CSTAL and those Trying to Get Miracles

[fern]

Chris simply does not want to engage in programming. He is engaged in other things.
Chris does not have the rights over Cstal code
Chris does not expend time in something incapable of producing even a coin.
Chris perhaps has forgot everything about chess programming.
Chris is thinking in living in la douce France, not in satisfy Thorsten and other guys.
You are trying to resuscitate a corpse.
Cstal is great, but so it is a Ford-T and nobody in in his senses would try to design again a Ford-T

Leave the man in peace regards
Fernando, shrink and adviser.

[S.Taylor]

He likes to feel above it. He likes to leave it like if he WOULD want to, he COULD be the top in anything he wants.
Being dismisive, shows that he is very special and talented and doesn't NEED to prove anything more. And this is his way of "proving" himself.
So he has the inner need to stay being "dismisive" about things.

[chrisw]

Chris simply does not want to engage in programming. He is engaged in other things.
Chris does not have the rights over Cstal code
Chris does not expend time in something incapable of producing even a coin.
Chris perhaps has forgot everything about chess programming.
Chris is thinking in living in la douce France, not in satisfy Thorsten and other guys.
You are trying to resuscitate a corpse.
Cstal is great, but so it is a Ford-T and nobody in in his senses would try to design again a Ford-T

Leave the man in peace regards
Fernando, shrink and adviser.

Hi Fernando,

This is partly true, but. If Czub actually and genuinely got exclusive rights to the CSTal3 code (CSTal2 would be pointless) and exclusive rights to the name and the sold the rights to me for one dollar so I could guarantee nobody could commercially exploit it, then I'ld not do any programming but I'ld give ideas and thought algorithms so they (Czub plus) could make a fast attack program based on Tal concepts.

Chris

[fern]

Your speculation about Chris features is lacking real, direct knowledge of the person. It is even made with "bad blood", as we say here.
When speculating about a guy you have not all the data, it is preferable to speculate positively.
Chris is a talented guy no matter what and we do not know if he feel like you say. And if he feels like that, we neither know if he is right or not. It could be the case he could produce the very best engine if he want. We cannot know for certain until he produces something with that goal and we can see it.
Until then, it is polite, affectionate and human to believe that any guy is up to the task he proposes or that he could propose.


I am disappointed a bit for your comment regards
Fernando

[Steve Maughan]

[snip]
This is partly true, but. If Czub actually and genuinely got exclusive rights to the CSTal3 code (CSTal2 would be pointless) and exclusive rights to the name and the sold the rights to me for one dollar so I could guarantee nobody could commercially exploit it, then I'ld not do any programming but I'ld give ideas and thought algorithms so they (Czub plus) could make a fast attack program based on Tal concepts.

Chris

Chris,

I'm not an IP lawyer but do know quite a bit about IP law having been sued for IP infringement (BTW I had not infringed and won the case plus damages). In your case I'm not sure that you couldn't share the idea anyway. The only reason why you couldn't share the ideas in CS Tal would be if the ideas were classed as trade secrets when you sold the company to Purple Software. Were the algorithms listed as trade secrets or assets in the sale? Naturally the source code is copyrighted - that's different - you can copyright code but the ideas behind the code must be explicit trade secrets for them to be protected by law; and even this somewhat vague.

Just my 2 cents!

Cheers,

Steve

[chrisw]

[snip]
This is partly true, but. If Czub actually and genuinely got exclusive rights to the CSTal3 code (CSTal2 would be pointless) and exclusive rights to the name and the sold the rights to me for one dollar so I could guarantee nobody could commercially exploit it, then I'ld not do any programming but I'ld give ideas and thought algorithms so they (Czub plus) could make a fast attack program based on Tal concepts.

Chris

Chris,

I'm not an IP lawyer but do know quite a bit about IP law having been sued for IP infringement (BTW I had not infringed and won the case plus damages). In your case I'm not sure that you couldn't share the idea anyway. The only reason why you couldn't share the ideas in CS Tal would be if the ideas were classed as trade secrets when you sold the company to Purple Software. Were the algorithms listed as trade secrets or assets in the sale? Naturally the source code is copyrighted - that's different - you can copyright code but the ideas behind the code must be explicit trade secrets for them to be protected by law; and even this somewhat vague.

Just my 2 cents!

Cheers,

Steve

Hi Steve,

I'm no lawyer either but it was necessary for me to get some understanding of law, including IP law. I agree with you fully about the ideas in CSTal - I can recreate those, no problem. The source would be copyrighted by me and then that copyright sold as part of the intellectual property in the sale of the business, likewise the product brand name. Those can only be re-used if one regained the rights.

A fine 2c, yours

Chris

[fern]

If you can reproduce those ideas an even improve on them, i do not see any problem -beyond the matter of will- to produce an UCI engine with the same spirit that carried Martin Bryant to give new, powerful life to Colossus.
Bryant is not in a hurry, he works on that when he wishes and in the meantime he get a kick. By now his Colossus Uci version D is already in the league of 2600 elo rating.
Surely you can do the same or better, perhaps calling it like that old attacking player that was Tolush -I used his names as a pen name for one of my books- and that ist.
I still see it:
Tolush 1.0.........
Sounds good, right?
Fernando

[S.Taylor]

Your speculation about Chris features is lacking real, direct knowledge of the person. It is even made with "bad blood", as we say here.
When speculating about a guy you have not all the data, it is preferable to speculate positively.
Chris is a talented guy no matter what and we do not know if he feel like you say. And if he feels like that, we neither know if he is right or not. It could be the case he could produce the very best engine if he want. We cannot know for certain until he produces something with that goal and we can see it.
Until then, it is polite, affectionate and human to believe that any guy is up to the task he proposes or that he could propose.


I am disappointed a bit for your comment regards
Fernando

You're right!
(I was only speculating in a funny way. Not intended seriously).

[chrisw]

If you can reproduce those ideas an even improve on them, i do not see any problem -beyond the matter of will- to produce an UCI engine with the same spirit that carried Martin Bryant to give new, powerful life to Colossus.
Bryant is not in a hurry, he works on that when he wishes and in the meantime he get a kick. By now his Colossus Uci version D is already in the league of 2600 elo rating.
Surely you can do the same or better, perhaps calling it like that old attacking player that was Tolush -I used his names as a pen name for one of my books- and that ist.
I still see it:
Tolush 1.0.........
Sounds good, right?
Fernando

Well Fernando, I'm an arrogant old bastard and I stick to my guns. Deal terms are as laid out already and are non-negotiable

Czub gets exclusive rights to the name and the source of CSTal3, sells them to me for $1 and then I give Czub and whoever is his programmer team all advice on ideas and algorithms.

No Chess System Tol. No way.

Chris

[fern]

Seriously now:
what REALLY Czub has?

My dollar in hand is real, his team of programmer could be an ilusion regards
Fernando