Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis on Fritz.
Crafty 21.06 delivers the best move for the 43 black move on this game: 43...Dxc5, while Crafty 23.00 delivers: 43...Dd1, clearly not the best move.
This issue only shows when the analysis is done from a file (a pgn).
[Event "VI Regina Helena Marques"]
[Site "Helena"]
[Date "2008.05.17"]
[Round "1.3"]
[White "Bachmann, Axel"]
[Black "Campelo, Leandro"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A25"]
[WhiteElo "2519"]
[BlackElo "2248"]
[Annotator ",x1"]
[PlyCount "88"]
[EventDate "2008.05.17"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "2"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[SourceDate "2008.05.20"]
1. c4 g6 2. g3 Bg7 3. Bg2 d6 4. Nc3 e5 5. d3 Nc6 6. Rb1 a5 7. e3 Nf6 8. Nge2
O-O 9. O-O Be6 10. Nd5 Qd7 11. Nec3 Ne8 12. Re1 f5 13. a3 Nf6 14. b4 axb4 15.
axb4 Rab8 16. b5 Ne7 17. Bb2 Kh8 18. Qc2 Neg8 19. b6 c6 20. Nc7 Bf7 21. c5 d5
22. Ne2 Ne8 23. Nxe8 Rbxe8 24. Ra1 Nf6 25. Ra7 g5 26. Nc1 d4 27. Nb3 Bxb3 28.
Qxb3 dxe3 29. Rxe3 Ng4 30. Re1 f4 31. Rf1 fxg3 32. hxg3 Nf6 33. Qc4 h6 34. Re1
Ng8 35. Qe4 Qf7 36. Re2 Nf6 37. Qf5 Qb3 38. Rxb7 Qd1+ 39. Bf1 Nd5 40. Qg6 Ne7
41. Qe4 Nf5 42. Re1 Qc2 43. Re2 Qxc5 ({Crafty 23.00: 1)} 43... Qd1 {
[%eval 0,17]}) ({Crafty 23.00: 2)} 43... Qxc5 44. Qc4 Qxc4 45. dxc4 Nd4 46.
Bxd4 exd4 47. Rxe8 Rxe8 48. Rc7 Bf8 49. Rxc6 Kg7 50. Rc7+ Kf6 51. c5 Ke5 52.
Bd3 Kd5 {[%eval 212,18]}) 44. Qg4 Nd6 1-0
[Event "VI Regina Helena Marques"]
[Site "Helena"]
[Date "2008.05.17"]
[Round "1.3"]
[White "Bachmann, Axel"]
[Black "Campelo, Leandro"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A25"]
[WhiteElo "2519"]
[BlackElo "2248"]
[Annotator ",x1"]
[PlyCount "88"]
[EventDate "2008.05.17"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "2"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[SourceDate "2008.05.20"]
1. c4 g6 2. g3 Bg7 3. Bg2 d6 4. Nc3 e5 5. d3 Nc6 6. Rb1 a5 7. e3 Nf6 8. Nge2
O-O 9. O-O Be6 10. Nd5 Qd7 11. Nec3 Ne8 12. Re1 f5 13. a3 Nf6 14. b4 axb4 15.
axb4 Rab8 16. b5 Ne7 17. Bb2 Kh8 18. Qc2 Neg8 19. b6 c6 20. Nc7 Bf7 21. c5 d5
22. Ne2 Ne8 23. Nxe8 Rbxe8 24. Ra1 Nf6 25. Ra7 g5 26. Nc1 d4 27. Nb3 Bxb3 28.
Qxb3 dxe3 29. Rxe3 Ng4 30. Re1 f4 31. Rf1 fxg3 32. hxg3 Nf6 33. Qc4 h6 34. Re1
Ng8 35. Qe4 Qf7 36. Re2 Nf6 37. Qf5 Qb3 38. Rxb7 Qd1+ 39. Bf1 Nd5 40. Qg6 Ne7
41. Qe4 Nf5 42. Re1 Qc2 43. Re2 Qxc5 ({Crafty 21.06: 1)} 43... Qxc5 44. d4 Nxd4
45. Bxd4 Qxd4 46. Qxc6 Rd8 47. Qc7 e4 48. Bg2 Rc8 49. Qe7 Rce8 50. Qd7 Rb8 {
[%eval 80,15]}) ({Crafty 21.06: 2)} 43... Qb3 44. Qxc6 Qg8 45. Rxg7 Qxg7 {
[%eval 389,15]}) ({Crafty 21.06: 3)} 43... Qd1 44. Rxg7 Nxg7 45. Qxc6 Re6 46.
