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This is the order the this division will end

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This is the order the this division will end, Zappa on first and Thinker 5.4a on second place. I am also wondering why Thinker 5.4b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/premier.htm

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Re: This is the order the this division will end

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pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.4b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
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Re: This is the order the this division will end

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CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
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Re: This is the order the this division will end

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pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
The latest version for download on the Thinker homepage is still Thinker 5.4a.
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Re: This is the order the this division will end

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pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
Its not out yet, but I think Leo and a few others got an early release.
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Re: This newer version of Thinker might change the order....

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CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
Its not out yet, but I think Leo and a few others got an early release.

I see that you released a newer version 5.4c which should give Zappa a thougher competition.


http://www.geocities.com/thechessthinker/download.html
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/premier.htm
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Re: This newer version of Thinker might change the order....

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pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
Its not out yet, but I think Leo and a few others got an early release.

I see that you released a newer version 5.4c which should give Zappa a thougher competition.


http://www.geocities.com/thechessthinker/download.html
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/premier.htm
The new 5.4C is actually a lot better than the 5.4B that Leo has at WBEC. But its too late now to change that for WBEC. Leo only allows engine updates up to the 3rd round.
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Re: This newer version of Thinker might change the order....

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CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
Its not out yet, but I think Leo and a few others got an early release.

I see that you released a newer version 5.4c which should give Zappa a thougher competition.


http://www.geocities.com/thechessthinker/download.html
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/premier.htm
The new 5.4C is actually a lot better than the 5.4B that Leo has at WBEC. But its too late now to change that for WBEC. Leo only allows engine updates up to the 3rd round.
I am constantly astounded at the prodigious strength you can squeeze out of such a tiny binary. It is the epitome of the saying:
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight -- it's the size of the fight in the dog."
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Re: This newer version of Thinker might change the order....

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CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
Its not out yet, but I think Leo and a few others got an early release.

I see that you released a newer version 5.4c which should give Zappa a thougher competition.


http://www.geocities.com/thechessthinker/download.html
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/premier.htm
The new 5.4C is actually a lot better than the 5.4B that Leo has at WBEC. But its too late now to change that for WBEC. Leo only allows engine updates up to the 3rd round.

Yes, indeed it has improved over Thinker 5.4a according to this single test against Rybka v 2.2, the newer version 5.4c score slighlty better than Rybka v.2.2.



Engine Score Ry SP S-B
1: SP-x86-Inert---Thinker 25.5/50 ===1=110=01===10===010=001=01===0==01=0=1010=1=1=1 ·················································· 618.75
2: Rybka v2.2n2.mp.w32 24.5/50 ·················································· ===0=001=10===01===101=110=10===1==10=1=0101=0=0=0 618.75

50 games played / Tournament is finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: JORGE, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Sempron 3800+ AM2 with 1GB DDR2 RAM Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

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As you can compare the test underneath was using Thinker 5.4a Inert wich score slightly lower.

Engine Score Ry SP S-B
1: Rybka v2.2n2.mp.w32 28.0/50 ·················································· 0==10011=01101010==1110=1=1=010=0====0=111===10=11 616.00
2: SP-x86-Inert---Thinker 22.0/50 1==01100=10010101==0001=0=0=101=1====1=000===01=00 ·················································· 616.00

50 games played / Tournament is finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: JORGE, United States
Level: Tournament Game in 5 Minutes
Hardware: AMD Sempron 3800+ AM2 with 1GB DDR2 RAM Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
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Re: This newer version of Thinker might change the order....

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pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:
CThinker wrote:
pichy wrote:I am also wondering why Thinker 5.3b was used instead of Thinker 5.4a :?:
I think it is always best to use the newer (latest) version. And that is what Leo did.
For some reason I misread it thinking that it was 5.3b. Is 5.4b available for the public yet, or will it become commercial :?:
Its not out yet, but I think Leo and a few others got an early release.

I see that you released a newer version 5.4c which should give Zappa a thougher competition.


http://www.geocities.com/thechessthinker/download.html
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/premier.htm
The new 5.4C is actually a lot better than the 5.4B that Leo has at WBEC. But its too late now to change that for WBEC. Leo only allows engine updates up to the 3rd round.

Yes, indeed it has improved over Thinker 5.4a according to this single test against Rybka v 2.2, the newer version 5.4c score slighlty better than Rybka v.2.2.



Engine Score Ry SP S-B
1: SP-x86-Inert---Thinker 25.5/50 ===1=110=01===10===010=001=01===0==01=0=1010=1=1=1 ·················································· 618.75
2: Rybka v2.2n2.mp.w32 24.5/50 ·················································· ===0=001=10===01===101=110=10===1==10=1=0101=0=0=0 618.75

50 games played / Tournament is finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: JORGE, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Sempron 3800+ AM2 with 1GB DDR2 RAM Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

As you can compare the test underneath was using Thinker 5.4a Inert wich score slightly lower.

Engine Score Ry SP S-B
1: Rybka v2.2n2.mp.w32 28.0/50 ·················································· 0==10011=01101010==1110=1=1=010=0====0=111===10=11 616.00
2: SP-x86-Inert---Thinker 22.0/50 1==01100=10010101==0001=0=0=101=1====1=000===01=00 ·················································· 616.00

50 games played / Tournament is finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: JORGE, United States
Level: Tournament Game in 5 Minutes
Hardware: AMD Sempron 3800+ AM2 with 1GB DDR2 RAM Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
E-Mail Address:
Thanks for the games Jorge. You manged to finish a test just a few hours after the release.