This seems to be a tricky one for engines.
The best move is 31.Kh2 with the idea of marching the king on up the dark squares g3, f4, and g5.
[d] 4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - h6
Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991
what a find, though as albert silver has suggested could everyone please preface these with "test position" for search purposes?
it might be too difficult or require hours of search as far as i can gather. even after Kh2 is made many engines take quite some time to come up with the correct plan for white.
it might be too difficult or require hours of search as far as i can gather. even after Kh2 is made many engines take quite some time to come up with the correct plan for white.
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991
Hi
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (8), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by The King 3.50:
1.Td2 Lc8 2.T7d4 Dxa4 3.c5 Da3 4.cxb6 cxb6 5.Td1 Lb7
= (0.13) Tiefe: 6 00:00:00 48kN
= (0.25) Tiefe: 9 00:00:00 531kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.c5 bxc5 3.Td1 Lc8 4.T7d3 f5 5.exf6+ Txf6 6.Dg5
+/= (0.60) Tiefe: 9 00:00:01 1085kN
+/= (0.30) Tiefe: 10 00:00:02 1670kN
1.Td3 Tc8 2.Kf1 De4 3.Sg5 Df5 4.Dxf5 gxf5 5.Te7 La6 6.Td4 c5 7.Tdd7 Lxc4+ 8.Kg1
+/= (0.51) Tiefe: 10 00:00:05 4579kN
+/= (0.58) Tiefe: 14 00:00:57 49317kN
1.Kh2!! Lc8 2.Sg5 Lxd7 3.g4 Te7 4.gxh5 Dc5 5.h6 Dxe5+ 6.Dxe5 f6 7.Dxc7 fxg5 8.Txd7 Txf2+ 9.Kg3
+/- (0.96) Tiefe: 14 00:01:35 81449kN
+- (5.04) Tiefe: 15 00:02:06 108mN
Regards Anton
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (8), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by The King 3.50:
1.Td2 Lc8 2.T7d4 Dxa4 3.c5 Da3 4.cxb6 cxb6 5.Td1 Lb7
= (0.13) Tiefe: 6 00:00:00 48kN
= (0.25) Tiefe: 9 00:00:00 531kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.c5 bxc5 3.Td1 Lc8 4.T7d3 f5 5.exf6+ Txf6 6.Dg5
+/= (0.60) Tiefe: 9 00:00:01 1085kN
+/= (0.30) Tiefe: 10 00:00:02 1670kN
1.Td3 Tc8 2.Kf1 De4 3.Sg5 Df5 4.Dxf5 gxf5 5.Te7 La6 6.Td4 c5 7.Tdd7 Lxc4+ 8.Kg1
+/= (0.51) Tiefe: 10 00:00:05 4579kN
+/= (0.58) Tiefe: 14 00:00:57 49317kN
1.Kh2!! Lc8 2.Sg5 Lxd7 3.g4 Te7 4.gxh5 Dc5 5.h6 Dxe5+ 6.Dxe5 f6 7.Dxc7 fxg5 8.Txd7 Txf2+ 9.Kg3
+/- (0.96) Tiefe: 14 00:01:35 81449kN
+- (5.04) Tiefe: 15 00:02:06 108mN
Regards Anton
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991
Hello
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Hiarcs 12:
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Td2 Lc8 3.T7d4 Lb7
+/= (0.53) Tiefe: 11/24 00:00:00 753kN