Qc7 {[%eval 395,15]}) 44. Qg4 Nd6 1-0
Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
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bob
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Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
Your conclusion makes absolutely no sense to me. 23.0 will thump 21.6 in any kind of match you choose to play, either head-to-head or against a common group of opponents. It is roughly 100 Elo stronger.PerroMaster wrote:Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis on Fritz.
Crafty 21.06 delivers the best move for the 43 black move on this game: 43...Dxc5, while Crafty 23.00 delivers: 43...Dd1, clearly not the best move.
This issue only shows when the analysis is done from a file (a pgn).
[Event "VI Regina Helena Marques"]
[Site "Helena"]
[Date "2008.05.17"]
[Round "1.3"]
[White "Bachmann, Axel"]
[Black "Campelo, Leandro"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A25"]
[WhiteElo "2519"]
[BlackElo "2248"]
[Annotator ",x1"]
[PlyCount "88"]
[EventDate "2008.05.17"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "2"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[SourceDate "2008.05.20"]
1. c4 g6 2. g3 Bg7 3. Bg2 d6 4. Nc3 e5 5. d3 Nc6 6. Rb1 a5 7. e3 Nf6 8. Nge2
O-O 9. O-O Be6 10. Nd5 Qd7 11. Nec3 Ne8 12. Re1 f5 13. a3 Nf6 14. b4 axb4 15.
axb4 Rab8 16. b5 Ne7 17. Bb2 Kh8 18. Qc2 Neg8 19. b6 c6 20. Nc7 Bf7 21. c5 d5
22. Ne2 Ne8 23. Nxe8 Rbxe8 24. Ra1 Nf6 25. Ra7 g5 26. Nc1 d4 27. Nb3 Bxb3 28.
Qxb3 dxe3 29. Rxe3 Ng4 30. Re1 f4 31. Rf1 fxg3 32. hxg3 Nf6 33. Qc4 h6 34. Re1
Ng8 35. Qe4 Qf7 36. Re2 Nf6 37. Qf5 Qb3 38. Rxb7 Qd1+ 39. Bf1 Nd5 40. Qg6 Ne7
41. Qe4 Nf5 42. Re1 Qc2 43. Re2 Qxc5 ({Crafty 23.00: 1)} 43... Qd1 {
[%eval 0,17]}) ({Crafty 23.00: 2)} 43... Qxc5 44. Qc4 Qxc4 45. dxc4 Nd4 46.
Bxd4 exd4 47. Rxe8 Rxe8 48. Rc7 Bf8 49. Rxc6 Kg7 50. Rc7+ Kf6 51. c5 Ke5 52.
Bd3 Kd5 {[%eval 212,18]}) 44. Qg4 Nd6 1-0
[Event "VI Regina Helena Marques"]
[Site "Helena"]
[Date "2008.05.17"]
[Round "1.3"]
[White "Bachmann, Axel"]
[Black "Campelo, Leandro"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A25"]
[WhiteElo "2519"]
[BlackElo "2248"]
[Annotator ",x1"]
[PlyCount "88"]
[EventDate "2008.05.17"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "2"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[SourceDate "2008.05.20"]
1. c4 g6 2. g3 Bg7 3. Bg2 d6 4. Nc3 e5 5. d3 Nc6 6. Rb1 a5 7. e3 Nf6 8. Nge2
O-O 9. O-O Be6 10. Nd5 Qd7 11. Nec3 Ne8 12. Re1 f5 13. a3 Nf6 14. b4 axb4 15.
