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Who else finds g5??

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[d]r2qr1k1/3b1pbp/2p3p1/1pRp4/p2P4/P3PN2/QP2BPPP/5RK1 b - - 0 18

This position was reached in a 10 minute game between Shredder 11 vs. Hiracs 11 (SP), played on a 32bit 3Ghz (HT) system. Other than the fact that white's queen is somewhat misplaced on the a2 square, white does not look to bad.

Most engines that I had look at this position prefer Bf8, Rc8 or Qb6 for black in the position posted above. This fact proved true even on my 64bit Core2Duo system. So I was surprised when watching this game when Hiarcs 11 played g5!! and went on to win the game. I gave the position to the latest version of Hiarcs 12 (MP) and it also favors g5 as well.

The game followed with ...g5, Bd3 g4, Ne1 Qg5 and black went on to win from the position below:

[d]r3r1k1/3b1pbp/2p5/1pRp2q1/p2P2p1/P2BP3/QP3PPP/4NRK1 w - - 0 21
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kgburcham
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Re: Who else finds g5??

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[d] r2qr1k1/3b1pbp/2p3p1/1pRp4/p2P4/P3PN2/QP2BPPP/5RK1 b - -

Deep Shredder 11

13/27 0:00 -0.19 1...Bf8 2.Rc2 Bd6 3.Rfc1 Qf6 4.h3 Ra6 5.Rc3 h6 (2.040.101) 2559
14/27 0:02 -0.20 1...Bf8 2.Rc2 Bd6 3.Rfc1 Qf6 4.h3 Ra6 5.Rc3 Rb6 6.Ne1 Bc7 7.Nd3 h5 (5.477.680) 2539
15/31 0:15 -0.15 1...Bf8 2.Rc2 Bd6 3.Rfc1 Qf6 4.h3 Ra6 5.Rc3 Rb6 6.Ne1 h6 7.Nd3 Bf5 8.Qb1 Bc7 9.Qc2 Re6 10.Bg4 Bxg4 11.hxg4 (38.405.312) 2502
15/35 0:17 -0.17 1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Ne1 Bf8 4.Rc1 Qg5 (44.981.747) 2518
16/35 0:21 -0.33 1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Ne1 Bf8 4.Rc1 Qg5 5.Nc2 Bd6 6.g3 Ra6 7.Qb1 Bf5 8.Nb4 Bxd3 9.Nxd3 Qf5 10.Qc2 Qf3 11.Qd1 Qxd1 12.Rfxd1 Kg7 (55.014.037) 2549
17/39 0:28 -0.21 1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Ne1 Bf8 4.Rc2 Qh4 (72.860.268) 2553
18/38 1:01 -0.40 1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Ne1 Bf8 4.Rc2 b4 5.axb4 Bxb4 6.g3 a3 7.Ng2 Qe7 8.Rb1 Ra5 9.Nf4 Rea8 10.bxa3 Rxa3 11.Qb2 R8a4 12.Rbc1 f5 13.Rb1 (160.974.100) 2626
19/40 1:28 -0.21 1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Ne1 Bf8 4.Rc1 Qg5 5.Qb1 Qh5 6.Be2 Bd6 7.g3 Rac8 8.Nd3 Bf5 9.Rc3 b4 10.axb4 Bxb4 11.Rcc1 Qg6 12.Qc2 a3 13.Ra1 Qd6 (231.369.111) 2619
19/45 2:37 -0.25 1...Qb6 2.Rc3 f6 3.Ra1 Bf8 4.Ne1 b4 5.axb4 Bxb4 6.Rc2 Bxe1 7.Rxe1 Reb8 8.Qa1 Qb4 9.Qc1 a3 10.bxa3 Rxa3 11.Rd1 Ra5 12.h3 Kg7 13.Rc3 (412.688.085) 2618
20/45 3:39 -0.34 1...Qb6 2.Rc3 f6 3.Ra1 Bf8 4.Ne1 b4 5.axb4 Bxb4 6.Rcc1 Bxe1 7.Rxe1 Reb8 8.Qa3 Qb4 9.Bf3 Qxa3 10.bxa3 Rb3 11.Bd1 Rb6 12.Rc1 Kf7 13.Kf1 Bf5 14.Ke2 (582.963.740) 2654
21/45 4:20 -0.37 1...Qb6 2.Rc3 f6 3.Ra1 Bf8 4.Ne1 b4 5.axb4 Bxb4 6.Rcc1 Bxe1 7.Rxe1 Reb8 8.Qa3 Qb4 9.Bf3 Qxa3 10.bxa3 Rb3 11.Bd1 Rb6 12.Rc1 Kf7 13.Kf1 Bf5 14.Ke2 Ke6 (700.905.125) 2687
22/50 6:41 -0.40 1...Qb6 2.Rc3 f6 3.Ra1 Bf8 4.Ne1 b4 5.axb4 Bxb4 6.Rcc1 Bxe1 7.Rxe1 Reb8 8.Qa3 Qxb2 9.Qd6 Rb7 10.Bd3 Qb4 11.Qxf6 Qf8 12.Qe5 a3 13.Reb1 Rxb1+ 14.Rxb1 a2 (1.098.242.984) 2736
23/53 9:29 -0.33 1...Qb6 2.Rc3 f6 3.Ra1 Bf8 4.Ne1 b4 5.axb4 Bxb4 6.Rcc1 Bxe1 7.Rxe1 Reb8 8.Qa3 Qxb2 9.Qd6 Ra7 10.Bd3 Qb4 11.Qxf6 Rf8 12.Qg5 Bf5 13.Reb1 Qd6 14.Bxf5 (1.573.650.084) 2761
24/57 21:26 -0.40 1...Qb6 2.Rc3 f6 3.Ra1 Bf8 4.Ne1 b4 5.axb4 Bxb4 6.Rcc1 Bxe1 7.Rxe1 Reb8 8.Qa3 Qxb2 9.Qd6 Ra7 10.Qxf6 a3 11.h4 a2 12.h5 Rf8 13.Qd6 Qa3 14.Qe5 (3.592.117.500) 2792
best move: Qd8-b6 time: 23:23.813 min n/s: 2.796.407 CPU 397.7% n/s(1CPU): 703.144 nodes: 3.925.546.219
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Eelco de Groot
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Re: Who else finds g5??