+/= (0.48) Tiefe: 12/29 00:00:00 1531kN
1.Td3 Lc8 2.T7d4 Dxa4 3.Sg5 Db4 4.Td7
+/= (0.48) Tiefe: 12/30 00:00:01 3046kN
+/= (0.63) Tiefe: 13/33 00:00:02 6340kN
1.c3 Lc8 2.g4 Lb7 3.Td3 Dxc4 4.T7d4 Dc5 5.gxh5 De7 6.Df4 Lxf3 7.Td7 Da3 8.Txf3 Te7 9.Tdd3 Da1+ 10.Kg2
+/= (0.63) Tiefe: 13/35 00:00:03 9323kN
+/= (0.60) Tiefe: 14/46 00:00:04 12778kN
1.Td3 De4 2.Txc7 Tc8 3.Txc8 Txc8 4.Td8+ Txd8 5.Dxd8+ Kg7 6.Dxb6 Lc6 7.c3 Lxa4 8.Dxa5 Ld1 9.Dd8 Lxf3 10.gxf3 De1+ 11.Kg2 Dxc3 12.Dc7 Dc1
+/= (0.61) Tiefe: 14/46 00:00:04 13210kN
+/= (0.66) Tiefe: 18/48 00:00:36 132mN
1.Kh2!! La8 2.Kg3 Dxd7 3.Txd7
+/= (0.67) Tiefe: 18/48 00:01:32 339mN
+- (15.30) Tiefe: 23/62 00:11:01 2937mN
regard Anton
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Hiarcs 12:
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Td2 Lc8 3.T7d4 Lb7
+/= (0.53) Tiefe: 11/24 00:00:00 753kN
+/= (0.48) Tiefe: 12/29 00:00:00 1531kN
1.Td3 Lc8 2.T7d4 Dxa4 3.Sg5 Db4 4.Td7
+/= (0.48) Tiefe: 12/30 00:00:01 3046kN
+/= (0.63) Tiefe: 13/33 00:00:02 6340kN
1.c3 Lc8 2.g4 Lb7 3.Td3 Dxc4 4.T7d4 Dc5 5.gxh5 De7 6.Df4 Lxf3 7.Td7 Da3 8.Txf3 Te7 9.Tdd3 Da1+ 10.Kg2
+/= (0.63) Tiefe: 13/35 00:00:03 9323kN
+/= (0.60) Tiefe: 14/46 00:00:04 12778kN
1.Td3 De4 2.Txc7 Tc8 3.Txc8 Txc8 4.Td8+ Txd8 5.Dxd8+ Kg7 6.Dxb6 Lc6 7.c3 Lxa4 8.Dxa5 Ld1 9.Dd8 Lxf3 10.gxf3 De1+ 11.Kg2 Dxc3 12.Dc7 Dc1
+/= (0.61) Tiefe: 14/46 00:00:04 13210kN
+/= (0.66) Tiefe: 18/48 00:00:36 132mN
1.Kh2!! La8 2.Kg3 Dxd7 3.Txd7
+/= (0.67) Tiefe: 18/48 00:01:32 339mN
+- (15.30) Tiefe: 23/62 00:11:01 2937mN
regard Anton
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991
Hallo Nikos
here are the analyses:
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Bright-0.5c:
1.c3 Lc8 2.Te7 Lb7 3.Ted7
= (0.14) Tiefe: 6/16 00:00:00 25kN
= (0.00) Tiefe: 10/24 00:00:00 918kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Dg5 Lc8 3.Te7 La6 4.Txe8 Dxe8 5.Df6+ Kg8 6.Sg5 Dxa4 7.Sxe6 fxe6 8.Dxg6+ Kh8 9.Dh6+ Kg8 10.Dg6+
= (0.14) Tiefe: 10/29 00:00:00 2366kN
= (0.00) Tiefe: 12/33 00:00:00 5445kN
1.Td3 De4 2.Txc7 Tc8 3.Txc8 Txc8 4.Td6 Tf8 5.Td4 Dxc2 6.Sg5 Df5 7.Dxf5 gxf5 8.Td6 Tc8 9.Txb6 Lc6 10.Ta6 Lxa4 11.Txa5 Txc4 12.Ta7
= (0.20) Tiefe: 12/35 00:00:01 12531kN
+/= (0.40) Tiefe: 21/67 00:01:27 1237mN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Dg5 Lc8 3.Df6+ Kg8 4.g4 Lb7 5.Td3 Dxc4 6.gxh5 Dg4+ 7.Kh2 Df5 8.hxg6 Dxg6 9.Sg5 Dxf6 10.exf6 Lc6 11.Txc7 Tc8 12.Te7 Le8 13.Tg3 Kh8 14.h5 Tg8 15.Sxf7+ Lxf7 16.Txf7 Txc2 17.Txg8+ Kxg8 18.Tg7+ Kf8
+/= (0.42) Tiefe: 21/67 00:02:18 1946mN
+- (1.96) Tiefe: 25/87 00:22:37 4206mN
Bright 0.5c don't find the best move Kh2!