axb4 Rab8 16. b5 Ne7 17. Bb2 Kh8 18. Qc2 Neg8 19. b6 c6 20. Nc7 Bf7 21. c5 d5
22. Ne2 Ne8 23. Nxe8 Rbxe8 24. Ra1 Nf6 25. Ra7 g5 26. Nc1 d4 27. Nb3 Bxb3 28.
Qxb3 dxe3 29. Rxe3 Ng4 30. Re1 f4 31. Rf1 fxg3 32. hxg3 Nf6 33. Qc4 h6 34. Re1
Ng8 35. Qe4 Qf7 36. Re2 Nf6 37. Qf5 Qb3 38. Rxb7 Qd1+ 39. Bf1 Nd5 40. Qg6 Ne7
41. Qe4 Nf5 42. Re1 Qc2 43. Re2 Qxc5 ({Crafty 21.06: 1)} 43... Qxc5 44. d4 Nxd4
45. Bxd4 Qxd4 46. Qxc6 Rd8 47. Qc7 e4 48. Bg2 Rc8 49. Qe7 Rce8 50. Qd7 Rb8 {
[%eval 80,15]}) ({Crafty 21.06: 2)} 43... Qb3 44. Qxc6 Qg8 45. Rxg7 Qxg7 {
[%eval 389,15]}) ({Crafty 21.06: 3)} 43... Qd1 44. Rxg7 Nxg7 45. Qxc6 Re6 46.
Qc7 {[%eval 395,15]}) 44. Qg4 Nd6 1-0
This position simply means that 23.0 likes white better, and therefore it goes for the repetition Qd1. That's all it means. 23.0 thinks this is +2.0 for white if black plays Qxc5... So it _should_ go for the rep based on that, which was a 21 ply search by the way:
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21 2:23 2.27 44. Qc4 Qd6 45. Bh3 Nd4 46. Bxd4 exd4
47. Rxe8 Rxe8 48. Rc7 c5 49. Qxc5 Qxc5
50. Rxc5 Bf8 51. Rc7 Rb8 52. b7 Bd6
53. Rf7 Kg8 54. Be6
21-> 2:42 2.27 44. Qc4 Qd6 45. Bh3 Nd4 46. Bxd4 exd4
47. Rxe8 Rxe8 48. Rc7 c5 49. Qxc5 Qxc5
50. Rxc5 Bf8 51. Rc7 Rb8 52. b7 Bd6
53. Rf7 Kg8 54. Be6
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PerroMaster
Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
I think it is not a matter of playing strength, but a programming issue.
For example, ShredderClassic3 and SOS 5 for Arena does not have this problem.
For example, ShredderClassic3 and SOS 5 for Arena does not have this problem.
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Dann Corbit
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Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
You cannot make a decision from a single move.
Consider:
[d]2b5/1r6/2kBp1p1/p2pP1P1/2pP4/1pP3K1/1R3P2/8 b - - bm Rb4; id "WAC.230";
Here is crafty 20.0, compiled with DETECT_DRAW enabled, analyzing that position:
C:\chess\winboard\crafty>craftydd
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
found computer opening book file [./bookc.bin].
hash table memory = 192M bytes.
pawn hash table memory = 6M bytes.
EGTB cache memory = 32M bytes.
draw score set to 0.00 pawns.
choose from book moves randomly (using weights.)
choose from 5 best moves.
book learning enabled
result learning enabled
position learning enabled
resign after 5 consecutive moves with score < -9.
6 piece tablebase files found
72063kb of RAM used for TB indices and decompression tables
ERROR "mt 2 " is unknown rc-file option
Crafty v20.0
White(1): st 60
search time set to 60.00.
White(1): epdpfga wac230.epd wac230.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1 ID: WAC.230
time surplus 0.00 time limit 1:00 (1:00)
depth time score variation (1)
11 0.44 -1.74 1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Kb5 3. Ba3 Rf7 4.
Rb2 Rf5 5. Kg4 Ka4 6. Bc5 Kb5 <HT>
11-> 0.45 -1.74 1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Kb5 3. Ba3 Rf7 4.
Rb2 Rf5 5. Kg4 Ka4 6. Bc5 Kb5 <HT>
12 0.55 +1 1. ... Rh7
12 0.66 0.00 1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Kb5 3. Ba3 Rf7 4.
Ra1 Ka4 5. Bb2+ Kb5 6. Ba3
12 1.19 -1.70 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 c3 4.
Rc1 b2 5. Rxc3+ Kd7 6. Rc7+ Kd8 7.
Ra7 b1=Q 8. Rxa4
12-> 1.27 -1.70 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 c3 4.
Rc1 b2 5. Rxc3+ Kd7 6. Rc7+ Kd8 7.
Ra7 b1=Q 8. Rxa4
13 1.87 -1 1. ... Rb4!!
