How many computers see a winning for black after 21.Nxc7....

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pichy
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How many computers see a winning for black after 21.Nxc7....

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How many computers see a winning for black after giving up the rook 21. Nxc7..... Check the game Beliavsky vs Nakamura 0-1

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PS: I believe that GM Nakamura should also be in the older side:roll:
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Re: How many computers see a winning for black after 21.Nxc7

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Are you sure it's winning for black after 21. Nxc7 ?
pichy wrote:How many computers see a winning for black after giving up the rook 21. Nxc7..... Check the game Beliavsky vs Nakamura 0-1
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Re: How many computers see a winning for black after 21.Nxc7

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Vinvin wrote:Are you sure it's winning for black after 21. Nxc7 ?
pichy wrote:How many computers see a winning for black after giving up the rook 21. Nxc7..... Check the game Beliavsky vs Nakamura 0-1
That is the point a computer does not see an immediate winning after move 21 NXc7 and will never allowed to give the rook away, since it is not within its horizon. Rybka 3 with 16 cores will not sacrifice the rook because computer are like a cancer, they like to beat you little buy little until they destroy you. That is the reason you can NOT count a GM out when they are behind in material.
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Re: How many computers see a winning for black after 21.Nxc7

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pichy wrote:
Vinvin wrote:Are you sure it's winning for black after 21. Nxc7 ?
pichy wrote:How many computers see a winning for black after giving up the rook 21. Nxc7..... Check the game Beliavsky vs Nakamura 0-1
That is the point a computer does not see an immediate winning after move 21 NXc7 and will never allowed to give the rook away, since it is not within its horizon. Rybka 3 with 16 cores will not sacrifice the rook because computer are like a cancer, they like to beat you little buy little until they destroy you. That is the reason you can NOT count a GM out when they are behind in material.
It is not an automatic win for black, Rybka3 found after a few moves later that white can still draw. GM Nakamura was not forced to give the rook away, he simply sacrificed it :roll:
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Re: Rybka 3 saw this rook sacrifice after two hours.........

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[quote="pichy"]How many computers see a winning for black after giving up the rook 21. Nxc7..... Check the game Beliavsky vs Nakamura 0-1.

Usually computer are very materialistic and do NOT give away valuable pieces, but after 2 hours on my slow P.C. Rybka3 saw that this rook sacrifice was winning for black.
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5711

This brillian rook sacrifice by GM Nakamura the best game of this tournament so far, was played with HN being sick :shock: