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Michael Diosi
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One in a trillion

Post by Michael Diosi »

Hi,


I thought I would bring this position again. Any engine can solve this ?

So which engines can solve this and how fast (of course Chest UCI is not meant here)

The problem is a mate in 17 by Josef Halumbriek

[d]6k1/8/5Q2/8/8/8/3p1pp1/3Kbrrb w - - 0 1

Michael
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Christopher Conkie
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Re: One in a trillion

Post by Christopher Conkie »

Michael Diosi wrote:Hi,


I thought I would bring this position again. Any engine can solve this ?

So which engines can solve this and how fast (of course Chest UCI is not meant here)

The problem is a mate in 17 by Josef Halumbriek

[d]6k1/8/5Q2/8/8/8/3p1pp1/3Kbrrb w - - 0 1

Michael
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That's a nice one. I doubt they saw it yet but you never know.

:)

mfg

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Uri Blass
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Re: One in a trillion

Post by Uri Blass »

Movei does not know to count moves because my hash code for mate is not good but seeing a mate score is easy for it.

Note that I know movei so I am not surprised that in this type of position movei is good(usually do not try it in test position but when I saw this position I immediately knew that movei has good chances to solve it.


New game
6k1/8/5Q2/8/8/8/3p1pp1/3Kbrrb w - - 0 1

Analysis by Movei00_8_438:

1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 1 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 3 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
³ (-0.30) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 4 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
³ (-0.30) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 5 00:00:00
1.Qf6-e7
³ (-0.30) Depth: 6 00:00:00 3kN
1.Qf6-e7
µ (-1.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 3kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 3kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 6 00:00:00 4kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 5kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 7 00:00:00 8kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 11kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 15kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:01 19kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 9 00:00:01 26kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:01 33kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:01 44kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:01 55kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 11 00:00:01 69kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:01 81kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 12 00:00:01 102kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:01 118kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:01 153kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:01 180kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 14 00:00:02 237kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:02 280kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 15 00:00:03 381kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 16 00:00:03 454kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 16 00:00:04 641kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 17 00:00:04 737kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f7
= (0.00) Depth: 17 00:00:05 1139kN
1.Qf6-e7
² (0.30) Depth: 18 00:00:05 1154kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6
² (0.30) Depth: 18 00:00:05 1287kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6
² (0.30) Depth: 18 00:00:06 1833kN
1.Qf6-e7
= (0.00) Depth: 19 00:00:06 3452kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8
² (0.30) Depth: 19 00:00:06 3787kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8
² (0.30) Depth: 19 00:00:07 4843kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8
² (0.30) Depth: 20 00:00:07 5061kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8
² (0.30) Depth: 20 00:00:09 6342kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7
² (0.30) Depth: 21 00:00:09 6670kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7
² (0.30) Depth: 21 00:00:13 8680kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7
² (0.30) Depth: 22 00:00:13 9119kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7
² (0.30) Depth: 22 00:00:17 12129kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7
² (0.31) Depth: 23 00:00:18 12920kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7
² (0.31) Depth: 23 00:00:24 16814kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7 Kh6-g5 9.Qf7-e6 Kg5-f4 10.Qe6-d5 Kf4-g4 11.Qd5-e5 Kg4-h4 12.Qe5-f4+ Kh4-h5 13.Qf4-g3 Kh5-h6
² (0.60) Depth: 24 00:00:24 17610kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7 Kh6-g5 9.Qf7-e6 Kg5-f4 10.Qe6-d5 Kf4-g4 11.Qd5-e5 Kg4-h4 12.Qe5-f4+ Kh4-h5 13.Qf4-g3 Kh5-h6
² (0.60) Depth: 24 00:00:32 22820kN
1.Qf6-e7
± (0.90) Depth: 25 00:00:32 22840kN
1.Qf6-e7
+- (1.60) Depth: 25 00:00:32 22840kN
1.Qf6-e7 Kg8-h8 2.Qe7-f8+ Kh8-h7 3.Qf8-f7+ Kh7-h8 4.Qf7-e7 Kh8-g8 5.Qe7-f6 Kg8-h7 6.Qf6-f8 Kh7-g6 7.Qf8-e7 Kg6-h6 8.Qe7-f7 Kh6-g5 9.Qf7-e6 Kg5-f4 10.Qe6-d5 Kf4-g4 11.Qd5-e5 Kg4-h4 12.Qe5-f4+ Kh4-h3 13.Qf4-g5 Kh3-h2 14.Qg5-h4#
+- (#14) Depth: 25 00:00:36 26200kN

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Alexander Schmidt
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Re: One in a trillion

Post by Alexander Schmidt »

Yace is always a got bet in such positions. 35 seconds on my outdated system.