13 2.33 -2.23 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rb1 c3 5. Rc1 Kc4 6. Ra1 Bd7 7. Bc5
Kd3 8. Rd1+ Kc2
13-> 2.61 -2.23 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rb1 c3 5. Rc1 Kc4 6. Ra1 Bd7 7. Bc5
Kd3 8. Rd1+ Kc2
14 3.01 +1 1. ... Rb4
14 3.90 -1.67 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 Kb5 4.
Ra1 c3 5. Rc1 c2 6. f4 a3 7. f5 b2
8. Rxc2 b1=Q 9. Rxc8 Qxf5
14-> 5.03 -1.67 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 Kb5 4.
Ra1 c3 5. Rc1 c2 6. f4 a3 7. f5 b2
8. Rxc2 b1=Q 9. Rxc8 Qxf5
15 6.54 -1 1. ... Rb4!!
15 8.33 -2.32 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3
15-> 9.71 -2.32 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3
16 12.40 -2.27 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
16-> 16.76 -2.27 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
17 24.01 -2.34 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
Bd7
17-> 30.56 -2.34 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
Bd7
time=1:00 mat=-1 n=146700232 fh=89% nps=2.45M
ext-> chk=4381045 cap=138087 1rep=153186 mate=3290
predicted=0 nodes=146700232 evals=29149340 50move=0
endgame tablebase-> probes=0 hits=0
Black(1):
Solves the problem in about one second using a single CPU.
However, the latest crafty versions will trounce this crafty version in a match.
I keep this crafty version handy because it is great for analyzing extremely closed positions (in fact it is the best engine I know for that). But on other positions it will not do as well.
Every engine has strengths and weaknesses. I would go as far as to say that every engine of significant size also has some bugs in it. So you need a giant pile of data to make decisions about what engines are good for. But all of them are good for something. You just have to find out what it is.
Consider:
[d]2b5/1r6/2kBp1p1/p2pP1P1/2pP4/1pP3K1/1R3P2/8 b - - bm Rb4; id "WAC.230";
Here is crafty 20.0, compiled with DETECT_DRAW enabled, analyzing that position:
C:\chess\winboard\crafty>craftydd
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
found computer opening book file [./bookc.bin].
hash table memory = 192M bytes.
pawn hash table memory = 6M bytes.
EGTB cache memory = 32M bytes.
draw score set to 0.00 pawns.
choose from book moves randomly (using weights.)
choose from 5 best moves.
book learning enabled
result learning enabled
position learning enabled
resign after 5 consecutive moves with score < -9.
6 piece tablebase files found
72063kb of RAM used for TB indices and decompression tables
ERROR "mt 2 " is unknown rc-file option
Crafty v20.0
White(1): st 60
search time set to 60.00.
White(1): epdpfga wac230.epd wac230.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1 ID: WAC.230
time surplus 0.00 time limit 1:00 (1:00)
depth time score variation (1)
11 0.44 -1.74 1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Kb5 3. Ba3 Rf7 4.
Rb2 Rf5 5. Kg4 Ka4 6. Bc5 Kb5 <HT>
11-> 0.45 -1.74 1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Kb5 3. Ba3 Rf7 4.
Rb2 Rf5 5. Kg4 Ka4 6. Bc5 Kb5 <HT>
12 0.55 +1 1. ... Rh7
12 0.66 0.00 1. ... Rh7 2. Rb1 Kb5 3. Ba3 Rf7 4.
Ra1 Ka4 5. Bb2+ Kb5 6. Ba3
12 1.19 -1.70 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 c3 4.
Rc1 b2 5. Rxc3+ Kd7 6. Rc7+ Kd8 7.
Ra7 b1=Q 8. Rxa4
12-> 1.27 -1.70 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 c3 4.
Rc1 b2 5. Rxc3+ Kd7 6. Rc7+ Kd8 7.
Ra7 b1=Q 8. Rxa4
13 1.87 -1 1. ... Rb4!!
13 2.33 -2.23 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rb1 c3 5. Rc1 Kc4 6. Ra1 Bd7 7. Bc5
Kd3 8. Rd1+ Kc2
13-> 2.61 -2.23 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rb1 c3 5. Rc1 Kc4 6. Ra1 Bd7 7. Bc5
Kd3 8. Rd1+ Kc2
14 3.01 +1 1. ... Rb4
14 3.90 -1.67 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 Kb5 4.
