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Engine Test......Alekhine Move

Post by rightrook »

[d]rn1rb1k1/pq2bppp/4p3/2p1N3/4PQ2/1PB3P1/P4PBP/2R2RK1 w - - 0 1


Here white (Alekhine) plays...Ng4....prepares for Bxg7...etc.

Hiarcs 11.2 finds Ng4 in 31 seconds!

Some engines play Nc4, but Ng4 is the best!..... :D

regards

Robert
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move

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HIARCSPB2007 in 12.

CPU0: AuthenticAMD x86 Family 6 Model 10 Stepping 0 2133 MHz
HIARCS Paderborn 2007 SP Copyright (c) 2008 Applied Computer Concepts Ltd. All rights reserved. www.hiarcs.com
Engine: HIARCS Paderborn 2007 SP (64 MB)
by Mark John Uniacke
8/20 0:00 +1.19 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Ne7 4.e5 (123.015) 237
9/21 0:00 +1.37 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Rdb8 4.Rfd1 Qa6 5.Rd2 (188.677) 224
10/21 0:01 +1.44 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Rdb8 4.e5 h5 5.Qg5 h4 6.gxh4 (311.728) 224
11/22 0:02 +1.38 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Qa6 4.Bxd8 Rxd8 5.Ra1 Nd4 6.Rfe1 Bc6 (558.840) 233
12/26 0:06 +1.26 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bb5 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.f4 Nc6 5.e5 Qa6 6.Rf2 Bxc4 7.Rxc4 (1.518.485) 225
12/30 0:12 +1.27 1.Ng4 (2.442.286) 197
12/30 0:16 +1.27 1.Ng4 Qb6 (3.319.281) 204
13/32 0:29 +1.52++ 1.Ng4 (6.164.775) 211
13/37 1:00 +1.96 1.Ng4 Bc6 2.Qe5 Bf8 3.Nh6+ Kh8 4.Qf4 Rd7 5.Bh3 Na6 6.Rcd1 Re7 (12.893.376) 214
14/37 1:36 +2.21++ 1.Ng4 (20.770.869) 215
14/37 1:48 +2.39 1.Ng4 Bc6 2.Qe5 Bf8 3.Rfd1 Na6 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Qh5 Rxd1+ 6.Rxd1 (23.445.842) 216

best move: Ne5-g4 time: 2:03.968 min n/s: 216.732 nodes: 26.825.545

HIARCS 12 with Sharpen PV ON takes 2:52 :( (I consider this time unreasonable.)

Engine: HIARCS 12 SP Sharp (64 MB)
by Mark John Uniacke
8/20 0:00 +1.06 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Ne7 4.Rfd1 Bc6 (119.359) 227
9/21 0:00 +1.30 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bc6 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.Rcd1 (188.145) 218
10/22 0:01 +1.12 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bc6 3.f3 Na6 4.Na5 Qc7 (308.471) 213
11/26 0:04 +1.00 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Ne7 4.Rfd1 Qa6 5.Rxd8 Rxd8 (921.144) 214
12/28 0:10 +1.19 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bb5 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.e5 Bc6 5.Na5 Qb5 6.Nxc6 Nxc6 7.Rfd1 (2.188.917) 214
13/28 0:16 +1.03 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 5.Rxd1 Qa6 6.Rd2 Kh8 (3.524.396) 218
14/31 0:47 +0.99 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.e5 Rd4 5.f4 Kh8 6.Bg5 Qa6 7.Ra1 Rb8 8.Rfc1 h6 (10.141.990) 213
15/31 1:44 +0.89 1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Nc6 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.f4 Qa6 5.Rf2 Nb4 (21.035.760) 202
15/36 2:52 +0.90 1.Ng4 (33.017.557) 191
15/36 3:18 +1.24++ 1.Ng4 (37.101.244) 187

best move: Ne5-g4 time: 8:02.144 min n/s: 189.074 nodes: 91.110.151
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move....thanks

Post by rightrook »

Thanks...! This must be a very good test move....Not very many replies or results posted... :lol:

My Junior 10 takes about 5 minutes to find Ng4....:-)

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Robert
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move....thanks

Post by El Gringo »