regard Anton
here are the analyses:
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Bright-0.5c:
1.c3 Lc8 2.Te7 Lb7 3.Ted7
= (0.14) Tiefe: 6/16 00:00:00 25kN
= (0.00) Tiefe: 10/24 00:00:00 918kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Dg5 Lc8 3.Te7 La6 4.Txe8 Dxe8 5.Df6+ Kg8 6.Sg5 Dxa4 7.Sxe6 fxe6 8.Dxg6+ Kh8 9.Dh6+ Kg8 10.Dg6+
= (0.14) Tiefe: 10/29 00:00:00 2366kN
= (0.00) Tiefe: 12/33 00:00:00 5445kN
1.Td3 De4 2.Txc7 Tc8 3.Txc8 Txc8 4.Td6 Tf8 5.Td4 Dxc2 6.Sg5 Df5 7.Dxf5 gxf5 8.Td6 Tc8 9.Txb6 Lc6 10.Ta6 Lxa4 11.Txa5 Txc4 12.Ta7
= (0.20) Tiefe: 12/35 00:00:01 12531kN
+/= (0.40) Tiefe: 21/67 00:01:27 1237mN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Dg5 Lc8 3.Df6+ Kg8 4.g4 Lb7 5.Td3 Dxc4 6.gxh5 Dg4+ 7.Kh2 Df5 8.hxg6 Dxg6 9.Sg5 Dxf6 10.exf6 Lc6 11.Txc7 Tc8 12.Te7 Le8 13.Tg3 Kh8 14.h5 Tg8 15.Sxf7+ Lxf7 16.Txf7 Txc2 17.Txg8+ Kxg8 18.Tg7+ Kf8
+/= (0.42) Tiefe: 21/67 00:02:18 1946mN
+- (1.96) Tiefe: 25/87 00:22:37 4206mN
Bright 0.5c don't find the best move Kh2!
regard Anton
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Re: Short vs Timman, Tilburg 1991
Hallo Nikos
but the next version to Bright 0.5c "Sparc 0.3a" finds Kh2 in 4 sec!!
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Spark-0.3a:
1.c3 Lc8 2.Te7 Txe7 3.Dxe7 Dxa4 4.Dxc7 Da1+ 5.Kh2
+/= (0.29) Tiefe: 6/6 00:00:00 16kN
+/= (0.29) Tiefe: 7/8 00:00:00 30kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Td3 Tc8 3.g4 Kg8 4.gxh5 De4 5.Dg3 Lc6 6.Te7 Lxa4 7.hxg6 Dxg6 8.Sd4 Dxg3+ 9.Txg3+ Kh8 10.Kf1 Tcd8 11.c3 Td7
+/= (0.54) Tiefe: 7/8 00:00:00 52kN
+/- (0.87) Tiefe: 19/35 00:00:03 42761kN
1.Kh2!! b5 2.cxb5 Dxd7 3.Txd7 Lxf3 4.Dxf3 Td8 5.Txd8 Txd8 6.Dc6 Td4 7.Dxc7 Txa4 8.b6 Txh4+ 9.Kg3 Tb4 10.b7 h4+ 11.Kh3 Kg7 12.b8D Txb8 13.Dxb8 a4 14.Da7 g5 15.De7 a3 16.Dxa3 Kg6 17.Dd3+ f5 18.Dd7 f4 19.Dxe6+ Kh5 20.Df7+ Kh6
+/- (1.11) Tiefe: 19/38 00:00:04 72600kN
+- (18.58) Tiefe: 30/60 00:06:30 5407mN
regard Anton
but the next version to Bright 0.5c "Sparc 0.3a" finds Kh2 in 4 sec!!
Short,N - Timman,J, Tilburg (4), Kh2
4rrk1/1bpR1p2/1pq1pQp1/p3P2p/P1PR3P/5N2/2P2PP1/6K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Spark-0.3a:
1.c3 Lc8 2.Te7 Txe7 3.Dxe7 Dxa4 4.Dxc7 Da1+ 5.Kh2
+/= (0.29) Tiefe: 6/6 00:00:00 16kN
+/= (0.29) Tiefe: 7/8 00:00:00 30kN
1.Df4 Kg7 2.Td3 Tc8 3.g4 Kg8 4.gxh5 De4 5.Dg3 Lc6 6.Te7 Lxa4 7.hxg6 Dxg6 8.Sd4 Dxg3+ 9.Txg3+ Kh8 10.Kf1 Tcd8 11.c3 Td7
+/= (0.54) Tiefe: 7/8 00:00:00 52kN
+/- (0.87) Tiefe: 19/35 00:00:03 42761kN
1.Kh2!! b5 2.cxb5 Dxd7 3.Txd7 Lxf3 4.Dxf3 Td8 5.Txd8 Txd8 6.Dc6 Td4 7.Dxc7 Txa4 8.b6 Txh4+ 9.Kg3 Tb4 10.b7 h4+ 11.Kh3 Kg7 12.b8D Txb8 13.Dxb8 a4 14.Da7 g5 15.De7 a3 16.Dxa3 Kg6 17.Dd3+ f5 18.Dd7 f4 19.Dxe6+ Kh5 20.Df7+ Kh6
+/- (1.11) Tiefe: 19/38 00:00:04 72600kN
+- (18.58) Tiefe: 30/60 00:06:30 5407mN
regard Anton