Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Discussion of anything and everything relating to chess playing software and machines.

Moderator: Ras

User avatar
Arturo Ochoa
Posts: 220
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:27 pm
Location: Montréal, Canada

Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by Arturo Ochoa »

[d]r2qrbk1/p1pb1ppp/1p1p2n1/3PpN2/2P1P3/1P1Q1N2/P2B1PPP/4RR1K w - -

Engine: HIARCS 13.1 MP (2048 MB)
by Mark John Uniacke

9/21 0:01 +0.58 17.a4 Be7 18.Qc2 Nf4 19.Bxf4 exf4 (150.806) 135

9/21 0:01 +0.43 17.a4 Be7 18.Be3 Qc8 19.Qc2 Bf6
20.b4 Bxf5 21.exf5 Ne7 22.g4 (152.289) 135

9/21 0:01 +0.44 17.b4 (153.495) 135

9/21 0:01 +0.44 17.b4 Be7 (192.915) 135

9/21 0:01 +0.45 17.a3 (202.486) 135

9/21 0:01 +0.45 17.a3 Be7 18.Qc2 Bf6 19.b4 Qc8 20.a4 Nf4 (217.919) 135

9/21 0:01 +0.46 17.Qc2 (225.989) 135

9/21 0:01 +0.46 17.Qc2 Be7 18.b4 Bf6 19.b5 Nf4
20.Bxf4 exf4 (242.281) 135

10/22 0:01 +0.33 17.Qc2 Be7 18.Rg1 a5 19.a3 Bf6
20.Ref1 Nf4 (397.665) 217

10/22 0:01 +0.34 17.a3 (401.840) 217

10/22 0:01 +0.35 17.a3 Be7 18.b4 Bf6 (422.209) 217

10/22 0:01 +0.35 17.b4 (424.554) 217

10/22 0:01 +0.36 17.b4 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Qxe7 (451.961) 217

10/22 0:01 +0.37 17.Bg5 (487.606) 217

10/22 0:01 +0.39 17.Bg5 Qc8 18.Qc2 a5 19.Be3 a4 20.b4 f6
21.N3h4 Nxh4 22.Nxh4 (558.250) 281

11/22 0:02 +0.38 17.Bg5 Qc8 18.Qc2 a5 19.Be3 a4 20.b4 f6
21.N3h4 Nxh4 22.Nxh4 Qa6 (718.066) 281

12/22 0:02 +0.35 17.Bg5 Qc8 18.N3h4 f6 (1.094.132) 406

12/22 0:02 +0.36 17.b4 (1.108.319) 406

12/22 0:02 +0.36 17.b4 Be7 (1.173.920) 406

13/34 0:05 +0.21 17.b4 Be7 18.h3 Bf6 19.Kh2 Qc8
20.Ng3 c5 21.Nh5 Be7 22.b5 a5 23.a4 Qc7 (3.212.925) 629

13/34 0:05 +0.22 17.Bg5 (3.230.760) 629

13/34 0:05 +0.37 17.Bg5 Qc8 18.N3h4 Nxh4 19.Bxh4 Bxf5
20.exf5 Be7 21.Bg3 Qd7 22.f4 exf4 (3.651.279) 647

14/34 0:07 +0.24 17.Bg5 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Nxe7 19.b4 f6
20.Bd2 Ng6 21.Rb1 Nf4 22.Bxf4 exf4
23.Rfe1 (5.327.794) 666

14/34 0:08 +0.25 17.a3 (5.395.413) 666

14/34 0:08 +0.25 17.a3 Be7 18.Kg1 Bf6 19.h3 a5 20.a4 Qc8
21.Ng3 Be7 22.Nh5 Qb7 (5.897.153) 680

15/34 0:11 +0.22 17.a3 Be7 18.b4 Bf6 (8.258.530) 718

15/34 0:11 +0.23 17.Bg5 (8.277.009) 718

15/34 0:11 +0.24 17.Bg5 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Nxe7 19.b4 f6
20.Bd2 Ng6 21.Rb1 Qc8 22.a3 f5 (8.661.254) 725

16/34 0:16 +0.24 17.Bg5 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Nxe7 19.b4 f6
20.Bd2 Ng6 21.Rb1 Qe7 22.Rfe1 a6
23.a3 Rab8 24.Kg1 Rbd8 25.Be3 Nf4
26.Bxf4 (12.550.167) 772