Hi,

Analysis by Toga II 1.4 beta5c 2CPU

13/32 0:01 +0.99 1.Dg4 g6 2.Df4 g5 3.Dg4 Pc6 4.Pf3 h6 5.Dh5 Pd4 6.Pe5 f6 7.Pg6 (1.440.871) 1719
14/31 0:03 +1.23 1.Dg4 g6 2.Df4 g5 3.Dg4 Pc6 4.Pf3 h6 5.h4 Pd4 6.Lxd4 cxd4 7.hxg5 h5 8.Df4 (3.303.659) 1735
15/32 0:07 +1.23 1.Dg4 Lf8 2.Pc4 Pc6 3.Lf6 Td7 4.Tc2 Kh8 5.Lc3 Pd4 6.e5 Da6 7.Lxa8 Pxc2 (6.599.752) 1780
16/32 0:15 +1.41 1.Dg4 Lf8 2.Pc4 Da6 3.Lf6 Td7 4.Pe5 Td2 5.Tcd1 Td4 6.a4 Kh8 7.Lg5 Pc6 (13.778.339) 1777
17/38 0:29 +1.07 1.Dg4 Lf8 2.Pc4 Pc6 3.Lf6 Td3 4.Tfd1 Txd1+ 5.Txd1 Da6 6.Td2 Pd4 7.e5 Lc6 8.Pd6 Lxg2 9.Kxg2 Dc6+ 10.f3 Pxf3 11.Dxf3 Dxf3+ 12.Kxf3 gxf6 13.exf6 Lxd6 14.Txd6 (26.691.409) 1777
17/41 0:30 +1.16 1.Dg4 Lf8 2.Pc4 Pc6 3.Lf6 Td3 4.Tfd1 Txd1+ 5.Txd1 Da6 6.Td2 Pd4 7.Pe5 Kh8 8.Lf1 Db7 9.Lg5 (27.332.508) 1781
18/41 0:57 +1.16 1.Dg4 Lf8 2.Pc4 Pc6 3.Lf6 Td7 4.f4 Da6 5.Tf2 Tb8 6.Pe5 Da3 7.Tfc2 Pxe5 8.Lxe5 (52.807.291) 1809
19/44 1:40 +1.18 1.Dg4 Lf8 2.Pc4 Pc6 3.Lf6 Td7 4.f4 Da6 5.Tf2 Kh8 6.Lc3 Pd4 7.e5 Tb8 8.Le4 Le7 9.Td1 (91.936.424) 1823
19/52 5:53 +1.58 1.Pg4 Pc6 2.Lxg7 Kxg7 3.Dh6+ Kg8 4.e5 Td4 5.f4 f6 6.Pxf6+ Lxf6 7.exf6 Tc8 8.Txc5 Td7 9.Tfc1 Tdc7 10.Le4 Db6 11.g4 Pd4 12.Txc7 Txc7 (329.300.713) 1865 :)
19/52 7:36 +1.95 1.Pg4 Pc6 2.Lxg7 Kxg7 3.Dh6+ Kg8 4.e5 Td4 5.f4 f6 6.Pxf6+ Lxf6 7.exf6 Tc8 8.Dg5+ Lg6 9.h4 Kh8 10.Dxc5 Te4 11.Dd6 Dc7 12.Dxc7 Txc7 13.Lxe4 Lxe4 (433.689.590) 1884

Best
Johan
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move....thanks

Post by Oscar L »

Here is another one


rn1rb1k1/pq2bppp/4p3/2p1N3/4PQ2/1PB3P1/P4PBP/2R2RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Chess Tiger 2007.1 :