Post by Eelco de Groot »

Glaurung is not as enthusiastic about the move as Hiarcs, Glaurung in three best mode finds it at 19 plies in third spot, at twenty plies it is the first choice, then it drops again and now at 24 plies it is finally on top again, with g4 and Qg5, but only with a small margin:


r2qr1k1/3b1pbp/2p3p1/1pRp4/p2P4/P3PN2/QP2BPPP/5RK1 b - -

Engine: Glaurung 2.1 (JA) (32-bit, Athlon 2009 MHz, 256 MB)
by Tord Romstad

24 235:45 +0.39 1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Ne1 Qg5 4.g3 Re6
5.Ng2 Rh6 6.Nf4 Bf8 7.Rc3 Bd6 8.Be2 Re8
9.Re1 Bxf4 10.exf4 Qf6 11.Re3 Re4
12.Rxe4 dxe4 13.Rd1 Qe6 14.Qb1 (9.293.489.353) 656

24 235:45 +0.29 1...Bf8 2.Rc3 Bd6 3.Rfc1 Qf6 4.R3c2 Rab8
5.Bd3 Rb6 6.Rc3 Bg4 7.Be2 Bf5 8.Rd1 Bd7
9.Bd3 Qg7 10.Rdc1 Qh6 11.Qb1 Bg4
12.Ne5 Rxe5 13.dxe5 Bxe5 (9.293.489.353) 656

24 235:45 +0.23 1...Qf6 2.Rfc1 Bf8 3.Ne5 Rxe5 4.dxe5 Qxe5
5.R5c2 Rb8 6.g3 Qe6 7.Rd2 Bd6 8.Bf1 Qf6
9.Bg2 Re8 10.Qb1 Qg5 11.Qc2 Qe5
12.e4 d4 13.f4 Qf6 (9.293.489.353) 656

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Re: Who else finds g5??

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AdminX wrote:[d]r2qr1k1/3b1pbp/2p3p1/1pRp4/p2P4/P3PN2/QP2BPPP/5RK1 b - - 0 18

This position was reached in a 10 minute game between Shredder 11 vs. Hiracs 11 (SP), played on a 32bit 3Ghz (HT) system. Other than the fact that white's queen is somewhat misplaced on the a2 square, white does not look to bad.

Most engines that I had look at this position prefer Bf8, Rc8 or Qb6 for black in the position posted above. This fact proved true even on my 64bit Core2Duo system. So I was surprised when watching this game when Hiarcs 11 played g5!! and went on to win the game. I gave the position to the latest version of Hiarcs 12 (MP) and it also favors g5 as well.

The game followed with ...g5, Bd3 g4, Ne1 Qg5 and black went on to win from the position below:

[d]r3r1k1/3b1pbp/2p5/1pRp2q1/p2P2p1/P2BP3/QP3PPP/4NRK1 w - - 0 21
g5 is the only move Crafty considers here... I did not look at it carefully, but there must be some forcing reason why that is the right move...
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Re: Who else finds g5??

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Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: BaronUci

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (BaronUci): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 03:21
      6	00:00	      53.072	53.072.000	+0.12	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Qd8h4 Rf1c1
      6	00:00	      61.889	61.889.000	+0.12	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Qd8h4 Rf1c1
      7	00:00	     130.259	130.259.000	-0.02	g6g5 h2h3 Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Be2d3 Qd8f6
      7	00:00	     147.975	147.975.000	+0.10	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 b5b4 Rc3c1 b4b3 Qa2b1 Qd8c7
      7	00:01	     168.513	168.513.000	+0.10	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 b5b4 Rc3c1 b4b3 Qa2b1 Qd8c7
      8	00:01	     216.166	216.166.000	+0.02	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 b2b4
      8	00:01	     386.380	38.638.000	+0.02	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 b2b4
      9	00:02	     496.776	49.677.600	+0.14	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 h2h3 Kg8g7
      9	00:02	     605.680	60.568.000	+0.14	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 h2h3 Kg8g7
     10	00:03	     937.732	46.886.600	+0.10	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 h2h3 Qf6g7 Rc2c3 Qg7h6 b2b4
     10	00:04	   1.444.831	36.120.775	+0.10	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 h2h3 Qf6g7 Rc2c3 Qg7h6 b2b4
     11	00:06	   1.941.541	38.830.820	+0.10	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 Rc2d2 Kg8g7 h2h3 Re8h8
     11	00:10	   3.440.195	34.401.950	+0.10	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 Rc2d2 Kg8g7 h2h3 Re8h8
     12	00:14	   4.660.670	35.851.307	+0.07	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 Rc2d2 Kg8h7 h2h3 Kh7g7 b2b4
     12	00:32	  10.793.002	33.728.131	+0.07	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 Rc2d2 Kg8h7 h2h3 Kh7g7 b2b4
     13	00:42	  13.870.563	33.830.641	+0.09	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 h2h3 Kg8g7 Rc2d2 Re8h8 Rd2d1 Rh8e8
     13	01:04	  21.215.287	33.675.058	+0.09	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 h2h3 Kg8g7 Rc2d2 Re8h8 Rd2d1 Rh8e8
     14	01:35	  31.315.524	33.314.387	+0.08	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 h7h6 h2h3 Ra8c8 Qa2b1 Rc8d8 Rc2d2 Kg8g7 Qb1a2
     14	03:21	  66.545.319	33.107.123	+0.13	g6g5 Rc5c2 g5g4 Nf3e1 Qd8f6 Ne1d3 Bd7f5 Rf1c1 Re8e6 Qa2a1 Bf5e4 Nd3c5 Be4xc2 Nc5xe6
     14	03:52	  76.525.100	33.127.748	+0.13	g6g5 Rc5c2 g5g4 Nf3e1 Qd8f6 Ne1d3 Bd7f5 Rf1c1 Re8e6 Qa2a1 Bf5e4 Nd3c5 Be4xc2 Nc5xe6
     15	07:58	 153.160.241	32.109.065	+0.25	g6g5 Rc5c2 Re8e6 Rf1c1 g5g4 Nf3d2 Qd8h4 Nd2f1 Re6h6 Be2d3 Ra8e8 b2b3 a4xb3 Qa2xb3 Re8a8 Rc2b2
     15	09:14	 177.845.974	32.102.161	+0.25	g6g5 Rc5c2 Re8e6 Rf1c1 g5g4 Nf3d2 Qd8h4 Nd2f1 Re6h6 Be2d3 Ra8e8 b2b3 a4xb3 Qa2xb3 Re8a8 Rc2b2
   5/16/2008 4:51:05 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 03:21

Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Colossus2007d

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (Colossus2007d): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 00:01
     2/10	00:01	         759	634.000	+0.29	Qd8f6 Rf1c1
     3/10	00:01	       1.665	63.812	+0.33	Qd8f6 Rf1c1 Kg8h8
     3/10	00:01	       2.091	63.812	+0.37	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6
     4/10	00:01	       2.926	159.937	+0.28	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Qa2b1
     4/10	00:01	       7.332	159.937	+0.34	g6g5 h2h3 Qd8f6 Rf1c1
     5/13	00:01	      12.701	573.500	+0.38	g6g5 h2h3 Kg8h8 Qa2b1 Qd8f6
     5/13	00:01	      14.234	573.500	+0.39	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6
     6/13	00:01	      21.039	557.781	+0.22	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Kg1h1
     6/13	00:01	      25.992	557.781	+0.32	g6g5 h2h3 Qd8f6 Nf3e5 Re8xe5 d4xe5
     7/15	00:01	      70.407	632.139	+0.33	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Kg8h8 Qa2b1 Qd8h4
     8/17	00:01	     113.942	752.527	+0.26	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Qd8f6 Qa2b1 Qf6h6 Rf1d1
     9/24	00:01	     286.044	883.860	+0.28	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Qd8g5 Qa2b1 f7f5 Rf1d1 Qg5h5
    10/24	00:02	     530.140	932.183	+0.35	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8h4 Nd2f1
    11/29	00:02	     935.624	966.099	+0.39	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8h4 Nd2f1 Kg8h8
    12/29	00:03	   1.594.105	994.776	+0.24	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8h4 Nd2f1 Qh4f6 Qa2b1
    13/29	00:08	   6.815.262	982.938	+0.30	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c3 b5b4 a3xb4 Bf8xb4 Rc3c2 Qd8h4 Rf1c1 Bb4d6 Nd2f1
    14/29	00:12	  10.952.759	1.005.979	+0.34	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c3 b5b4 a3xb4 Bf8xb4 Rc3c2 Qd8h4 Rf1c1 Bb4d6 Nd2f1 Kg8h8
    15/30	00:19	  18.737.633	1.021.545	+0.29	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Qd8g5 Rf1e1 Bf8d6 Qa2b1 Qg5h6 Nd2f1 Kg8h8 Rc2c1 Ra8b8
    16/35	00:43	  43.274.682	1.031.628	+0.32	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Qd8g5 Rf1e1 f7f5 Qa2b1 Bf8g7 Nd2f1 f5f4 Rc2c1 Qg5h5 Qb1c2 f4xe3
    17/39	01:27	  88.929.297	1.040.049	+0.32	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Qd8g5 Rf1e1 f7f5 Qa2b1 Bf8g7 Nd2f1 f5f4 Rc2c1 Qg5h5 Qb1c2 f4xe3 f2xe3
    18/39	03:51	 236.815.708	1.036.986	+0.34	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Qd8g5 Rf1e1 b5b4 Rc2c1 Qg5h6 Nd2f1 Kg8h8 Re1e2 Bf8d6 a3xb4 Bd6xb4 Re2c2 Bb4d6
    19/47	07:57	 487.136.006	1.026.553	+0.35	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Qd8g5 Rf1e1 b5b4 Rc2c1 Qg5h6 Nd2f1 Ra8b8 a3xb4 Rb8xb4 Bd3c2 Re8b8 Rc1b1 Bf8d6 Bc2xa4
   5/16/2008 6:12:11 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 00:01

Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Crafty221_win32_ja

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (Crafty221_win32_ja): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 00:00
      9	00:00	     216.357	1.030.271	-0.56	1. ... Bf8 2. Rcc1 Bd6 3. Qb1 Rc8 4. Qc2 Bg4 5. Qd3 Qe7
      9	00:00	     513.099	1.091.700	-0.79	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. Rfc1
      9	00:00	     540.598	1.103.261	-0.79	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. Rfc1
     10	00:01	     805.861	1.074.481	-0.97	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. Rfc1 Qh4 6. g3
     10	00:01	     861.772	1.077.215	-0.97	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. Rfc1 Qh4 6. g3
     11	00:01	   1.077.482	1.088.365	-0.94	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. g3 Qg5 6. Rfc1 Kh8
     11	00:01	   1.242.563	1.119.426	-0.94	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. g3 Qg5 6. Rfc1 Kh8
     12	00:02	   1.749.936	1.128.990	-0.92	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. g3 Qg5 6. Rfc1 Kh8 7. Qb1
     12	00:02	   2.073.899	1.139.504	-0.92	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Bd6 5. g3 Qg5 6. Rfc1 Kh8 7. Qb1
     13	00:07	   7.782.704	1.111.814	-0.76	1. ... g5 2. h3 f5 3. Bxb5 g4 4. hxg4 fxg4 5. Rxc6 gxf3 6. Qxd5+ Kh8 7. Qxf3 Rf8 8. Qe4 Bxc6 9. Bxc6
     13	00:09	   9.782.572	1.086.952	-0.76	1. ... g5 2. h3 f5 3. Bxb5 g4 4. hxg4 fxg4 5. Rxc6 gxf3 6. Qxd5+ Kh8 7. Qxf3 Rf8 8. Qe4 Bxc6 9. Bxc6
     14	00:12	  13.798.184	1.103.854	-0.76	1. ... g5 2. h3 f5 3. Bxb5 g4 4. hxg4 fxg4 5. Rxc6 gxf3 6. Qxd5+ Kh8 7. Qxf3 Rf8 8. Qe4 Bxc6 9. Bxc6
     14	00:13	  15.463.227	1.124.598	-0.76	1. ... g5 2. h3 f5 3. Bxb5 g4 4. hxg4 fxg4 5. Rxc6 gxf3 6. Qxd5+ Kh8 7. Qxf3 Rf8 8. Qe4 Bxc6 9. Bxc6
     15	00:22	  25.755.189	1.170.690	-0.84	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Re6 5. Bf5 Rh6 6. Bxd7 Qxd7 7. Rfc1 Bd6 8. g3 Rc8
     15	00:24	  27.857.691	1.160.737	-0.84	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Re6 5. Bf5 Rh6 6. Bxd7 Qxd7 7. Rfc1 Bd6 8. g3 Rc8
     16	00:38	  44.413.517	1.168.776	-0.81	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Re6 5. Bf5 Rh6 6. Bxd7 Qxd7 7. Rfc1 Bd6 8. g3 Rc8 9. Qb1
     16	00:48	  56.613.101	1.179.439	-0.81	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Re6 5. Bf5 Rh6 6. Bxd7 Qxd7 7. Rfc1 Bd6 8. g3 Rc8 9. Qb1
     17	01:27	 103.658.883	1.191.481	-0.86	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Re6 5. Bf5 Rh6 6. Bxd7 Qxd7 7. Rfc1 Re8 8. Qb1 Bd6 9. g3 Bc7
     17	01:36	 115.034.284	1.198.273	-0.86	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Nd2 Bf8 4. Rc3 Re6 5. Bf5 Rh6 6. Bxd7 Qxd7 7. Rfc1 Re8 8. Qb1 Bd6 9. g3 Bc7
     18	09:14	 681.126.922	1.229.470	-0.96	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Ne1 Re6 4. g3 Rh6 5. Ng2 Bf8 6. Rcc1 Qg5 7. Nf4 Bd6 8. Rfe1 Bxf4 9. exf4 Qh5 10. Kf1 Qxh2
     18	09:30	 699.529.284	1.227.244	-0.96	1. ... g5 2. Bd3 g4 3. Ne1 Re6 4. g3 Rh6 5. Ng2 Bf8 6. Rcc1 Qg5 7. Nf4 Bd6 8. Rfe1 Bxf4 9. exf4 Qh5 10. Kf1 Qxh2
   5/16/2008 6:32:28 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 00:00

Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Deep Frenzee

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (Deep Frenzee): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 06:53
      2	00:00	         111	111	-0.02	1...Qf6 2.Ne5
      2	00:00	         170	170	-0.01	1...Qb6
      2	00:00	         224	224	+0.01	1...Qb6 2.b4
      3	00:00	         591	591	+0.01	1...Qb6 2.b3 axb3
      4	00:00	       1.678	1.678	+0.01	1...Qb6 2.b3 axb3 3.Qxb3
      5	00:00	       6.274	627.400	+0.07	1...Qb6 2.Re1 f5 3.b3 axb3
      6	00:00	      18.562	928.100	+0.06	1...Qb6 2.Re1 h6 3.b3 axb3 4.Qxb3
      7	00:00	      45.457	909.140	+0.06	1...Qb6 2.Rcc1 f5 3.b3 axb3 4.Qxb3 Rad8 5.Rfe1
      7	00:00	      51.723	1.034.460	+0.07	1...Qe7
      7	00:00	      60.744	1.012.400	+0.09	1...Qe7 2.Re1 f5 3.Qb1 Qf7 4.Qc2 Rac8
      8	00:00	     112.508	1.022.800	+0.10	1...Qe7 2.Rfc1 Rad8 3.b3 axb3 4.Qxb3 f5 5.h3 Qf7
      8	00:00	     154.275	907.500	+0.11	1...Bf8
      8	00:00	     168.289	934.938	+0.12	1...Bf8 2.Rcc1 Bd6 3.Rfe1 Qf6 4.Qb1 g5 5.Qd3
      9	00:00	     218.868	951.600	+0.10	1...Bf8 2.Rcc1 Bd6 3.Rfe1 Qf6 4.Qb1 h6 5.Qd3 Rac8 6.h3
      9	00:00	     323.344	951.011	+0.11	1...f5
      9	00:00	     409.889	953.230	+0.11	1...f5 2.Bd3 Qe7 3.b4 axb3 4.Qxb3 Rac8 5.Re1 Qf7
     10	00:01	     640.500	955.970	+0.14	1...f5 2.Bd3 Qe7 3.Rfc1 Qf7 4.b3 axb3 5.Qxb3 h6 6.h3 Rac8
     10	00:01	     850.065	965.982	+0.15	1...g5
     10	00:01	   1.252.560	986.267	+0.27	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Qg5 4.b4 axb3 5.Nxb3 Rac8 6.Qd2
     11	00:01	   1.485.301	990.200	+0.26	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Qg5 4.Qb1 f5 5.Qc2 Rac8 6.Rd1 Kh8 7.b3
     12	00:02	   1.995.327	1.012.856	+0.24	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Qg5 4.Qb1 f5 5.Qc2 Kh8 6.Rd1 Rac8 7.Kh1 h6 8.b3
     13	00:04	   4.736.768	997.214	+0.43	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Bf8 4.Rcc1 Bd6 5.Rfe1 Qg5 6.Qb1 Qh5 7.Nf1 Rac8
     14	00:06	   6.423.732	1.027.797	+0.35	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Bf8 4.Rcc1 Bd6 5.Rfe1 Qh4 6.Nf1 Rad8 7.Qb1 h6 8.Ng3 Bxg3
     15	00:09	  10.431.586	1.069.906	+0.33	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Bf8 4.Rcc1 Bd6 5.Rfe1 f5 6.Nf1 Qf6 7.Qb1 Rac8 8.Nd2 Kh8 9.b4
     16	00:19	  21.571.995	1.135.368	+0.37	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Bf8 4.Rcc1 f5 5.Rfe1 Bd6 6.Nf1 Qf6 7.Qb1 Rac8 8.Nd2 Qh4 9.h3 Rf8 10.b4 axb3
     17	00:34	  39.818.550	1.171.133	+0.39	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Bf8 4.Rcc1 Bd6 5.Rfe1 Qg5 6.Qb1 f5 7.Nf1 h6 8.Nd2 Qh5 9.Nf1 Rac8 10.Ng3 Bxg3
     18	01:19	  91.722.111	1.161.039	+0.39	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Bf8 4.Rcc1 Bd6 5.Rfe1 Qg5 6.Qb1 f5 7.Nf1 Rac8 8.Qc2 c5 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Qe2 b4 11.axb4 Bxb4
     18	03:28	 243.359.704	1.169.998	+0.40	1...f5
     19	06:53	 484.969.228	1.174.259	+0.60	1...g5 2.Bd3 g4 3.Nd2 Qg5 4.Qb1 f5 5.Rcc1 Kh8 6.Kh1 h6 7.b3 axb3 8.Nxb3 Rxa3 9.Nc5 Bc8 10.Qb2 Ra8
   5/16/2008 7:02:48 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 06:53

Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: DeepSjeng 1.6

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (DeepSjeng 1.6): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 03:17
     3/7	00:00	         440	0	+0.43	h7h6 Rf1c1 Qd8c7
     3/7	00:00	         908	0	+0.48	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8g7
     3/7	00:00	       1.267	0	+0.56	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7e4
     4/9	00:00	       1.532	0	+0.41	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7e4 b2b4
     5/10	00:00	       3.018	0	+0.45	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7d6 b2b4 a4xb3/ep Qa2xb3
     6/13	00:00	       8.739	0	+0.46	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7d6 b2b4 a4xb3/ep Qa2xb3 h7h6
     7/13	00:00	      19.273	0	+0.39	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7d6 b2b4 a4xb3/ep Qa2xb3 h7h6 Be2d3
     8/17	00:00	      66.968	0	+0.41	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7d6 b2b4 a4xb3/ep Qa2xb3 h7h6 Be2d3 Kg8h8
     9/19	00:00	     126.199	0	+0.40	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7d6 b2b4 a4xb3/ep Qa2xb3 h7h6 Be2d3 Ra8a6 Qb3b2
    10/26	00:01	     338.146	0	+0.41	Qd8e7 Rf1c1 Qe7d6 b2b4 a4xb3/ep Qa2xb3 h7h6 Be2d3 Ra8a6 Qb3b2 Bd7g4
    11/26	00:04	   1.419.460	0	+0.34	Qd8e7 Be2d3 Qe7d6 Qa2b1 f7f5 Qb1c1 Ra8d8 Qc1d2 f5f4 Rc5c1 Bd7g4
    12/27	00:07	   3.109.321	419.200	+0.33	Qd8e7 Be2d3 Qe7d6 Rf1c1 Ra8a6 Qa2b1 Bd7g4 Qb1c2 Bg4xf3 g2xf3 Re8e6 Qc2d2 f7f5
    13/31	00:16	   7.389.889	446.443	+0.32	Qd8e7 Be2d3 Qe7d6 Rf1c1 Ra8a6 Qa2b1 Bd7g4 Qb1c2 Bg4xf3 g2xf3 Re8e6 Qc2d2 f7f5 Rc5c3 Re6e8 b2b4
    13/31	00:24	  11.240.178	450.822	+0.36	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Qa2b1 h7h6 Qb1d3 Qd8f6 Rf1d1 Bd7f5 Qd3c3 Ra8a6 Be2d3 Bf5h3
    14/33	00:52	  23.946.281	463.133	+0.34	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Qa2b1 h7h6 Qb1d3 Qd8f6 Rf1d1 Ra8a6 Qd3d2 Bd7g4 Rd1e1 Qf6g7 Be2d3 Bg4xf3 g2xf3
    15/35	01:56	  53.529.619	463.362	+0.32	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Qa2b1 h7h6 Qb1c2 Qd8f6 Rf1d1 Qf6e7 Be2d3 Ra8d8 Qc2c3 Qe7f6 Rd1e1 Rd8c8 Qc3d2 Bd7g4 Bd3e2 Bg4d7 Be2d3 Bd7g4 Bd3e2
    15/36	03:17	  92.112.694	461.299	+0.38	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c3 b5b4 a3xb4 Bf8xb4 Rc3c2 Bb4d6 Rf1c1 Qd8h4 Nd2f1 a4a3 Rc2c3 a3xb2 Qa2xb2 Ra8b8 Qb2d2 Qh4g5
    16/41	06:58	 196.880.650	466.973	+0.44	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Qa2b1 Qd8h4 g2g3 Qh4h5 Rf1e1 Ra8c8 e3e4 c6c5 e4xd5 Re8xe1+ Rc1xe1 c5xd4 Nd2e4 Bd6e5 Re1c1 Rc8xc1+ Qb1xc1
   5/16/2008 8:03:19 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 03:17


Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Shredder UCI

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (Shredder UCI): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 09:30
     2/2	00:00	          50	458	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
     3/3	00:00	         141	1.293	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
     4/4	00:00	         394	3.614	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
     5/5	00:00	         776	7.119	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
     6/6	00:00	       3.282	26.256	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
     7/7	00:00	       5.857	46.856	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
     8/10	00:00	      12.312	87.942	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
     9/9	00:00	      19.609	125.698	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    10/10	00:00	      35.430	174.532	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    11/11	00:00	      62.387	235.422	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    12/13	00:00	     152.016	347.862	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    13/15	00:02	     796.311	447.114	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    14/19	00:02	     969.559	459.724	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    15/15	00:03	   1.632.305	468.514	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    16/16	00:04	   2.217.071	482.601	+0.43	Bg7f8 Rc5c1
    17/40	00:40	  19.620.430	492.431	+0.41	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6
    18/32	01:33	  45.242.312	483.228	+0.38	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 Ra8b8 Rc2c3 b5b4 a3xb4 Rb8xb4 Rc1c2 Re8b8 Qa2a1 Rb4b3 Qa1a2 g6g5 Qa2a1 Rb3xc3
    18/35+	01:54	  54.814.423	481.292	+0.39	g6g5
    18/37	02:18	  66.591.209	480.206	+0.39	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3e1
    19/40	04:52	 138.625.655	474.721	+0.25	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3e1 Qd8g5 g2g3 Bg7f8
    19/40+	05:02	 143.579.007	475.107	+0.26	Bg7f8
    19/40	05:28	 156.622.142	476.598	+0.37	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8f6 Be2d3 g6g5 h2h3 Ra8b8 Rc2c3 Rb8c8
    20/41	08:36	 245.792.896	476.242	+0.25	Bg7f8 Rc5c2 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8e7
    20/41+	09:30	 270.645.787	475.038	+0.26	g6g5
   5/16/2008 8:33:34 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 09:30

Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Hamsters

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (Hamsters): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 01:24
     2/5	00:00	         110	0	-0.46	Qd8c7 Qa2xd5
     2/5	00:01	         173	0	+0.41	Qd8b6 Rf1c1
     3/5	00:01	         392	0	+0.24	Qd8b6 Rf1c1 Bg7f6
     4/7	00:01	       1.272	0	+0.35	Qd8b6 Rf1c1 Bg7f6 Be2d3
     5/8	00:01	       4.640	0	+0.37	Qd8b6 Be2d3 Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6
     6/16	00:01	      10.857	0	+0.49	Qd8b6 Rc5c3 Bg7f6 Be2d3 Bd7g4 Rf1c1
     7/16	00:01	      41.498	0	+0.21	Qd8b6 Rf1c1 Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Nf3g5 Ra8a7
     7/16	00:01	      54.356	0	+0.35	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Be2d3 Qd8b6 h2h3 Qb6b7
     8/17	00:01	      84.331	0	+0.40	Bg7f8 Rc5c3 Bf8d6 Be2d3 Qd8b6 Rf1c1 Ra8a7 Nf3g5
     9/18	00:01	     134.921	0	+0.39	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Be2d3 Qd8b6 h2h3 b5b4 a3xb4 Qb6xb4 Nf3g5
    10/20	00:01	     213.548	0	+0.23	Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Be2d3 Qd8b6 Rc1c3 b5b4 a3xb4 Bd6xb4 Rc3c1 Bb4d6
    10/21	00:02	     492.474	444.070	+0.25	Qd8b6 Rf1c1 Ra8b8 Be2d3 b5b4 a3xb4 Qb6xb4 h2h3 Qb4xb2 Qa2xa4 Bg7f6
    11/25	00:02	     777.275	432.540	+0.35	Qd8b6 Be2d3 Ra8b8 Rc5c2 Bg7f6 Rf1c1 b5b4 Qa2a1 Qb6c7 Rc2c5 b4xa3 Qa1xa3
    12/25	00:03	   1.081.002	429.821	+0.28	Qd8b6 Be2d3 Ra8b8 Rc5c2 Bg7f6 Rf1c1 b5b4 Qa2a1 Qb6a7 Rc2c5 b4b3 h2h3
    12/27	00:07	   2.752.471	428.600	+0.41	Ra8b8 Be2d3 b5b4 a3xb4 Rb8xb4 Rc5c2 Qd8b6 Rf1d1 Bg7f6 h2h3 Re8b8 Nf3e5 Bf6xe5 d4xe5 Rb4xb2 Qa2xa4
    13/27	00:09	   3.559.651	429.028	+0.39	Ra8b8 Be2d3 b5b4 a3xb4 Rb8xb4 Rc5c2 Qd8b6 Rf1d1 Bg7f6 Qa2a3 Re8b8 Nf3e5 Bf6xe5 d4xe5 Rb4xb2 Qa3xa4
    14/27	00:13	   5.287.413	426.748	+0.39	Ra8b8 Be2d3 b5b4 a3xb4 Rb8xb4 Rc5c2 Qd8b6 Rf1d1 Bg7f6 Qa2a3 Re8b8 Nf3e5 Bf6xe5 d4xe5 Rb4xb2 Qa3xa4
    15/30	00:19	   8.009.729	427.915	+0.36	Ra8b8 Be2d3 b5b4 a3xb4 Rb8xb4 Rc5c2 Qd8b6 Rf1d1 Bg7f6 Qa2a3 h7h6 Qa3a1 Re8b8 Nf3e5 Bf6xe5 d4xe5 Rb4xb2 Qa1xa4
    16/35	01:05	  27.737.577	430.039	+0.29	Ra8b8 Rc5c1 Qd8b6 Rc1c3 Bg7f6 Rf1c1 b5b4 a3xb4 Qb6xb4 Rc1c2 Qb4a5 Rc2c1 Qa5b6 Rc1b1 Qb6a7 Be2d3 Qa7a5
    16/35	01:24	  36.036.269	431.975	+0.39	g6g5 h2h3 h7h5 Nf3e5 Bg7xe5 d4xe5 Qd8e7 Rf1c1 g5g4 h3xg4 h5xg4 Rc5xc6 Bd7xc6 Rc1xc6 Qe7g5 Be2xb5 Qg5xe5 Rc6c5 Re8c8 Qa2xd5 Qe5xb2
    17/54	03:12	  83.250.802	434.339	+0.32	g6g5 Rf1d1 Bg7f8 Rc5c1 Bf8d6 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Kg8h8 Rd1e1 Qd8c7 g2g3 Qc7a5 Rc1c3 Qa5b6 Rc3c1 Kh8g8
    18/57	08:38	 226.244.752	437.135	+0.52	g6g5 Rf1d1 f7f5 Be2xb5 c6xb5 Qa2xd5+ Bd7e6 Qd5xd8 Ra8xd8 Nf3xg5 Be6b3 Rd1c1 f5f4 Rc5c3 f4xe3 f2xe3 Bb3d5 Ng5f3 Bg7f6 Kg1f2 Bd5c4 h2h3
   5/16/2008 10:24:36 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:01, Rated time: 01:24

Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Hiarcs11.2SPUCI

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (Hiarcs11.2SPUCI): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 00:00
     9/22+	00:00	     163.754	316.738	+0.25	g6g5
     9/22	00:00	     182.387	315.003	+0.25	g6g5 Rc5c1 g5g4 Nf3d2
    10/22	00:01	     286.737	321.454	+0.16	g6g5 Be2d3 g5g4 Nf3d2 Qd8h4 Rf1c1 f7f6 Qa2b1
    11/22+	00:02	     523.261	309.805	+0.41	g6g5
    11/27	00:02	     618.749	309.219	+0.41	g6g5 Rc5c2
    12/27	00:04	   1.143.599	306.102	+0.37	g6g5 Rc5c2 g5g4 Nf3e1 Bg7f8 Ne1d3 Bf8d6 Rf1c1 Qd8h4 Nd3f4 Bd6xf4 e3xf4
    13/27+	00:10	   2.844.325	289.380	+0.62	g6g5
    13/27	00:18	   5.032.918	281.294	+0.71	g6g5 g2g4 Qd8f6 Nf3e5 Re8xe5 d4xe5 Qf6xe5 Rf1c1 Qe5xb2 Rc5c2 Qb2xa2 Rc2xa2 Ra8b8 h2h3 b5b4 a3xb4 Rb8xb4
    14/31	00:37	  10.293.949	277.502	+0.62	g6g5 h2h3 f7f5 Nf3h2 Bg7xd4 e3xd4 Re8xe2 Nh2f3 g5g4 h3xg4 f5xg4 Nf3e5 Ra8a6 Rc5c1 Re2d2
    15/32	00:55	  15.232.585	275.852	+0.67	g6g5 h2h3 f7f5 Nf3h2 Bg7xd4 e3xd4 Re8xe2 Nh2f3 Re2e4 Rf1c1 Ra8c8 b2b4
    16/32	01:45	  28.695.571	273.410	+0.81	g6g5 h2h3 f7f5 Nf3h2 g5g4 h3xg4 f5f4 Rc5c3 f4xe3 f2xe3 Qd8g5 Nh2f3 Qg5xg4 Nf3e5 Qg4xe2 Ne5xd7 Re8e6 Nd7b6
    17/36	03:07	  51.017.028	272.247	+0.78	g6g5 h2h3 f7f5 Nf3h2 g5g4 h3xg4 f5f4 Rc5c3 f4xe3 f2xe3 Qd8g5 Nh2f3 Qg5xg4 Nf3e5 Qg4xe2 Ne5xd7 Re8e6 Rf1f3
    18/40	09:16	 149.691.006	269.257	+0.63	g6g5 Rc5c2 f7f5 Nf3e1 f5f4 Be2h5 Re8e6 Bh5g4 Re6e7 Bg4xd7 Qd8xd7 e3xf4 g5g4 Ne1d3 Bg7xd4 Rf1c1 Qd7f5 Nd3e5 Ra8e8 b2b4 Qf5xf4
   5/16/2008 10:54:52 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 00:00

Analysis from E:\g5b.epd   
5/16/2008 2:39:27 AM Level: Infinite
Analyzing engine: Jonny 2.83

1) g5;                  
    Searching move: g6-g5
    Best move (Jonny 2.83): g6-g5
    identical moves! Found in: 00:01
      2	00:00	         476	476	-0.38	g7f6 f1c1 tb=0/0
      2	00:00	       1.018	1.018	-0.33	g7f8 c5c3 tb=0/0
      3	00:00	       1.225	1.225	-0.27	g7f8 c5c3 f8d6 tb=0/0
      4	00:00	       2.691	2.691	-0.33	g7f8 c5c3 f8d6 f1c1 tb=0/0
      5	00:00	      31.955	31.955	-0.27	g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 e8e7 f3g5 tb=0/0
      6	00:00	      54.858	54.858	-0.34	g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 a8a6 e2d3 f7f6 tb=0/0
      7	00:00	      77.869	77.869	-0.24	g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 d8b6 e2d3 f7f6 c2c3 tb=0/0
      8	00:00	     124.493	124.493	-0.24	g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 d8f6 e2d3 tb=0/0
      9	00:00	     245.133	245.133	-0.24	g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 tb=0/0
     10	00:01	     653.743	653.743	-0.25	g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 g8g7 e2d3 f7f6 tb=0/0
     10	00:01	     945.763	945.763	-0.24	g6g5 h2h3 f7f5 tb=0/0
     10	00:01	   1.203.464	1.203.464	-0.15	g6g5 h2h3 f7f5 f1c1 f5f4 c5c3 f4e3 f2e3 g5g4 h3g4 e8f8 tb=0/0
     11	00:01	   1.741.274	174.127.400	-0.16	g6g5 h2h3 f7f5 f1c1 g5g4 f3e5 g7e5 d4e5 g4h3 f2f4 h3g2 g1g2 tb=0/0
     12	00:04	   5.395.217	1.198.937	-0.09	g6g5 e2d3 g5g4 f3d2 g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 d8f6 c2c3 a8a7 tb=0/0
     13	00:06	   8.498.851	1.259.089	-0.12	g6g5 e2d3 g5g4 f3d2 g7f8 c5c2 f8d6 f1c1 d8f6 d2f1 f6h6 f1g3 g8g7 tb=0/0
     14	00:15	  20.206.930	1.347.128	-0.09	g6g5 e2d3 g5g4 f3d2 g7f8 c5c2 d8f6 tb=0/0
     15	00:56	  79.227.225	1.414.771	+0.04	g6g5 c5c2 f7f5 f3d2 g8h8 e2h5 e8f8 d2f3 g5g4 f3e5 g7e5 d4e5 d8g5 e5e6 d7e6 c2c6 f5f4 c6e6 g5h5 tb=0/0
     16	03:03	 262.995.264	1.437.132	+0.11	g6g5 e2d3 g5g4 f3d2 g7f8 c5c2 d8g5 f1e1 b5b4 c2c1 f8d6 tb=0/0
     17	04:47	 416.048.706	1.449.647	+0.11	g6g5 e2d3 g5g4 f3d2 g7f8 c5c2 d8g5 f1e1 b5b4 a2a1 f8d6 a3b4 d6b4 a1a2 g8g7 tb=0/0
   5/16/2008 11:25:13 AM, Time for this analysis: 00:10:00, Rated time: 00:01
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Re: Who else finds g5??

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bob wrote:
AdminX wrote:[d]r2qr1k1/3b1pbp/2p3p1/1pRp4/p2P4/P3PN2/QP2BPPP/5RK1 b - - 0 18

This position was reached in a 10 minute game between Shredder 11 vs. Hiracs 11 (SP), played on a 32bit 3Ghz (HT) system. Other than the fact that white's queen is somewhat misplaced on the a2 square, white does not look to bad.

