[d]2q2rk1/pb3pp1/2prp2p/2R1N3/1pBP1P2/4P3/PP3QPP/6K1 w - - 0 24
This position is from the following iccf game
http://www.iccf-webchess.com/MakeAMove.aspx?id=222796
see also the following thread
http://www.iccf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3721
Note that I did not do a serious analysis of the position to feel sure that Qg3 is the best move or to feel sure that Qe1 leads to a draw.
Uri
can chess programs find Qg3?
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Re: can chess programs find Qg3?
Uri thanks for posting this game.
Best two sources for new test positions are:
cc games and cluster games.
Like I have said before, I do not think any human (without computer assistance) will ever play a game with a move that will challenge todays programs. If he does then I will probably conclude that the human does not understand the position.
For example, "right move wrong reason".
CPU0: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
CPU1: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
CPU2: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
CPU3: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
GUI: Tablebases with 0 pieces found! [Cache: 1 MB + internal 0.00 MB]
GUI: Shredderbases with 0 pieces found (0 MB)
Deep Sjeng by Gian-Carlo Pascutto, http://www.sjeng.org
Engine: Deep Sjeng 3.0 (1024 MB)
by Gian-Carlo Pascutto
22/61 13:23 +0.45 24.Qe1 Ba6 25.Qxb4 Bxc4 26.Qxc4 Qb7 27.b4 Rd5 28.Nxc6 Rxc5 29.Qxc5 Qa6 30.Ne7+ Kh7 31.Qc2+ Kh8 32.a4 Qb7 33.Qc5 Rb8 34.Nc6 Rc8 35.b5 a6 36.h3 axb5 37.axb5 (4.515.595.223) 5623
22/61 34:56 +0.53 24.Qg3 Qd8 25.Bb3 a5 26.Ng4 Kh7 27.Bc2+ f5 28.Ne5 Rf6 29.Bb3 Qa8 30.Bc4 Kh8 31.Qh4 Qd8 32.Be2 Kg8 33.Bf3 a4 34.Qe1 b3 35.axb3 (11.446.956.052) 5459
23/61 72:08 +0.65 24.Qg3 Qd8 25.Bb3 a5 26.Ng4 Kh7 27.Bc2+ f5 28.Ne5 Rf6 29.Bb3 Qa8 30.Bc4 Kh8 31.Qh4 Qd8 32.Be2 Kg8 33.Bf3 a4 34.Qe1 b3 35.axb3 (23.186.424.638) 5356
best move: Qf2-g3 time: 98:06.635 min n/s: 5.328.713 nodes: 31.361.987.440
[Event "World Championship 24 Final"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2009.6.10"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Turgut, Tansel"]
[Black "Tiemann, Hagen"]
[WhiteElo "2610"]
[BlackElo "2480"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 Be7
7. e3 O-O 8. Bd3 dxc4 9. Bxc4 b5 10. Bd3 Bb7 11. O-O Nbd7
12. Rc1 Rc8 13. Qe2 b4 14. Na4 Qa5 15. Bxf6 Bxf6 16. Nc5
Nxc5 17. Rxc5 Qb6 18. Rfc1 Be7 19. Ne5 Bxc5 20. Rxc5 Rcd8
21. Bc4 Rd6 22. f4 Qd8 23. Qf2 Qc8 24. Qg3 Qd8 25. h3 a6
26. b3 a5 27. Kh2 Ba8 28. Ng4 Kh7 29. Bd3+ f5 30. Ne5 Rf6
31. Bc4 Bb7 32. Qh4 Rf8 33. Qxd8 Rdxd8 34. Bxe6 Rd6 35. Bc4
Ra8 36. g4 1-0
Best two sources for new test positions are:
cc games and cluster games.
Like I have said before, I do not think any human (without computer assistance) will ever play a game with a move that will challenge todays programs. If he does then I will probably conclude that the human does not understand the position.
For example, "right move wrong reason".
CPU0: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
CPU1: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
CPU2: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
CPU3: GenuineIntel Intel64 Family 6 Model 26 Stepping 4 2926 MHz
GUI: Tablebases with 0 pieces found! [Cache: 1 MB + internal 0.00 MB]
GUI: Shredderbases with 0 pieces found (0 MB)
Deep Sjeng by Gian-Carlo Pascutto, http://www.sjeng.org
Engine: Deep Sjeng 3.0 (1024 MB)
by Gian-Carlo Pascutto
22/61 13:23 +0.45 24.Qe1 Ba6 25.Qxb4 Bxc4 26.Qxc4 Qb7 27.b4 Rd5 28.Nxc6 Rxc5 29.Qxc5 Qa6 30.Ne7+ Kh7 31.Qc2+ Kh8 32.a4 Qb7 33.Qc5 Rb8 34.Nc6 Rc8 35.b5 a6 36.h3 axb5 37.axb5 (4.515.595.223) 5623
22/61 34:56 +0.53 24.Qg3 Qd8 25.Bb3 a5 26.Ng4 Kh7 27.Bc2+ f5 28.Ne5 Rf6 29.Bb3 Qa8 30.Bc4 Kh8 31.Qh4 Qd8 32.Be2 Kg8 33.Bf3 a4 34.Qe1 b3 35.axb3 (11.446.956.052) 5459
23/61 72:08 +0.65 24.Qg3 Qd8 25.Bb3 a5 26.Ng4 Kh7 27.Bc2+ f5 28.Ne5 Rf6 29.Bb3 Qa8 30.Bc4 Kh8 31.Qh4 Qd8 32.Be2 Kg8 33.Bf3 a4 34.Qe1 b3 35.axb3 (23.186.424.638) 5356
best move: Qf2-g3 time: 98:06.635 min n/s: 5.328.713 nodes: 31.361.987.440
[Event "World Championship 24 Final"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2009.6.10"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Turgut, Tansel"]
[Black "Tiemann, Hagen"]
[WhiteElo "2610"]
[BlackElo "2480"]
[Result "1-0"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 Be7
7. e3 O-O 8. Bd3 dxc4 9. Bxc4 b5 10. Bd3 Bb7 11. O-O Nbd7
12. Rc1 Rc8 13. Qe2 b4 14. Na4 Qa5 15. Bxf6 Bxf6 16. Nc5
Nxc5 17. Rxc5 Qb6 18. Rfc1 Be7 19. Ne5 Bxc5 20. Rxc5 Rcd8
21. Bc4 Rd6 22. f4 Qd8 23. Qf2 Qc8 24. Qg3 Qd8 25. h3 a6
26. b3 a5 27. Kh2 Ba8 28. Ng4 Kh7 29. Bd3+ f5 30. Ne5 Rf6
31. Bc4 Bb7 32. Qh4 Rf8 33. Qxd8 Rdxd8 34. Bxe6 Rd6 35. Bc4
Ra8 36. g4 1-0