1.f3 f6 2.Nc4
+- (1.94) Depth: 1 00:00:00
1.f3 f6 2.Nc4
+- (1.94) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.f3 f6 2.Nc4
+- (1.94) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Rfd1 Nd7 2.f3 Nxe5 3.Rxd8 Rxd8 4.Qxe5
+- (1.76) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Rfd1 Nd7 2.f3 Nxe5 3.Rxd8 Rxd8 4.Qxe5
+- (1.76) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Rfd1 Nc6 2.Bf3 Nxe5 3.Bxe5
+- (1.60) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.f3 Nc6 2.Rf2 Nd4 3.Bb2
+- (1.84) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.f3 Nc6 2.Rf2 Nd4 3.Bb2 Bd6 4.Qg5
+- (1.50) Depth: 6 00:00:00 18kN
1.Qg4 Bf6 2.Ba5 Rc8 3.Bc3
+- (1.90) Depth: 6 00:00:00 37kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 3.Rxd1 Nc6 4.Qg5 Nxe5 5.Bxe5
+- (1.90) Depth: 7 00:00:00 84kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Rfd1 Nc6 3.Rxd8 Rxd8 4.f4 Nxe5 5.Bxe5
+- (1.60) Depth: 8 00:00:00 123kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.f3 Bb5 3.Rf2 Nc6 4.Bf1 Nxe5 5.Bxe5
+- (1.58) Depth: 9 00:00:00 233kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.f3 Bb5 3.Rf2 Nc6 4.Bf1 Bxf1 5.Nxc6 Rd3 6.Kxf1 Qxc6
+- (1.62) Depth: 10 00:00:01 405kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.f3 Bb5 3.Rf2 Nc6 4.Bf1 Bxf1 5.Rcxf1 Nxe5 6.Bxe5
+- (1.66) Depth: 11 00:00:01 730kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bb5 3.e5 Nc6 4.Nd6 Rxd6 5.exd6 Bxf1 6.Kxf1 Rd8 7.Rd1
+- (1.60) Depth: 12 00:00:02 1341kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bb5 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.e5 Nc6 5.Nd6 Rxd6 6.exd6 Bxf1 7.Kxf1
+- (1.80) Depth: 13 00:00:03 2429kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bb5 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.e5 Bc6 5.Na5 Qb5 6.Nxc6 Nxc6 7.Be4 Rd2 8.Rc2
+- (1.76) Depth: 14 00:00:04 3637kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bb5 3.Bf6 Rd3 4.e5 Bc6 5.Na5 Qb6 6.Be4 Bxe4 7.Qxe4 gxf6 8.Qxa8 Qxa5 9.Qxb8 Qxa2
+- (1.78) Depth: 15 00:00:06 5594kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bc6 3.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 4.Rxd1 Qc7 5.Ne5 Bb7 6.f4 Qe7 7.Rd3 Qf6 8.Nd7 Qg6 9.Qf3
+- (1.78) Depth: 16 00:00:10 9914kN
1.Qg4 Bf8 2.Nc4 Bc6 3.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 4.Rxd1 Qc7 5.Ne5 Bb7 6.f4 a5 7.Qh5 a4 8.Rd7 Nxd7 9.Qxf7+ Kh8 10.Nxd7
+- (1.67) Depth: 17 00:00:19 19409kN
1.Nc4 Bf8 2.e5 Bc6 3.Na5 Qa6 4.Be4 Bxe4 5.Qxe4 Rd5 6.Rfd1 Nd7 7.Rxd5 exd5 8.Qxd5 Qh6 9.f4
+- (1.72) Depth: 17 00:00:52 52931kN
1.Ng4 Bc6 2.Qe5 Bf8 3.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 4.Rxd1 f6 5.Qxe6+ Qf7 6.Qxf7+ Kxf7 7.e5 Bxg2 8.Kxg2 c4 9.bxc4 f5 10.Ne3
+- (2.57) Depth: 17 00:01:30 96334kN

1.Ng4 Bc6 2.Qe5 Bf8 3.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 4.Rxd1 f6 5.Qxe6+ Qf7 6.Qxf7+ Kxf7 7.e5 Bxg2 8.Kxg2 f5 9.Ne3 g6 10.f4 Bg7 11.e6+
+- (2.68) Depth: 18 00:01:48 117mN
1.Ng4 Bc6 2.Qe5 Bf8 3.Rfd1 Rc8 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bh3 Qe7 6.Nxf7+ Qxf7 7.Bxe6 Qc7 8.Bxc8 Qxc8 9.f3 Qe8 10.Qf5
+- (2.50) Depth: 19 00:02:47 189mN
1.Ng4 Bc6 2.Qe5 Bf8 3.Nh6+ Kh8 4.Qh5 Rd7 5.Rfd1 f6 6.Bh3 Rxd1+ 7.Rxd1 Qe7 8.Qf7 Qxf7 9.Nxf7+
+- (2.70) Depth: 20 00:05:47 413mN
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move

Post by jdart »

Arasan finds this difficult (not solved in 5min, although on a slow machine).