Ra1 c3 5. Rc1 c2 6. f4 a3 7. f5 b2
8. Rxc2 b1=Q 9. Rxc8 Qxf5
14-> 5.03 -1.67 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. Rb1 Kb5 4.
Ra1 c3 5. Rc1 c2 6. f4 a3 7. f5 b2
8. Rxc2 b1=Q 9. Rxc8 Qxf5
15 6.54 -1 1. ... Rb4!!
15 8.33 -2.32 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3
15-> 9.71 -2.32 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3
16 12.40 -2.27 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
16-> 16.76 -2.27 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
17 24.01 -2.34 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
Bd7
17-> 30.56 -2.34 1. ... Rb4 2. cxb4 a4 3. b5+ Kxb5 4.
Rc2 bxc2 5. Ba3 c3 6. Kf4 Kc4 7. Ke3
c1=Q+ 8. Bxc1 Kb3 9. Kf4 a3 10. Be3
Bd7
time=1:00 mat=-1 n=146700232 fh=89% nps=2.45M
ext-> chk=4381045 cap=138087 1rep=153186 mate=3290
predicted=0 nodes=146700232 evals=29149340 50move=0
endgame tablebase-> probes=0 hits=0
Black(1):
Solves the problem in about one second using a single CPU.
However, the latest crafty versions will trounce this crafty version in a match.
I keep this crafty version handy because it is great for analyzing extremely closed positions (in fact it is the best engine I know for that). But on other positions it will not do as well.
Every engine has strengths and weaknesses. I would go as far as to say that every engine of significant size also has some bugs in it. So you need a giant pile of data to make decisions about what engines are good for. But all of them are good for something. You just have to find out what it is.
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bob
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Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
How long did you give them to search and how deep did they go? Post the analysis from them if you have it, particularly after you play Qxc5...PerroMaster wrote:I think it is not a matter of playing strength, but a programming issue.
For example, ShredderClassic3 and SOS 5 for Arena does not have this problem.
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PerroMaster
Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
The problem is that after 43...Dd1, white have a better move not getting into a repetition (because it is still not a 3 move repetition..so white can play other move for avoid repetition...):
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1B2RP2/3q1BK1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Crafty 23.00:
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6
+- (1.73) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.37) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dxc6 Dxd3 45.Axe5
+- (1.55) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (3.77) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.77) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6
+- (1.73) Depth: 2/6 00:00:00 0kN
44.Df3 Cd4
+- (1.86) Depth: 2/7 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6
+- (2.25) Depth: 2/9 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6
+- (2.65) Depth: 3/4 00:00:00 1kN
44.Dg2 Rg8 45.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.62) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7
+- (3.65) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.65) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (2.68) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (4.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (6.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7
+- (2.98) Depth: 4/8 00:00:02 2kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 4/9 00:00:02 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 5/4 00:00:02 3kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.07) Depth: 5/11 00:00:02 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (5.07) Depth: 5/11 00:00:03 3kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 5/11 00:00:03 3kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/4 00:00:03 4kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.07) Depth: 6/4 00:00:03 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (5.07) Depth: 6/12 00:00:03 6kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (3.64) Depth: 6/14 00:00:03 7kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (4.04) Depth: 7/7 00:00:03 11kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (5.04) Depth: 7/7 00:00:03 11kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (3.84) Depth: 7/16 00:00:03 13kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (4.24) Depth: 8/10 00:00:03 21kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (5.24) Depth: 8/10 00:00:03 21kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.g4 Txe5 47.Dxe5 Ch4 48.Dc7+ Rg8 49.Dxc6 Dxd3 50.Dxh6
+- (5.17) Depth: 8/17 00:00:03 25kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.g4 Txe5 47.Dxe5 Ch4 48.Dc7+ Rg8 49.Dxc6 Dxd3 50.Dxh6
+- (5.57) Depth: 9/13 00:00:04 38kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5