16/34 0:19 +0.25 17.Ng3 (15.454.624) 786

16/34 0:20 +0.25 17.Ng3 Be7 18.Kg1 Qc8 19.a4 a5 (15.984.798) 788

17/34 0:25 +0.22 17.Ng3 Be7 18.Kg1 Qc8 19.a4 a5
20.Rd1 Qb7 21.Rfe1 h6 22.h3 (20.724.436) 809

17/34 0:25 +0.23 17.Bg5 (20.992.844) 810

17/34 0:27 +0.24 17.Bg5 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Nxe7 19.b4 f6
20.Bd2 Ng6 21.Rb1 Qe7 22.Rfe1 a6
23.a3 Rac8 24.h3 (22.062.646) 815

17/34 0:28 +0.25 17.b4 (23.012.740) 817

17/34 0:31 +0.25 17.b4 Be7 18.h3 Bf6 19.Ng3 Qc8
20.Kg1 Be7 21.Rb1 c5 22.dxc6 Qxc6 (25.625.583) 818

18/36 0:52 +0.22 17.b4 Be7 18.Kg1 Bf6 (43.736.220) 832

18/36 0:52 +0.23 17.Bg5 (43.929.511) 832

18/36 0:54 +0.23 17.Bg5 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Nxe7 (45.743.612) 839

18/36 1:01 +0.24 17.h3 (51.470.571) 843

18/36 1:03 +0.24 17.h3 Be7 18.Kh2 Bf6 19.Ng3 a5
20.Be3 Qc8 (53.873.056) 845

19/36 1:36 +0.23 17.h3 Be7 18.Kh2 Bf6 19.Qc2 a5
20.Be3 Bxf5 21.exf5 Ne7 22.Qe4 Qd7
23.g4 h6 (81.629.986) 850

19/36 1:48 +0.24 17.Ng1 (93.264.614) 856

19/39 1:54 +0.24 17.Ng1 Ne7 18.Bg5 f6 (98.252.318) 858

20/41 2:51 +0.25 17.Ng1 Ne7 18.Ng3 Ng6 19.Qf3 Be7
20.Qh5 Nh4 21.N1e2 Bf6 (147.653.178) 860

21/41 4:04 +0.24 17.Ng1 Ne7 18.Ng3 Ng6 19.Qf3 Be7
20.Nf5 Bg5 21.Be3 Nh4 22.Nxh4 Bxh4
23.Ne2 Qc8 24.h3 Qa6 25.Qh5 Be7 (208.883.050) 854

22/41 6:43 +0.24 17.Ng1 Ne7 18.Ng3 Ng6 19.Qf3 Be7
20.Nf5 Bg5 21.Be3 h6 22.Ne2 Nh4
23.Nxh4 Bxh4 24.Qh5 Qf6 25.Kg1 (344.373.730) 852

23/42 14:35 +0.25 17.Ng1 Ne7 18.Ng3 Ng6 19.Qf3 Be7
20.Nf5 Bg5 21.Be3 b5 22.Ne2 bxc4 (725.581.574) 828

24/46 26:30 +0.24 17.Ng1 Be7 18.Qf3 Bg5 19.Be3 Nh4
20.Nxh4 Bxh4 21.Ne2 Rf8 22.Ng3 Bxg3
23.Qxg3 (1.307.875.258) 822

24/46 28:29 +0.25 17.Bg5 (1.406.947.377) 822

24/46 29:25 +0.25 17.Bg5 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Nxe7 (1.455.547.295) 824

25/54 48:09 +0.20 17.Bg5 Be7 18.Nxe7+ Nxe7 19.Nh4 h6
20.Bxe7 Qxe7 21.Nf5 Qf6 22.Re3 a5
23.Kg1 Kh7 24.Rfe1 Rf8 25.a3 Rae8
26.Rf3 Kh8 27.Qe3 Rc8 28.h3 Ra8 (2.420.908.902) 837