Most engines that I had look at this position prefer Bf8, Rc8 or Qb6 for black in the position posted above. This fact proved true even on my 64bit Core2Duo system. So I was surprised when watching this game when Hiarcs 11 played g5!! and went on to win the game. I gave the position to the latest version of Hiarcs 12 (MP) and it also favors g5 as well.

The game followed with ...g5, Bd3 g4, Ne1 Qg5 and black went on to win from the position below:

[d]r3r1k1/3b1pbp/2p5/1pRp2q1/p2P2p1/P2BP3/QP3PPP/4NRK1 w - - 0 21
g5 is the only move Crafty considers here... I did not look at it carefully, but there must be some forcing reason why that is the right move...
It forces White pieces into retreat on the K-Side while White's pieces on the Q-Side are locked down and out of play and now Black generates a quick fluid attack on the K-Side with it's own pieces.

After g5!! White is facing serious problems and Black gets control and an attack.

This is just from a glance of the position.
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Re: Who else finds g5??

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That is correct Terry, yet I am still surprised at how strong it is on a strategic level. It is a hard move for me to find. I doubt I could have found it no matter how much time I had on my clock. There are lot of moves that could have been played here, but on a strategic level I think this move is the best for black in this position. the position almost plays its self once you see the plan for black.
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Re: Who else finds g5??

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AdminX wrote:That is correct Terry, yet I am still surprised at how strong it is on a strategic level. It is a hard move for me to find. I doubt I could have found it no matter how much time I had on my clock. There are lot of moves that could have been played here, but on a strategic level I think this move is the best for black in this position. the position almost plays its self once you see the plan for black.
Indeed! I could have missed this OTB as well. Could you post the PGN?

Thanks!

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Re: Who else finds g5??

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Terry McCracken wrote:
AdminX wrote:That is correct Terry, yet I am still surprised at how strong it is on a strategic level. It is a hard move for me to find. I doubt I could have found it no matter how much time I had on my clock. There are lot of moves that could have been played here, but on a strategic level I think this move is the best for black in this position. the position almost plays its self once you see the plan for black.
Indeed! I could have missed this OTB as well. Could you post the PGN?

Thanks!

Terry
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Shredder 11"]
[Black "Hiarcs 11"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "121"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 Ne4 6. cxd5 Nxg5 7. Nxg5 e6 8.
Nf3 exd5 9. e3 a5 10. Be2 O-O 11. O-O c6 12. Na4 Na6 13. Rc1 Re8 14. Qb3 b5 15.
Nc5 Nxc5 16. Rxc5 Bd7 17. a3 a4 18. Qa2 g5 19. Bd3 g4 20. Ne1 Qg5 21. Nc2 Re6
22. f4 Qh5 23. Rf2 Rae8 24. Rd2 Rh6 25. g3 Rxe3 26. Nxe3 Bxd4 27. Bxh7+ Kxh7
28. Rc3 Bf5 29. Kf1 Qh3+ 30. Ke1 Bxc3 31. bxc3 Re6 32. Re2 Bd3 33. Kd1 Bxe2+
34. Qxe2 Kh8 35. Qxg4 Qxh2 36. Nf5 Rg6 37. Qe2 Qxe2+ 38. Kxe2 Re6+ 39. Kd2 c5
40. g4 Rf6 41. Ne3 Rxf4 42. Nxd5 Rxg4 43. Kc2 Rg2+ 44. Kb1 f5 45. Nf4 Rf2 46.
Nd3 Rf3 47. Nxc5 Rxc3 48. Nd7 f4 49. Ne5 f3 50. Ng4 Rxa3 51. Kb2 Ra2+ 52. Kxa2
b4 53. Nf2 Kg7 54. Nd3 b3+ 55. Ka3 Kf6 56. Nf2 Ke5 57. Kb2 Kd4 58. Nh1 Kc4 59.
Ng3 a3+ 60. Kc1 a2 61. Kb2 0-1
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Re: Who else finds g5??

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AdminX wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
AdminX wrote:That is correct Terry, yet I am still surprised at how strong it is on a strategic level. It is a hard move for me to find. I doubt I could have found it no matter how much time I had on my clock. There are lot of moves that could have been played here, but on a strategic level I think this move is the best for black in this position. the position almost plays its self once you see the plan for black.
Indeed! I could have missed this OTB as well. Could you post the PGN?

Thanks!

Terry
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Shredder 11"]
[Black "Hiarcs 11"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "121"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 Ne4 6. cxd5 Nxg5 7. Nxg5 e6 8.
Nf3 exd5 9. e3 a5 10. Be2 O-O 11. O-O c6 12. Na4 Na6 13. Rc1 Re8 14. Qb3 b5 15.
Nc5 Nxc5 16. Rxc5 Bd7 17. a3 a4 18. Qa2 g5 19. Bd3 g4 20. Ne1 Qg5 21. Nc2 Re6
22. f4 Qh5 23. Rf2 Rae8 24. Rd2 Rh6 25. g3 Rxe3 26. Nxe3 Bxd4 27. Bxh7+ Kxh7
28. Rc3 Bf5 29. Kf1 Qh3+ 30. Ke1 Bxc3 31. bxc3 Re6 32. Re2 Bd3 33. Kd1 Bxe2+
34. Qxe2 Kh8 35. Qxg4 Qxh2 36. Nf5 Rg6 37. Qe2 Qxe2+ 38. Kxe2 Re6+ 39. Kd2 c5
40. g4 Rf6 41. Ne3 Rxf4 42. Nxd5 Rxg4 43. Kc2 Rg2+ 44. Kb1 f5 45. Nf4 Rf2 46.
Nd3 Rf3 47. Nxc5 Rxc3 48. Nd7 f4 49. Ne5 f3 50. Ng4 Rxa3 51. Kb2 Ra2+ 52. Kxa2
b4 53. Nf2 Kg7 54. Nd3 b3+ 55. Ka3 Kf6 56. Nf2 Ke5 57. Kb2 Kd4 58. Nh1 Kc4 59.
Ng3 a3+ 60. Kc1 a2 61. Kb2 0-1
Thanks...Nice Game by Hiarcs 11! Game 10 no less, Amazing!

Terry
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