Code: Select all

FEN: 6k1/8/5Q2/8/8/8/3p1pp1/3Kbrrb w - - 0 1 

Yace 0.99.87:
   1	00:00	           7	0	-22,79	Df6xf2 Tf1xf2
   1	00:00	           8	0	-12,18	Df6h6
   1	00:00	          51	0	-12,18	Df6h6
   2	00:00	          59	0	-12,24	Df6h6 Kg8f7
   2+	00:00	          80	0	-12,18	Kd1e2 Kg8h7
   2	00:00	         890	890.000	-12,18	Kd1e2 Kg8h7
   3	00:00	         965	965.000	-12,10	Kd1e2 Kg8h7 Ke2d1
   3	00:00	       3.377	1.125.666	-12,10	Kd1e2 Kg8h7 Ke2d1
   4-	00:00	       3.394	1.131.333	-12,50	Kd1e2 d2d1D+ Ke2e3
   4-	00:00	       3.403	1.134.333	-13,50	Kd1e2 d2d1D+ Ke2e3
   4-	00:00	       3.412	1.137.333	-18,50	Kd1e2 d2d1D+ Ke2e3
   4	00:00	       3.487	1.162.333	-20,25	Kd1e2 d2d1D+ Ke2e3 Le1b4
   4+	00:00	       3.492	1.164.000	-12,24	Df6h6 Kg8f7
   4	00:00	       4.299	1.074.750	-12,53	Df6h6 Kg8f7 Dh6e3 Kf7f6
   4+	00:00	       4.335	1.083.750	-12,20	Df6e7 Kg8h8
   4+	00:00	       4.366	1.091.500	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7d7 Kh8g8 Dd7d8+ Kg8g7 Dd8g5+ Kg7f7 Dg5d5+ Kf7f8 Dd5f5+ Kf8e8 Df5b5+ Ke8d8
   4	00:00	       4.935	987.000	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7d7
   4	00:00	      11.937	1.326.333	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7d7
   5	00:00	      17.878	1.489.833	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7f8+ Kh8h7 Df8f6 Kh7g8 Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7f8+ Kh8h7 Df8xf2
   5	00:00	      27.802	1.635.411	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7f8+ Kh8h7 Df8f6 Kh7g8 Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7f8+ Kh8h7 Df8xf2
  6/15	00:00	      37.825	1.719.318	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7xf2
  6/17	00:00	      58.574	1.774.969	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7xf2
  7/17	00:00	      60.007	1.764.911	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
  7/18	00:00	      90.628	1.678.296	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
  8/18	00:00	      98.357	1.695.810	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
  8/20	00:00	     149.394	1.540.144	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
  9/20	00:00	     161.585	1.510.140	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
  9/23	00:00	     258.645	1.486.465	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 10/23	00:00	     280.077	1.474.089	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 10/23	00:00	     408.940	1.455.302	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 11/23	00:00	     440.882	1.450.269	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 11/25	00:00	     665.483	1.465.821	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 12/25	00:00	     737.610	1.466.421	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 12/26	00:00	   1.078.398	1.437.864	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 13/26	00:00	   1.209.284	1.429.413	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 13/27	00:01	   1.746.920	1.429.558	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 14/27	00:01	   1.933.532	1.435.435	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 14/33	00:02	   2.830.592	1.425.990	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 15/33	00:02	   3.094.887	1.430.830	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 15/35	00:03	   4.548.661	1.442.645	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 16/35	00:03	   5.047.703	1.445.504	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 16/37	00:05	   7.384.627	1.451.381	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 17/37	00:05	   8.094.939	1.453.832	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 17/41	00:08	  12.109.939	1.463.967	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 18/41	00:08	  12.881.913	1.467.856	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 18/43	00:13	  19.031.018	1.459.993	 0,00	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7a7 Kh8g8 Da7e7
 19/43+	00:13	  19.307.974	1.461.175	+M18	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7f8+ Kh8h7 Df8f7+ Kh7h8 Df7e7 Kh8g8 De7f6 Kg8h7 Df6f8 Kh7g6 Df8e7 Kg6h6 De7f7 Kh6g5 Df7e6 Kg5f4 De6d5 Kf4e3 Dd5c4 Ke3f3 Dc4d4 Kf3g3 Dd4e4 Kg3h3 De4e6+ Kh3g3 De6f5 Kg3h4 Df5g6 Kh4h3 Dg6g5 Kh3h2 Dg5h4+
 19/43	00:13	  20.496.396	1.474.666	+M18	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7f8+ Kh8h7 Df8f7+ Kh7h8 Df7e7 Kh8g8 De7xe1
 19/43	00:22	  35.125.182	1.571.596	+M18	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7f8+ Kh8h7 Df8f7+ Kh7h8 Df7e7 Kh8g8 De7xe1
 20/43	00:35	  58.726.771	1.647.776	+M17	Df6e7 Kg8h8 De7g5 Kh8h7 Dg5e5 Kh7g8 De5f6 Kg8h7 Df6f8 Kh7g6 Df8e7 Kg6h6 De7f7 Kh6g5 Df7e6 Kg5h5 De6f6 Kh5g4 Df6e5 Kg4h4 De5g7 Kh4h5 Dg7g3 Kh5h6
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meschle
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Re: One in a trillion

Post by meschle »

Thanks alexander - that was the engine i was trying to remember! :D
Regards Mark

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