If I may ask, what Alekhine game is this from?

--Jon
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move

Post by Marek Soszynski »

Alekhine/Monosson - Stoltz/Reilly [E17]
Nice consult Nice, 1931

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Bb7 5.Bg2 Be7 6.0-0 0-0 7.b3 Qc8 8.Nc3 d5 9.cxd5 Nxd5 10.Bb2 c5 11.Rc1 Nxc3 12.Bxc3 Rd8 13.Qd2 Bd5 14.Qf4 Qb7 15.dxc5 bxc5 16.e4 Bc6 17.Ne5 Be8 18.Ng4 Na6 19.Bxg7 1-0
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move

Post by Marek Soszynski »

39062: Alekhine/Monosson - Stoltz/Reilly, Nice consult 1931
[d]rn1rb1k1/pq2bppp/4p3/2p1N3/4PQ2/1PB3P1/P4PBP/2R2RK1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II:

18.Qg4 g6 19.Qf4 g5 20.Qg4 Nc6 21.Nf3 h6 22.Qh3 Kh7
+/- (0.83) Depth: 8/22 00:00:01 165kN
+/- (0.98) Depth: 13/36 00:00:12 7095kN
18.Ng4 Bc6 19.Qe5 Bf8 20.Rcd1 Na6 21.Nh6+ Kh8 22.Qh5 Be8 23.e5 Rd5 24.Ng4 f5 25.Bxd5
+/- (1.14) Depth: 13/45 00:00:32 19309kN
+/- (1.34) Depth: 16/51 00:03:43 139mN

(Soszynski, 07.04.2008)
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move....thanks

Post by Marc MP »

rightrook wrote:Thanks...! This must be a very good test move....Not very many replies or results posted... :lol:

My Junior 10 takes about 5 minutes to find Ng4....:-)

regards

Robert
In my opinion Robert, a very good test move plus the fact that is being played by noless than Alekhine gives it an extra value to my eyes!! Here are the results from several programs on my pentium 3.2gzh:

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Chess Tiger 2007 - Gambit:
...
00:00:42.4	1,68	18	27085148	Qg4 Bf8 Nc4 Bc6 Rfd1 Qe7 Na5 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Qe8 Nxc6 Nxc6 f4 Nd4 Qg5 
00:01:18.8	2,48	18	51751447	Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 Nf6+ Bxf6 exf6 Rg4 Be4 Rg6 Bxg6 fxg6 Rxc5 
00:01:26.9	2,02	19	57484730	Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 f4 Rd2 Be4 f5 Qxe6+ Kg7 Qxf5 
00:02:36.5	2,36	20	102913870	Ng4 Bc6 Qe5 Bf8 Nh6+ Kh8 Qh5 Rd7 Rcd1 f6 Bh3 Rxd1 Rxd1 Qe7 Nf7+ Kg8 Nd6 Nd7 f3 
00:04:56.9	2,38	21	165169751	Ng4 Bc6 Qe5 Bf8 Nh6+ Kh8 Qh5 Rd7 Rcd1 f6 Bh3 Rxd1 Rxd1 Qe7 Nf7+ Kg8 Nd8 Be8 

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Pro Deo 1.2 - Rebel:
...
00:07:12.9	0,78	15	299364016	Qg4 Bf8 f4 Nc6 Nc4 Qa6 
00:15:13.2	0,78	15	644837972	Ng4 
00:15:38.9	0,79	15	664153747	Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 Qh6+ Kg8 e5 Rd4 f4 

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Strelka 2.0B
... 
00:48:36.1	1,30	19	2175366428	Qg4 g6 Qf4 Nc6 Nxc6 Qxc6 e5 Qb5 Bxa8 Rxa8 Rfd1 Bc6 Rc2 Rb8 f3 Bd5 Rb2 Qc6 Rd3 Rd8 Rbd2 Qb5

