Db5 14. Dxg4+ Db4 15.Dd7+ Db5 16.Dd4+ Db4 17.Dd3 g6 18.Dd7+ Db5 19.Dd4+ Db4 20.Dd3 g5
21.Dd7+ Db5 22.Dd4+ Db4 23.Dd3 g4 24.Dd7+ Db5 25.Dxg4+ Db4 26.Dd7+ Db5 27.Dd4+ Db4 28.Dd3
( E agora as pretas são obrigadas a avancar o Peão para b5, o que decretará a morte do Rei preto!) 28... b5 29.Dc2+ Db3 30.Dxb3 # !!!
That one is very unclear since it is not a valid format of PGN.
Also that one has 6...a6 as the best defense for black which isn't while it is the 6...g4 which prolongs the game.....
After his son's birth they've asked him:
"Is it a boy or girl?"
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