Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

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Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

Post by acase »

This seems to be a tricky one for engines.
The best move is 31.Kh2 with the idea of marching the king on up the dark squares g3, f4, and g5.

[d] 4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - h6
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

Post by yanquis1972 »

what a find, though as albert silver has suggested could everyone please preface these with "test position" for search purposes?

it might be too difficult or require hours of search as far as i can gather. even after Kh2 is made many engines take quite some time to come up with the correct plan for white.
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

Post by GARGAMEL »

Hi

Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (8), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by The King 3.50:

1.Td2 Lc8 2.T7d4 Dxa4 3.c5 Da3 4.cxb6 cxb6 5.Td1 Lb7
= (0.13) Tiefe: 6 00:00:00 48kN
= (0.25) Tiefe: 9 00:00:00 531kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.c5 bxc5 3.Td1 Lc8 4.T7d3 f5 5.exf6+ Txf6 6.Dg5
+/= (0.60) Tiefe: 9 00:00:01 1085kN
+/= (0.30) Tiefe: 10 00:00:02 1670kN
1.Td3 Tc8 2.Kf1 De4 3.Sg5 Df5 4.Dxf5 gxf5 5.Te7 La6 6.Td4 c5 7.Tdd7 Lxc4+ 8.Kg1
+/= (0.51) Tiefe: 10 00:00:05 4579kN
+/= (0.58) Tiefe: 14 00:00:57 49317kN
1.Kh2!! Lc8 2.Sg5 Lxd7 3.g4 Te7 4.gxh5 Dc5 5.h6 Dxe5+ 6.Dxe5 f6 7.Dxc7 fxg5 8.Txd7 Txf2+ 9.Kg3
+/- (0.96) Tiefe: 14 00:01:35 81449kN
+- (5.04) Tiefe: 15 00:02:06 108mN

Regards Anton
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

Post by GARGAMEL »

Hello

Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Hiarcs 12:

1.Df4 Kg7 2.Td2 Lc8 3.T7d4 Lb7
+/= (0.53) Tiefe: 11/24 00:00:00 753kN
+/= (0.48) Tiefe: 12/29 00:00:00 1531kN
1.Td3 Lc8 2.T7d4 Dxa4 3.Sg5 Db4 4.Td7
+/= (0.48) Tiefe: 12/30 00:00:01 3046kN
+/= (0.63) Tiefe: 13/33 00:00:02 6340kN
1.c3 Lc8 2.g4 Lb7 3.Td3 Dxc4 4.T7d4 Dc5 5.gxh5 De7 6.Df4 Lxf3 7.Td7 Da3 8.Txf3 Te7 9.Tdd3 Da1+ 10.Kg2
+/= (0.63) Tiefe: 13/35 00:00:03 9323kN
+/= (0.60) Tiefe: 14/46 00:00:04 12778kN
1.Td3 De4 2.Txc7 Tc8 3.Txc8 Txc8 4.Td8+ Txd8 5.Dxd8+ Kg7 6.Dxb6 Lc6 7.c3 Lxa4 8.Dxa5 Ld1 9.Dd8 Lxf3 10.gxf3 De1+ 11.Kg2 Dxc3 12.Dc7 Dc1
+/= (0.61) Tiefe: 14/46 00:00:04 13210kN
+/= (0.66) Tiefe: 18/48 00:00:36 132mN
1.Kh2!! La8 2.Kg3 Dxd7 3.Txd7
+/= (0.67) Tiefe: 18/48 00:01:32 339mN
+- (15.30) Tiefe: 23/62 00:11:01 2937mN

regard Anton
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

Post by Oratios »

Try bright-0.5c
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

Post by GARGAMEL »

Hallo Nikos

here are the analyses:

Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Bright-0.5c:

1.c3 Lc8 2.Te7 Lb7 3.Ted7
= (0.14) Tiefe: 6/16 00:00:00 25kN
= (0.00) Tiefe: 10/24 00:00:00 918kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Dg5 Lc8 3.Te7 La6 4.Txe8 Dxe8 5.Df6+ Kg8 6.Sg5 Dxa4 7.Sxe6 fxe6 8.Dxg6+ Kh8 9.Dh6+ Kg8 10.Dg6+
= (0.14) Tiefe: 10/29 00:00:00 2366kN
= (0.00) Tiefe: 12/33 00:00:00 5445kN
1.Td3 De4 2.Txc7 Tc8 3.Txc8 Txc8 4.Td6 Tf8 5.Td4 Dxc2 6.Sg5 Df5 7.Dxf5 gxf5 8.Td6 Tc8 9.Txb6 Lc6 10.Ta6 Lxa4 11.Txa5 Txc4 12.Ta7
= (0.20) Tiefe: 12/35 00:00:01 12531kN
+/= (0.40) Tiefe: 21/67 00:01:27 1237mN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Dg5 Lc8 3.Df6+ Kg8 4.g4 Lb7 5.Td3 Dxc4 6.gxh5 Dg4+ 7.Kh2 Df5 8.hxg6 Dxg6 9.Sg5 Dxf6 10.exf6 Lc6 11.Txc7 Tc8 12.Te7 Le8 13.Tg3 Kh8 14.h5 Tg8 15.Sxf7+ Lxf7 16.Txf7 Txc2 17.Txg8+ Kxg8 18.Tg7+ Kf8
+/= (0.42) Tiefe: 21/67 00:02:18 1946mN
+- (1.96) Tiefe: 25/87 00:22:37 4206mN

Bright 0.5c don't find the best move Kh2!

regard Anton
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991

Post by GARGAMEL »

Hallo Nikos

but the next version to Bright 0.5c "Sparc 0.3a" finds Kh2 in 4 sec!!

Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Spark-0.3a:

1.c3 Lc8 2.Te7 Txe7 3.Dxe7 Dxa4 4.Dxc7 Da1+ 5.Kh2
+/= (0.29) Tiefe: 6/6 00:00:00 16kN
+/= (0.29) Tiefe: 7/8 00:00:00 30kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Td3 Tc8 3.g4 Kg8 4.gxh5 De4 5.Dg3 Lc6 6.Te7 Lxa4 7.hxg6 Dxg6 8.Sd4 Dxg3+ 9.Txg3+ Kh8 10.Kf1 Tcd8 11.c3 Td7
+/= (0.54) Tiefe: 7/8 00:00:00 52kN
+/- (0.87) Tiefe: 19/35 00:00:03 42761kN
1.Kh2!! b5 2.cxb5 Dxd7 3.Txd7 Lxf3 4.Dxf3 Td8 5.Txd8 Txd8 6.Dc6 Td4 7.Dxc7 Txa4 8.b6 Txh4+ 9.Kg3 Tb4 10.b7 h4+ 11.Kh3 Kg7 12.b8D Txb8 13.Dxb8 a4 14.Da7 g5 15.De7 a3 16.Dxa3 Kg6 17.Dd3+ f5 18.Dd7 f4 19.Dxe6+ Kh5 20.Df7+ Kh6
+/- (1.11) Tiefe: 19/38 00:00:04 72600kN :D
+- (18.58) Tiefe: 30/60 00:06:30 5407mN

regard Anton