I am looking for a mechanical score to all of the 'Der brillante Schachzug' positions, and I have solved all but 9. Some have the right best move choice, but they have a terrible ce, so the plan cannot be right.
At the end of each position, I have added my calculated pv and ce.
[d]1rr1b1k1/1pq1bp2/p2p1np1/4p3/P2BP3/2NB2Q1/1PP3PP/4RR1K w - - bm Rxf6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (009) - Siz. Qualitätsopfer"; pv Ba7 Ra8 Be3 Qd8 Qf3 b5 Bg5 b4 Bxf6 bxc3 b3 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 Rxf6 Rc6 Bc4 Kg7 Ref1 Rxc4 bxc4; ce 109;
[d]2K5/8/8/2P4n/8/8/1Npk3B/8 w - - bm c6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (011) - L&S vs S"; pv c6 c1=Q; ce -696;
[d]nk1b4/2rPp3/4Q1p1/1K2Br2/5P2/8/1P6/8 w - - bm Ka6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (015) - Zugzwang"; pv b4 Rxe5+ Qxe5 Ka7 Qe3+ Kb8 Qe5; ce 0;
[d]5nr1/2Pp2pk/3Pp1p1/4P1P1/6P1/5K2/8/7n w - - bm c8=N; id "Der brillante Schachzug (024) - Zugzwang"; pv Kg2 Rh8 Kxh1 Kg8+ Kg2 Rh4 Kg3 Rh1 c8=Q Kf7 Qc5 Rb1 Qf2+ Ke8 Qd4 Kf7 Kf4 Nh7 Ke3 Re1+; ce 214;
[d]3k4/8/3N4/P7/6pb/8/6P1/2K1n3 w - - bm Nf7+; id "Der brillante Schachzug (033) - S&B vs L&S"; pv a6 Bf2 Ne4 Ba7 Nf6 Nd3+ Kd2 Ne5 Kc3 Ke7 Nd5+ Kd6 Nf4 Kc6 Ne6 Kb5 Nf4 Kxa6 Nd3 Nxd3 Kxd3 g3 Kc4 Kb6 Kd3 Kc6 Ke2 Kd5 Ke1 Bf2+ Kd2 Ke4 Ke2 Be3 Kd1 Kd3 Ke1 Bd2+ Kf1 Ke3 Kg1 Ke2 Kh1 Bc3 Kg1 Bd4+ Kh1 Bf6 Kg1 Be5 Kh1 Bf4 Kg1 Bd6 Kh1 Bf8 Kg1 Bc5+ Kh1 Bd4; ce -569;
[d]4Q3/4n1r1/6Pp/1B6/8/8/6r1/5K1k w - - bm a5a6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (035) - D&L vs T&T&S"; pv a5a6 Bh4f2 g2g3 Ne1f3 Kc1d1 Nf3e5; ce -577;
[d]3k4/2pq3p/pp5R/4P3/P6P/2PN4/1PN3K1/8 w - - bm Nd4; id "Der brillante Schachzug (053)"; pv Kf3 Qxd3+ Ne3 Qb1 Kf4 Qxb2 Rxh7 Qf2+ Ke4 Qa2 Rh8+ Kd7 h5 Qxa4+ Kf5 Qa2 Ng4 Qb1+ Kf6 Qf1+ Kg5 Ke7 h6 Qc1+ Kh5 Qh1+ Kg5 Kf7 Rh7+ Ke6 Rxc7 Qc1+ Kg6 Qb1+ Kh5 Qh1+ Kg5; ce 0;
[d]2r1r1k1/4bppp/1q4n1/3pP3/p1pP4/PnR2NBP/1P4P1/1B1QR2K w - - bm Nb2c4+; id "Der brillante Schachzug (057)"; pv Nb2c4+ Kd2e2 c5c6 c2c1Q c6c7 Qc1xc4 Bh2e5 Qc4b3 Kc8d8 Qb3d5+ Kd8c8 Ke2e3 Kc8b8 Qd5xe5 Kb8a8 Qe5d5+ Ka8b8 Qd5b5+ Kb8a8 Qb5c6+ Ka8b8 Qc6d6 Kb8b7 Qd6b4+ Kb7a7 Qb4c3 Ka7b7 Qc3b3+ Kb7c6 Qb3c2+ Kc6b7 Qc2b1+ Kb7a7 Qb1f5 Ka7b7 Qf5f3+ Kb7b8 Qf3f4 Kb8b7 Qf4e4+ Kb7a; ce -923;
[d]1rbr2k1/4q1p1/p2bp2p/8/R6P/3QB1P1/4PPB1/2R3K1 w - - bm Bxh6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (064)"; pv Rg4 Rb4 Qg6 Rxg4 Qxg4 Qf6; ce 177;
9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
Spark-0.4 (8 threads) givesDann Corbit wrote:I am looking for a mechanical score to all of the 'Der brillante Schachzug' positions, and I have solved all but 9. Some have the right best move choice, but they have a terrible ce, so the plan cannot be right.