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Glaurung 2.0.1
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00:10:07.0	0,98	19	266802830	Qg4 Bf8 Nc4 Nc6 Bf6 Rd7 Rc2 Qa6 Ne5 Nxe5 Bxe5 Kh8 Bc3 f6 Re1 Rad8 Bf1 Qb6 Bc4 Bf7 
00:16:06.2	1,01	19	423220925	Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 f4 f6 Nxf6+ Bxf6 Rxc5 Rc8 exf6 Rd2 Be4 Qd7 Kh1 Rxa2 Rg5+ Bg6 Bxg6 hxg6 Rxg6+ Kf7 
00:30:20.7	1,56	20	803114201	Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 f4 f6 Nxf6+ Bxf6 Qxf6 Qd7 f5 Rc8 fxe6 Qg7 Qxg7+ Kxg7 Rxc5 Ne7 Rxc8 Nxc8 Rf4 Rd2 
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Re: Engine Test......Alekhine Move

Post by BBauer »

Hi,

glaurung2.01 took a long think. To find out that Ng4 is better than Qg4 and to get a score of +203 it took 2044 sec.
Here some output on an AMD X2 5200+ running with 512 MB hash on 2 procs.

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15 +129 633 13097364 Qg4 g6 Qf4 g5 Qf3 Nc6 Ng4 Nd4 Nf6+ Kf8 Nxh7+ Kg7 Bxd4+ cxd4 Qh5 f6 Qh3
16 +123 1202 25831767 Qg4 g6 Qf4 g5 Qf3 Nc6 Ng4 Nd4 Nf6+ Kf8 Nxh7+ Kg7 Qh5 f6 Qh3 Ne2+ Kh1 Nxc1 Rxc1
16 +150 3114 72220484 Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 Nf6+ Bxf6 exf6 Rg4 Be4 Rg6 Bxg6 fxg6 Rxc5
17 +123 3618 83627539 Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 Nf6+ Bxf6 exf6 Rg4 Be4 Rg6 Bxg6 fxg6 Rxc5 Nd4
18 +90 5907 139697900 Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 Nf6+ Bxf6 exf6 Rg4 Be4 Rg6 Bxg6 fxg6 Rxc5 Nd4 Qe3 Nf3+ Kh1
18 +121 6820 160421615 Qg4 g6 Qf4 g5 Qf3 Nc6 Ng4 Nd4 Nf6+ Kf8 Bxd4 cxd4 Nxh7+ Kg7 Qh5 f6 Qh3 Bb5 Rfd1
19 +127 10422 252969371 Qg4 g6 Qf4 g5 Qf3 Nc6 Ng4 Nd4 Nf6+ Kf8 Nxh7+ Kg7 Qh5 f6 Qh3 Ne2+ Kh1 Nxc3 Rxc3 Bc6 f3
20 +105 27263 671273893 Qg4 Bf8 Nc4 Nc6 Bf6 Rd7 f4 Qa6 Rf2 Kh8 Bc3 Nd4 e5 Rad8 Be4 g6 Ba5 Rb8 Rd2 Kg8
21 +105 47820 1189209522 Qg4 Bf8 Nc4 Nc6 Bf6 Rd7 f4 Qa6 f5 exf5 exf5 Kh8 Bc3 Rdd8 Rfd1 f6 a3 Bf7 Qh4 Bxc4 Qxc4 Qxc4 bxc4
22 +90 97773 2472750903 Qg4 Bf8 Nc4 Nc6 Bf6 Rd7 f4 Qa6 f5 exf5 exf5 Kh8 Bc3 f6 Rfe1 Bf7 Na5 Bd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Nxc6 Qxc6 Rcd1
22 +203 204413 5268536714 Ng4 Nc6 Bxg7 Kxg7 e5 Rd4 Qh6+ Kg8 f4 f6 Nxf6+ Bxf6 Qxf6 Qd7 f5 Rc8 fxe6 Qg7 Qxg7+ Kxg7 Rxc5 Rdd8 Rfc1 Ne7 Rxc8 Rxc8 Rxc8 Nxc8
kind regards
Bernhard