+- (5.61) Depth: 9/20 00:00:04 46kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5
+- (6.01) Depth: 10/10 00:00:04 75kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4
+- (5.90) Depth: 10/20 00:00:04 94kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4
+- (6.30) Depth: 11/11 00:00:04 155kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Te6
+- (5.80) Depth: 11/20 00:00:04 195kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Te6
+- (6.20) Depth: 12/12 00:00:04 326kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Rg8 50.c6
+- (6.37) Depth: 12/22 00:00:04 454kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6
+- (6.46) Depth: 13/25 00:00:04 673kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Te7
+- (6.42) Depth: 14/28 00:00:04 1173kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Cd4 52.Ae4+ Cf5
+- (6.47) Depth: 15/32 00:00:05 2898kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Cd4 52.Ae4+ Cf5
+- (6.87) Depth: 16/33 00:00:08 13195kN
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6 Te6 46.Dd5 Te7 47.b7 Rh7 48.Axe5 Tb8 49.De4+ Rh8 50.c6 g4 51.Axb8 Txe4 52.Txe4
+- (6.84) Depth: 16/35 00:00:12 24987kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1B2RP2/3q1BK1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Crafty 23.00:
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6
+- (1.73) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.37) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dxc6 Dxd3 45.Axe5
+- (1.55) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (3.77) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.77) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6
+- (1.73) Depth: 2/6 00:00:00 0kN
44.Df3 Cd4
+- (1.86) Depth: 2/7 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6
+- (2.25) Depth: 2/9 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6
+- (2.65) Depth: 3/4 00:00:00 1kN
44.Dg2 Rg8 45.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.62) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7
+- (3.65) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.65) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (2.68) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (4.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (6.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7
+- (2.98) Depth: 4/8 00:00:02 2kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 4/9 00:00:02 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 5/4 00:00:02 3kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.07) Depth: 5/11 00:00:02 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (5.07) Depth: 5/11 00:00:03 3kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 5/11 00:00:03 3kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/4 00:00:03 4kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.07) Depth: 6/4 00:00:03 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (5.07) Depth: 6/12 00:00:03 6kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (3.64) Depth: 6/14 00:00:03 7kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (4.04) Depth: 7/7 00:00:03 11kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (5.04) Depth: 7/7 00:00:03 11kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (3.84) Depth: 7/16 00:00:03 13kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (4.24) Depth: 8/10 00:00:03 21kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (5.24) Depth: 8/10 00:00:03 21kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.g4 Txe5 47.Dxe5 Ch4 48.Dc7+ Rg8 49.Dxc6 Dxd3 50.Dxh6
+- (5.17) Depth: 8/17 00:00:03 25kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.g4 Txe5 47.Dxe5 Ch4 48.Dc7+ Rg8 49.Dxc6 Dxd3 50.Dxh6
+- (5.57) Depth: 9/13 00:00:04 38kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5
+- (5.61) Depth: 9/20 00:00:04 46kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5
+- (6.01) Depth: 10/10 00:00:04 75kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4
+- (5.90) Depth: 10/20 00:00:04 94kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4
+- (6.30) Depth: 11/11 00:00:04 155kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Te6
+- (5.80) Depth: 11/20 00:00:04 195kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Te6
+- (6.20) Depth: 12/12 00:00:04 326kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Rg8 50.c6
+- (6.37) Depth: 12/22 00:00:04 454kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6
+- (6.46) Depth: 13/25 00:00:04 673kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Te7
+- (6.42) Depth: 14/28 00:00:04 1173kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Cd4 52.Ae4+ Cf5
+- (6.47) Depth: 15/32 00:00:05 2898kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Cd4 52.Ae4+ Cf5
+- (6.87) Depth: 16/33 00:00:08 13195kN
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6 Te6 46.Dd5 Te7 47.b7 Rh7 48.Axe5 Tb8 49.De4+ Rh8 50.c6 g4 51.Axb8 Txe4 52.Txe4