At the end of each position, I have added my calculated pv and ce.
[d]1rr1b1k1/1pq1bp2/p2p1np1/4p3/P2BP3/2NB2Q1/1PP3PP/4RR1K w - - bm Rxf6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (009) - Siz. Qualitätsopfer"; pv Ba7 Ra8 Be3 Qd8 Qf3 b5 Bg5 b4 Bxf6 bxc3 b3 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 Rxf6 Rc6 Bc4 Kg7 Ref1 Rxc4 bxc4; ce 109;
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
The bm and pv for these two must be incorrect.Dann Corbit wrote:I am looking for a mechanical score to all of the 'Der brillante Schachzug' positions, and I have solved all but 9. Some have the right best move choice, but they have a terrible ce, so the plan cannot be right.
At the end of each position, I have added my calculated pv and ce.
[d]4Q3/4n1r1/6Pp/1B6/8/8/6r1/5K1k w - - bm a5a6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (035) - D&L vs T&T&S"; pv a5a6 Bh4f2 g2g3 Ne1f3 Kc1d1 Nf3e5; ce -577;
[d]2r1r1k1/4bppp/1q4n1/3pP3/p1pP4/PnR2NBP/1P4P1/1B1QR2K w - - bm Nb2c4+; id "Der brillante Schachzug (057)"; pv Nb2c4+ Kd2e2 c5c6 c2c1Q c6c7 Qc1xc4 Bh2e5 Qc4b3 Kc8d8 Qb3d5+ Kd8c8 Ke2e3 Kc8b8 Qd5xe5 Kb8a8 Qe5d5+ Ka8b8 Qd5b5+ Kb8a8 Qb5c6+ Ka8b8 Qc6d6 Kb8b7 Qd6b4+ Kb7a7 Qb4c3 Ka7b7 Qc3b3+ Kb7c6 Qb3c2+ Kc6b7 Qc2b1+ Kb7a7 Qb1f5 Ka7b7 Qf5f3+ Kb7b8 Qf3f4 Kb8b7 Qf4e4+ Kb7a; ce -923;
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
Egads, you are right.zullil wrote:The bm and pv for these two must be incorrect.Dann Corbit wrote:I am looking for a mechanical score to all of the 'Der brillante Schachzug' positions, and I have solved all but 9. Some have the right best move choice, but they have a terrible ce, so the plan cannot be right.
At the end of each position, I have added my calculated pv and ce.
[d]4Q3/4n1r1/6Pp/1B6/8/8/6r1/5K1k w - - bm a5a6; id "Der brillante Schachzug (035) - D&L vs T&T&S"; pv a5a6 Bh4f2 g2g3 Ne1f3 Kc1d1 Nf3e5; ce -577;
[d]2r1r1k1/4bppp/1q4n1/3pP3/p1pP4/PnR2NBP/1P4P1/1B1QR2K w - - bm Nb2c4+; id "Der brillante Schachzug (057)"; pv Nb2c4+ Kd2e2 c5c6 c2c1Q c6c7 Qc1xc4 Bh2e5 Qc4b3 Kc8d8 Qb3d5+ Kd8c8 Ke2e3 Kc8b8 Qd5xe5 Kb8a8 Qe5d5+ Ka8b8 Qd5b5+ Kb8a8 Qb5c6+ Ka8b8 Qc6d6 Kb8b7 Qd6b4+ Kb7a7 Qb4c3 Ka7b7 Qc3b3+ Kb7c6 Qb3c2+ Kc6b7 Qc2b1+ Kb7a7 Qb1f5 Ka7b7 Qf5f3+ Kb7b8 Qf3f4 Kb8b7 Qf4e4+ Kb7a; ce -923;
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
DR4 prefers Rxf6 very quickly (d15) in mpv mode.