25/54 48:34 +0.21 17.Ng1 (2.441.490.483) 837

25/54 68:43 +0.25 17.Ng1 Ne7 18.Ng3 Ng6 19.Qf3 h6
20.N1e2 Be7 21.Nf5 Bg5 22.Be3 Nh4
23.Nxh4 Bxh4 24.Qh5 Qf6 25.Rd1 Bg5
26.f4 exf4 27.Bxf4 Bxf4 28.Rxf4 Qg6
29.Qxg6 fxg6 30.Nc3 (3.415.834.649) 828

26/54 103:41 +0.22 17.Ng1 Ne7 18.Ng3 Ng6 19.h3 Be7
20.Nf3 Qc8 (5.104.142.083) 820

26/54 126:41 +0.23 17.h3 (6.213.987.907) 817

26/54 135:40 +0.23 17.h3 Be7 18.Rc1 Bf6 19.Rfe1 Qc8
20.Ng3 Qb7 (6.648.072.879) 816


It seems to be that Hiarcs doesn't have any idea of how to continue here
Top
LaurenceChen
Posts: 101
Joined: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:58 am

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by LaurenceChen »

Studying this position, I would play 1. g3 with the intention to continue with the plan of opening up the h-file by moving the King to g2 and pushing the h-pawn to h4-h5 and to bring the Rook to h-file. Of course Black can try to stop White from achieving this plan, however, I believe that Black would make some positional concessions which White can then exploit.
Top
Werewolf
Posts: 2080
Joined: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:24 pm
Full name: Carl Bicknell

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by Werewolf »

If I could secure f4 I'd want to play g4 & Rg1 here
Top
yanquis1972
Posts: 1766
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:14 am

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by yanquis1972 »

zappa is the only engine i tried that seemed to have an active plan in this position.
Top
zullil
Posts: 6442
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:31 am
Location: PA USA
Full name: Louis Zulli

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by zullil »

yanquis1972 wrote:zappa is the only engine i tried that seemed to have an active plan in this position.
Which was what, if I may ask? :D
Top
zullil
Posts: 6442
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:31 am
Location: PA USA
Full name: Louis Zulli

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by zullil »

Arturo Ochoa wrote:[d]r2qrbk1/p1pb1ppp/1p1p2n1/3PpN2/2P1P3/1P1Q1N2/P2B1PPP/4RR1K w - -

It seems to be that Hiarcs doesn't have any idea of how to continue here
Here are the three best lines at depth 35, according to Stockfish-1.7.1. No clear choice here!

Code: Select all

info multipv 1 score cp 0 depth 35 time 39825861 nodes 283079895823 nps 7107941 pv f3g1 a8b8 a2a4 g6h4 f5g3 f8e7 g1e2 h4g6 e2c3 a7a6 h1g1 e7g5 g3f5 g5f4 c3e2 d8g5 e2f4 e5f4 f2f3 e8e5 f5d4 g5h4 d4f5 h4g5
 
info multipv 2 score cp 0 depth 35 time 39825861 nodes 283079895823 nps 7107941 pv h1g1 f8e7 e1d1 a7a5 f1e1 e7f6 f5g3 e8f8 g3f5 f8e8
 
info multipv 3 score cp 0 depth 35 time 39825861 nodes 283079895823 nps 7107941 pv e1e2 f8e7 h1g1 e7f6 f1d1 a7a5 e2e1 g6f8 f5g3 f8g6 d1b1 f6e7 g3h5 d7g4 h5g3 g4d7
Top
yanquis1972
Posts: 1766
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:14 am

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by yanquis1972 »

zappa's idea was Rg1 & g4 to create activity on the kingside.
Top
yanquis1972
Posts: 1766
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:14 am

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by yanquis1972 »

junior has a similar plan:



r2qrbk1/p1pb1ppp/1p1p2n1/3PpN2/2P1P3/1P1Q1N2/P2B1PPP/4RR1K w - -

Engine: Deep Junior 11.2 UCI (1024 MB)
by Amir Ban / Shay Bushinsky

15.01 0:01 +0.23 1.a4 h6 2.Qc2 Ne7 3.Ng3 Ng6 (10.377.036) 5862

15.36 0:04 +0.26 1.h3 h6 2.b4 a6 3.Kh2 Be7 4.g3 Bf6
5.Be3 Bxf5 6.exf5 (14.098.384) 3008