+- (6.84) Depth: 16/35 00:00:12 24987kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
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bob
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Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
However, between two computers, this is moot. Otherwise white would have never played into the _first_ position. Computers generally treat 2-fold and 3-fold repetitions the same in their search, for reasons of efficiency. Why waste the time to allow a 2-fold repetition in your search, and then avoid the 3rd???PerroMaster wrote:The problem is that after 43...Dd1, white have a better move not getting into a repetition (because it is still not a 3 move repetition..so white can play other move for avoid repetition...):
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1B2RP2/3q1BK1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Crafty 23.00:
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6
+- (1.73) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.37) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dxc6 Dxd3 45.Axe5
+- (1.55) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (3.77) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.77) Depth: 2/3 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6
+- (1.73) Depth: 2/6 00:00:00 0kN
44.Df3 Cd4
+- (1.86) Depth: 2/7 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6
+- (2.25) Depth: 2/9 00:00:00 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6
+- (2.65) Depth: 3/4 00:00:00 1kN
44.Dg2 Rg8 45.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.62) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7
+- (3.65) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.65) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (2.68) Depth: 3/8 00:00:00 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (3.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (4.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3
+- (6.08) Depth: 4/6 00:00:02 1kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7
+- (2.98) Depth: 4/8 00:00:02 2kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 4/9 00:00:02 0kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 5/4 00:00:02 3kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.07) Depth: 5/11 00:00:02 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (5.07) Depth: 5/11 00:00:03 3kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 5/11 00:00:03 3kN
44.Dg2 Te6 45.Ta7
+- (3.67) Depth: 6/4 00:00:03 4kN
44.Txg7
+- (4.07) Depth: 6/4 00:00:03 0kN
44.Txg7
+- (5.07) Depth: 6/12 00:00:03 6kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (3.64) Depth: 6/14 00:00:03 7kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (4.04) Depth: 7/7 00:00:03 11kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.Dxc6 Dxd3 47.b7
+- (5.04) Depth: 7/7 00:00:03 11kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (3.84) Depth: 7/16 00:00:03 13kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (4.24) Depth: 8/10 00:00:03 21kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Dxd3 48.Dc7+ Rg6
+- (5.24) Depth: 8/10 00:00:03 21kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.g4 Txe5 47.Dxe5 Ch4 48.Dc7+ Rg8 49.Dxc6 Dxd3 50.Dxh6
+- (5.17) Depth: 8/17 00:00:03 25kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.g4 Txe5 47.Dxe5 Ch4 48.Dc7+ Rg8 49.Dxc6 Dxd3 50.Dxh6
+- (5.57) Depth: 9/13 00:00:04 38kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5
+- (5.61) Depth: 9/20 00:00:04 46kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5
+- (6.01) Depth: 10/10 00:00:04 75kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4
+- (5.90) Depth: 10/20 00:00:04 94kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4
+- (6.30) Depth: 11/11 00:00:04 155kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Te6
+- (5.80) Depth: 11/20 00:00:04 195kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Te6
+- (6.20) Depth: 12/12 00:00:04 326kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.De4 Rg8 50.c6
+- (6.37) Depth: 12/22 00:00:04 454kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6
+- (6.46) Depth: 13/25 00:00:04 673kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Te7
+- (6.42) Depth: 14/28 00:00:04 1173kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Cd4 52.Ae4+ Cf5
+- (6.47) Depth: 15/32 00:00:05 2898kN
44.Txg7 Rxg7 45.Axe5+ Rh7 46.b7 Db3 47.Dxc6 Df7 48.Ag2 h5 49.Ad5 Dg6 50.Dxg6+ Rxg6 51.c6 Cd4 52.Ae4+ Cf5
+- (6.87) Depth: 16/33 00:00:08 13195kN
44.Txg7 Cxg7 45.Dxc6 Te6 46.Dd5 Te7 47.b7 Rh7 48.Axe5 Tb8 49.De4+ Rh8 50.c6 g4 51.Axb8 Txe4 52.Txe4
+- (6.84) Depth: 16/35 00:00:12 24987kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
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PerroMaster
Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
Mr. Hyatt, thank for look at the topic.