spv is a different story:
New game
1rr1b1k1/1pq1bp2/p2p1np1/4p3/P2BP3/2NB2Q1/1PP3PP/4RR1K w - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Rybka 4:
1.Be3 Ra8 2.Qf3 b5 3.Ra1 Qb7 4.axb5 axb5 5.Rxa8 Rxa8 6.Bg5
+/= (0.66) Depth: 6 00:00:00 6kN
1.Be3 Ra8 2.Qf3 b5 3.Ra1 Qb7 4.axb5 axb5 5.Rxa8 Rxa8 6.Bg5 b4 7.Bxf6
+/= (0.66) Depth: 7 00:00:00 12kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 a5 5.Rd1 Bd7 6.Bg5 Bg4 7.Qf2
+/= (0.40) Depth: 8 00:00:00 88kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 a5 5.Rd1 Bd7 6.Bg5 Bg4 7.Qf2
+/= (0.40) Depth: 9 00:00:00 102kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 a5 5.Rd1 Bd7 6.Bg5 Bg4 7.Qf2
+/= (0.52) Depth: 10 00:00:00 135kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 Qd7 5.Bg5 Nh5 6.Bd2 Qb7 7.Rd1 Nf6 8.b3
+/= (0.53) Depth: 10 00:00:00 151kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 Qd7 5.Bg5 Nh5 6.Bd2 Qb7 7.Rd1 Nf6 8.b3
+/= (0.53) Depth: 11 00:00:00 182kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Ba7 Ra8 3.Be3 Qd8 4.Rd1 Bg4 5.Ra1 Be6 6.a5 Ng4 7.Bb6 Bh4 8.Qf3 Qf6
+/= (0.45) Depth: 12 00:00:03 964kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Ba7 Ra8 3.Be3 Be6 4.Ra1 Qa5 5.Bd2 Bd8 6.Rab1 Qb6 7.Be3 Qb4 8.Qf3 Ng4 9.Bd2 Bb6
+/= (0.42) Depth: 13 00:00:04 1088kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Ba7 Ra8 3.Be3 Be6 4.Ra1 Qa5 5.Bd2 Bd8 6.Rab1 Qb6 7.Be3 Qb4 8.Qf3 Ng4 9.Bd2 Bb6
+/= (0.42) Depth: 14 00:00:04 1309kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qd8 4.Ba7 Bh4 5.Qf3 f5 6.Bxb8 Rxb8 7.Ra1 e4 8.Bxe4 fxe4 9.Qf7+ Kh8 10.Qxg6
+/= (0.54) Depth: 15 00:00:08 2441kN
1.Bf2 Nh5 2.Qf3 Nf4 3.Be3 Nxd3 4.cxd3 Bh4 5.Rc1 Qd7 6.b3 Kh7 7.Nd5 Rxc1
+/= (0.53) Depth: 15 00:00:22 5972kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Nh7 5.Bd2 Qb7 6.Ne3 Bg5 7.b3 Bc6
+/= (0.56) Depth: 15 00:00:22 5972kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Qd7 5.Bd2 a5 6.Bg5 Nh7 7.Bxe7 Qxe7 8.Ne3 Bxa4 9.Qg3 Rf8 10.Nd5 Qd8 11.Qe3 Bc6 12.Bc4 Kh8 13.Rd1 Rc8 14.Nb6
+/= (0.60) Depth: 16 00:00:47 11700kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Qd7 5.Bd2 a5 6.Bg5 Nh7 7.Bxe7 Qxe7 8.Ne3 Bxa4 9.Qg3 Rf8 10.Nd5 Qd8 11.Qe3 Bc6 12.Bc4 Kh8 13.Rd1 Rc8 14.Nb6
+/= (0.60) Depth: 17 00:00:53 13624kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Qd8 5.Bd2 Bxa4 6.Bg5 Kg7 7.Ne3 Be8 8.Rd1 a5 9.Nc4 Nd7 10.Be3 Nc5 11.Be2 Qc7 12.Rxd6 Bxd6 13.Qf6+
+/- (0.72) Depth: 18 00:02:15 34286kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 bxa4 4.Bg5 Nh7 5.Bxe7 Qxe7 6.Nd5 Qd8 7.Qe3 Rab8 8.Qh6 Rc6 9.Ra1 Rc5 10.Rf3 Qg5 11.Nf6+ Qxf6 12.Rxf6 Nxf6 13.Qg5 Kg7 14.Rf1 Ng8 15.Qc1 Bb5 16.Qd1
+/= (0.62) Depth: 18 00:03:19 51512kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 bxa4 4.Bg5 Nh7 5.Bxe7 Qxe7 6.Nd5 Qd8 7.Qe3 Rab8 8.Qh6 Rc6 9.Ra1 Rc5 10.Rf3 Qg5 11.Nf6+ Qxf6 12.Rxf6 Nxf6 13.Qg5 Kg7 14.Rf1 Ng8 15.Qc1 Bb5 16.Qd1
