How many programs can find the mate instead of returning a draw score?
Please don't use mate mode first.
[d]4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1
Mate in 19
White Mates in 19
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Re: White Mates in 19
(I've posted the same to the Rybkaforum):Terry McCracken wrote:How many programs can find the mate instead of returning a draw score?
Please don't use mate mode first.
[d]4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1
Mate in 19
None i guess, since they are stupid.
(I'm not speaking about ChestUCI of course that finds it.)For a human it is just some seconds to understand the pattern and after a8N to make some simple calculations.
But programs can't plan this way, so they can't find it.
The solution:
[Event "1800"/1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mate in 19."]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "37"]
1. fxe8=N d3 2. Nf6 gxf6 3. g5 fxg5 4. g7 g4 5. g8=N g3 6. Nf6 exf6 7. Kg6 f5
8. e7 f4 9. e8=N f3 10. Nd6 cxd6 11. c7 d5 12. c8=N d4 13. Nb6 axb6 14. a7 b5
15. a8=N b4 16. Nb6 b3 17. Nc4 b2 18. Ne5 b1=Q 19. Nxf3# 1-0
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Re: White Mates in 19
It's too bad ChestUCI can't play practical chess.George Tsavdaris wrote:(I've posted the same to the Rybkaforum):Terry McCracken wrote:How many programs can find the mate instead of returning a draw score?
Please don't use mate mode first.
[d]4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1
Mate in 19
None i guess, since they are stupid.
For a human it is just some seconds to understand the pattern and after a8N to make some simple calculations.
But programs can't plan this way, so they can't find it.
The solution:
[Event "1800"/1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mate in 19."]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "37"]
1. fxe8=N d3 2. Nf6 gxf6 3. g5 fxg5 4. g7 g4 5. g8=N g3 6. Nf6 exf6 7. Kg6 f5
8. e7 f4 9. e8=N f3 10. Nd6 cxd6 11. c7 d5 12. c8=N d4 13. Nb6 axb6 14. a7 b5
15. a8=N b4 16. Nb6 b3 17. Nc4 b2 18. Ne5 b1=Q 19. Nxf3# 1-0
Damn! Computers are Dumb!
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Re: White Mates in 19
Movei can play chess and can see mate in 19(I used 64 mbytes and slow hardware and hopefully more hash can and better hardware can help to find the mate faster)Terry McCracken wrote:It's too bad ChestUCI can't play practical chess.George Tsavdaris wrote:(I've posted the same to the Rybkaforum):Terry McCracken wrote:How many programs can find the mate instead of returning a draw score?
Please don't use mate mode first.
[d]4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1
Mate in 19
None i guess, since they are stupid.
For a human it is just some seconds to understand the pattern and after a8N to make some simple calculations.
But programs can't plan this way, so they can't find it.
The solution:
[Event "1800"/1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mate in 19."]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "37"]
1. fxe8=N d3 2. Nf6 gxf6 3. g5 fxg5 4. g7 g4 5. g8=N g3 6. Nf6 exf6 7. Kg6 f5
8. e7 f4 9. e8=N f3 10. Nd6 cxd6 11. c7 d5 12. c8=N d4 13. Nb6 axb6 14. a7 b5
15. a8=N b4 16. Nb6 b3 17. Nc4 b2 18. Ne5 b1=Q 19. Nxf3# 1-0
Damn! Computers are Dumb!
New game
4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1
Analysis by Movei00_8_438:
1.fxe8Q
-+ (-10.84) Depth: 1 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3
-+ (-10.92) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3
-+ (-10.92) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q
-+ (-10.62) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q
-+ (-9.92) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 3kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:00 3kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:00 7kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:00 8kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:00 18kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 19kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 34kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:00 34kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:00 55kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:00 56kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:00 96kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 96kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 170kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 16 00:00:00 170kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 16 00:00:00 296kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 17 00:00:00 298kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 17 00:00:01 527kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:01 529kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:01 849kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 19 00:00:01 851kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 19 00:00:02 1348kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 20 00:00:02 1351kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 20 00:00:04 2085kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:04 2090kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:06 3297kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 22 00:00:06 3307kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 22 00:00:10 5175kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 23 00:00:10 5190kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 23 00:00:16 7885kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:16 7908kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:27 12562kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 25 00:00:27 12593kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 25 00:00:46 20197kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 26 00:00:46 20245kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 26 00:01:16 31622kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 27 00:01:16 31694kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 27 00:01:56 46593kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 28 00:01:57 46726kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 28 00:03:31 79164kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 29 00:03:32 79382kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 29 00:05:44 123100kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 30 00:05:45 123451kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 30 00:10:52 218102kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 31 00:10:53 218709kN
1.fxe8N
= (0.01) Depth: 31 00:18:02 346010kN
1.fxe8N
² (0.30) Depth: 31 00:18:02 346010kN
1.fxe8N d3 2.Nf6 gxf6 3.Kf4 f5 4.g7 fxg4 5.g8N g3 6.Nf6 exf6 7.e7 f5 8.Kg5 f4 9.e8N f3 10.Nd6 cxd6 11.c7 d5 12.c8N d4 13.Nb6 axb6 14.a7 b5 15.a8N b4 16.Nc7 b3
+- (#19) Depth: 31 00:18:17 353655kN
(Uri, MyTown 08.07.2008)
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Re: White Mates in 19
And not a bad time for the result Uri ...