For ShredderClassic:
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1Bq1RP2/5BK1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Shredder Classic 3:
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 2/2 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 3/3 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 5/5 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 6/6 00:00:00 0kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 7/7 00:00:00 1kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 9/9 00:00:00 4kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 10/10 00:00:00 7kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 11/11 00:00:00 10kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 12/12 00:00:00 17kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 13/13 00:00:00 26kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
For SOS 5:
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1Bq1RP2/5BK1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by SOS 5 for Arena:
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.97) Depth: 1/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 2/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 3/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 5/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 7/6 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 9/9 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 10/9 00:00:00 3kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 11/17 00:00:00 6kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 12/19 00:00:00 32kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Ag2 Te7 46.Ta7
+- (1.82) Depth: 13/33 00:00:00 538kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (2.01) Depth: 14/37 00:00:04 4298kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (2.01) Depth: 15/38 00:00:06 6950kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (1.90) Depth: 15/39 00:00:09 10145kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.97) Depth: 16/44 00:00:16 18020kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.97) Depth: 17/44 00:00:21 23169kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.96) Depth: 17/44 00:00:22 24541kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
(Remember that the problem only arouse when you read the move from the pgn. -I use Fritz 10 interface-)
For ShredderClassic:
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1Bq1RP2/5BK1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Shredder Classic 3:
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 2/2 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 3/3 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 5/5 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 6/6 00:00:00 0kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 7/7 00:00:00 1kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 9/9 00:00:00 4kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 10/10 00:00:00 7kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 11/11 00:00:00 10kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 12/12 00:00:00 17kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 13/13 00:00:00 26kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
For SOS 5:
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1Bq1RP2/5BK1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by SOS 5 for Arena:
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.97) Depth: 1/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 2/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 3/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 5/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 7/6 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 9/9 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 10/9 00:00:00 3kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 11/17 00:00:00 6kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 12/19 00:00:00 32kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Ag2 Te7 46.Ta7
+- (1.82) Depth: 13/33 00:00:00 538kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (2.01) Depth: 14/37 00:00:04 4298kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (2.01) Depth: 15/38 00:00:06 6950kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (1.90) Depth: 15/39 00:00:09 10145kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.97) Depth: 16/44 00:00:16 18020kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.97) Depth: 17/44 00:00:21 23169kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.96) Depth: 17/44 00:00:22 24541kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
(Remember that the problem only arouse when you read the move from the pgn. -I use Fritz 10 interface-)
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bob
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Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
I don't follow. Both say white is winning, black is losing. So what is the point about wanting black to play Qxc5 if it is losing, when black can repeat the position for the second time by playing Qd1?PerroMaster wrote:Mr. Hyatt, thank for look at the topic.
For ShredderClassic:
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1Bq1RP2/5BK1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Shredder Classic 3:
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 2/2 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 3/3 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 5/5 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 6/6 00:00:00 0kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 7/7 00:00:00 1kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 9/9 00:00:00 4kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 10/10 00:00:00 7kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 11/11 00:00:00 10kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 12/12 00:00:00 17kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4
+- (1.95) Depth: 13/13 00:00:00 26kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
For SOS 5:
1: Bachmann,A - Campelo,L, VI Regina Helena Marques 2008
4rr1k/1R4b1/1Pp4p/2P1pnp1/4Q3/3P2P1/1Bq1RP2/5BK1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by SOS 5 for Arena:
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.97) Depth: 1/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 2/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 3/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 5/4 00:00:00
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 7/6 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 9/9 00:00:00 2kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 10/9 00:00:00 3kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 11/17 00:00:00 6kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6
+- (1.82) Depth: 12/19 00:00:00 32kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Ag2 Te7 46.Ta7
+- (1.82) Depth: 13/33 00:00:00 538kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (2.01) Depth: 14/37 00:00:04 4298kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (2.01) Depth: 15/38 00:00:06 6950kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dd6 45.Tc7 Cd4 46.Axd4 exd4 47.Txe8 Txe8 48.Txc6 Dd8 49.Tc7 Ae5
+- (1.90) Depth: 15/39 00:00:09 10145kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.97) Depth: 16/44 00:00:16 18020kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.97) Depth: 17/44 00:00:21 23169kN
43...Dxc5 44.Dc4 Dxc4 45.dxc4 Tb8 46.Txb8 Txb8 47.c5 Cd4 48.Te3 h5 49.Rh2 h4 50.f3 hxg3+ 51.Rxg3 Cf5+
+- (1.96) Depth: 17/44 00:00:22 24541kN
(, Asunción 12.06.2009)
(Remember that the problem only arouse when you read the move from the pgn. -I use Fritz 10 interface-)
The problem won't happen from a FEN position, because FEN doesn't have game history and the repetition will not be seen. Reading from the PGN, you get all old positions as well, so that the repetition is seen.
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PerroMaster
Re: Crafty 21.06 is the last reliable engine for analysis..
What happens is that after black 43...Dd1, white gets an even greater advantage that after 43... Qxc5, so 43...Dd1 is an even more loosing move for black (black loses faster).
After black 43...Dd1, black do not get a Draw, it only loses faster.
After black 43...Dd1, black do not get a Draw, it only loses faster.