15.43 0:06 +0.39 1.g4 h6 2.Rg1 (29.121.920) 4504

17.01 0:10 +0.23 1.g4 Nf4 2.Bxf4 exf4 3.Qd2 g6 4.N5d4 Bxg4
5.Qxf4 Bxf3+ 6.Qxf3 Bg7 7.Nc6 Qf6
8.Qe3 a5 9.Rg1 (59.327.903) 5538

17.46 0:22 +0.28 1.g3 h6 2.a4 Qc8 3.Rg1 a5 4.N3h4 Kh8
5.Qf3 Nxh4 6.gxh4 Bxf5 7.exf5 Be7
8.h5 Bf6 9.Be3 (142.048.768) 6186

18.01 0:30 +0.25 1.g3 h6 2.b4 Qf6 3.a3 Ne7 4.g4 g5
5.h3 Ng6 6.b5 Nf4 7.Bxf4 gxf4 8.Rg1 Bxf5
9.gxf5+ (198.032.443) 6458

19.01 0:49 +0.21 1.g3 h6 2.b4 a6 3.Rg1 Be7 4.Ne3 Bf6
5.h4 Ne7 6.Bc3 c6 7.dxc6 Bxc6 8.Rd1 Ba4
9.Rd2 Bc6 (330.991.747) 6645

19.44 1:33 +0.35 1.g4 h6 2.Rg1 Ne7 3.a3 a5 4.a4 f6
5.h4 Kh8 6.h5 (589.120.331) 6327

20.01 1:57 +0.35 1.g4 h6 2.Rg1 Ne7 3.b4 a6 4.Rg3 Kh7
5.h4 Nxf5 6.exf5 b5 7.c5 dxc5 8.f6+ Kg8
9.fxg7 Kxg7 10.Bc3 (804.172.309) 6847

21.01 2:34 +0.33 1.g4 Nf4 2.Bxf4 exf4 3.g5 g6 (1.035.567.525) 6713

22.01 3:03 +0.26 1.g4 Nf4 2.Bxf4 exf4 3.g5 g6 4.Nh6+ Bxh6
5.gxh6 Bg4 6.Rg1 Bxf3+ 7.Qxf3 Qh4
8.Rg4 Qxh6 9.Rxf4 f5 10.a4 (1.212.497.126) 6607

22.44 7:20 +0.34 1.Rg1 Ne7 2.g4 h6 3.b4 a6 4.h3 Kh7
5.Ng3 b5 6.c5 Ng6 7.Rc1 c6 8.Nf5 cxd5
9.Nxd6 Bxd6 10.cxd6 (2.887.344.923) 6559

23.01 9:37 +0.38 1.Rg1 Ne7 2.g4 a5 3.h4 h6 4.h5 (3.847.957.542) 6659

24.01 11:12 +0.38 1.Rg1 Ne7 2.g4 a5 3.h4 h6 4.h5 a4
5.b4 Nxf5 6.gxf5 Kh8 7.Qe3 b5 8.c5 c6
9.Rc1 (4.457.504.151) 6632

25.01 18:21 +0.35 1.Rg1 a5 2.g4 Ne7 3.h4 (7.423.206.687) 6740
Top
User avatar
Arturo Ochoa
Posts: 220
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:27 pm
Location: Montréal, Canada

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by Arturo Ochoa »

LaurenceChen wrote:Studying this position, I would play 1. g3 with the intention to continue with the plan of opening up the h-file by moving the King to g2 and pushing the h-pawn to h4-h5 and to bring the Rook to h-file. Of course Black can try to stop White from achieving this plan, however, I believe that Black would make some positional concessions which White can then exploit.
This is the plan that I want to follow. I think it is the more suitable. Thank you.
Top
S.Taylor
Posts: 8514
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:25 am
Location: Jerusalem Israel

Re: Test position: Hiarcs doesn't know what to do

Post by S.Taylor »

Arturo Ochoa wrote:
LaurenceChen wrote:Studying this position, I would play 1. g3 with the intention to continue with the plan of opening up the h-file by moving the King to g2 and pushing the h-pawn to h4-h5 and to bring the Rook to h-file. Of course Black can try to stop White from achieving this plan, however, I believe that Black would make some positional concessions which White can then exploit.
This is the plan that I want to follow. I think it is the more suitable. Thank you.
If this were a group game, I would vote for this, too.
(However, Black is well defended, I think).
Top

Return to “Computer Chess Club: General Topics”