Nice!
Nice!
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Re: White Mates in 19
Uri Blass wrote:Movei can play chess and can see mate in 19(I used 64 mbytes and slow hardware and hopefully more hash can and better hardware can help to find the mate faster)Terry McCracken wrote:It's too bad ChestUCI can't play practical chess.George Tsavdaris wrote:(I've posted the same to the Rybkaforum):Terry McCracken wrote:How many programs can find the mate instead of returning a draw score?
Please don't use mate mode first.
[d]4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1
Mate in 19
None i guess, since they are stupid.
For a human it is just some seconds to understand the pattern and after a8N to make some simple calculations.
But programs can't plan this way, so they can't find it.
The solution:
[Event "1800"/1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mate in 19."]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "37"]
1. fxe8=N d3 2. Nf6 gxf6 3. g5 fxg5 4. g7 g4 5. g8=N g3 6. Nf6 exf6 7. Kg6 f5
8. e7 f4 9. e8=N f3 10. Nd6 cxd6 11. c7 d5 12. c8=N d4 13. Nb6 axb6 14. a7 b5
15. a8=N b4 16. Nb6 b3 17. Nc4 b2 18. Ne5 b1=Q 19. Nxf3# 1-0
Damn! Computers are Dumb!
New game
4r3/p1p1pPp1/P1P1P1P1/5K2/3p2P1/7p/3P1ppr/3R1nkq w - - 0 1
Analysis by Movei00_8_438:
1.fxe8Q
-+ (-10.84) Depth: 1 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3
-+ (-10.92) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3
-+ (-10.92) Depth: 2 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q
-+ (-10.62) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q
-+ (-9.92) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 1kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:00 3kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:00 3kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:00 7kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:00 8kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:00 18kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 19kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:00 34kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:00 34kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:00 55kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:00 56kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:00 96kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 96kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:00 170kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 16 00:00:00 170kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 16 00:00:00 296kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 17 00:00:00 298kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 17 00:00:01 527kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:01 529kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 18 00:00:01 849kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 19 00:00:01 851kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 19 00:00:02 1348kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 20 00:00:02 1351kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 20 00:00:04 2085kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:04 2090kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 21 00:00:06 3297kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 22 00:00:06 3307kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 22 00:00:10 5175kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 23 00:00:10 5190kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 23 00:00:16 7885kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:16 7908kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 24 00:00:27 12562kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 25 00:00:27 12593kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 25 00:00:46 20197kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 26 00:00:46 20245kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 26 00:01:16 31622kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 27 00:01:16 31694kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 27 00:01:56 46593kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 28 00:01:57 46726kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 28 00:03:31 79164kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 29 00:03:32 79382kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 29 00:05:44 123100kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 30 00:05:45 123451kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 30 00:10:52 218102kN
1.fxe8Q d3 2.Qxe7
= (0.00) Depth: 31 00:10:53 218709kN
1.fxe8N
= (0.01) Depth: 31 00:18:02 346010kN
1.fxe8N
² (0.30) Depth: 31 00:18:02 346010kN
1.fxe8N d3 2.Nf6 gxf6 3.Kf4 f5 4.g7 fxg4 5.g8N g3 6.Nf6 exf6 7.e7 f5 8.Kg5 f4 9.e8N f3 10.Nd6 cxd6 11.c7 d5 12.c8N d4 13.Nb6 axb6 14.a7 b5 15.a8N b4 16.Nc7 b3
+- (#19) Depth: 31 00:18:17 353655kN
(Uri, MyTown 08.07.2008)
I have to admit I'm impressed. So why don't the other programmers adjust their code to see such possibilities?
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Re: White Mates in 19
Because i guess it will only add 0.001 ELO.Terry McCracken wrote: I have to admit I'm impressed. So why don't the other programmers adjust their code to see such possibilities?
They don't respect enough the problem solvers
After his son's birth they've asked him:
"Is it a boy or girl?"
YES! He replied.....
"Is it a boy or girl?"
YES! He replied.....