+/= (0.62) Depth: 19 00:03:28 54376kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.axb5 axb5 4.Rxf6
+/- (0.74) Depth: 20 00:07:25 124mN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.axb5 axb5 4.Rxf6
+/- (0.89) Depth: 20 00:07:25 124mN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 Qd8 3.Qf3 Rab8 4.Bg5 Nh5 5.Bxe7 Qxe7 6.Nd5 Qf8 7.g3 Bxa4 8.Nb6 Be8 9.Nxc8 Rxc8 10.Rf2 f6 11.b3 Kh7 12.Bc4 Qe7 13.Bd5 Bc6 14.Bxc6 Rxc6 15.c4 b5 16.Rc2
+/- (0.78) Depth: 20 00:21:31 348mN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 Qd7 3.Qf3 Qe6 4.Bg5 Kg7 5.Ra1 Ng8 6.Bd2 Nf6 7.Qe2 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.Nxd5 Qxd5 10.Be4 Qd7 11.Ba5 Bd6 12.Qf3 Rc4 13.Bxb7
+/- (0.79) Depth: 21 00:28:55 476mN
1.Rxf6 Bxf6 2.Nd5 Qd8 3.Bb6 Bh4 4.Qh3
+/- (0.90) Depth: 21 00:30:09 496mN
1.Rxf6 Bxf6 2.Nd5
+/- (1.05) Depth: 21 00:35:51 608mN
1.Rxf6 Bxf6 2.Nd5
+- (1.45) Depth: 21 00:37:59 642mN
spv is a different story:
New game
1rr1b1k1/1pq1bp2/p2p1np1/4p3/P2BP3/2NB2Q1/1PP3PP/4RR1K w - - 0 1
Analysis by Deep Rybka 4:
1.Be3 Ra8 2.Qf3 b5 3.Ra1 Qb7 4.axb5 axb5 5.Rxa8 Rxa8 6.Bg5
+/= (0.66) Depth: 6 00:00:00 6kN
1.Be3 Ra8 2.Qf3 b5 3.Ra1 Qb7 4.axb5 axb5 5.Rxa8 Rxa8 6.Bg5 b4 7.Bxf6
+/= (0.66) Depth: 7 00:00:00 12kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 a5 5.Rd1 Bd7 6.Bg5 Bg4 7.Qf2
+/= (0.40) Depth: 8 00:00:00 88kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 a5 5.Rd1 Bd7 6.Bg5 Bg4 7.Qf2
+/= (0.40) Depth: 9 00:00:00 102kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 a5 5.Rd1 Bd7 6.Bg5 Bg4 7.Qf2
+/= (0.52) Depth: 10 00:00:00 135kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 Qd7 5.Bg5 Nh5 6.Bd2 Qb7 7.Rd1 Nf6 8.b3
+/= (0.53) Depth: 10 00:00:00 151kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Ne2 Qd7 5.Bg5 Nh5 6.Bd2 Qb7 7.Rd1 Nf6 8.b3
+/= (0.53) Depth: 11 00:00:00 182kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Ba7 Ra8 3.Be3 Qd8 4.Rd1 Bg4 5.Ra1 Be6 6.a5 Ng4 7.Bb6 Bh4 8.Qf3 Qf6
+/= (0.45) Depth: 12 00:00:03 964kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Ba7 Ra8 3.Be3 Be6 4.Ra1 Qa5 5.Bd2 Bd8 6.Rab1 Qb6 7.Be3 Qb4 8.Qf3 Ng4 9.Bd2 Bb6
+/= (0.42) Depth: 13 00:00:04 1088kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Ba7 Ra8 3.Be3 Be6 4.Ra1 Qa5 5.Bd2 Bd8 6.Rab1 Qb6 7.Be3 Qb4 8.Qf3 Ng4 9.Bd2 Bb6
+/= (0.42) Depth: 14 00:00:04 1309kN
1.Bf2 Bd7 2.Nd5 Nxd5 3.exd5 Qd8 4.Ba7 Bh4 5.Qf3 f5 6.Bxb8 Rxb8 7.Ra1 e4 8.Bxe4 fxe4 9.Qf7+ Kh8 10.Qxg6
+/= (0.54) Depth: 15 00:00:08 2441kN
1.Bf2 Nh5 2.Qf3 Nf4 3.Be3 Nxd3 4.cxd3 Bh4 5.Rc1 Qd7 6.b3 Kh7 7.Nd5 Rxc1
+/= (0.53) Depth: 15 00:00:22 5972kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Nh7 5.Bd2 Qb7 6.Ne3 Bg5 7.b3 Bc6
+/= (0.56) Depth: 15 00:00:22 5972kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Qd7 5.Bd2 a5 6.Bg5 Nh7 7.Bxe7 Qxe7 8.Ne3 Bxa4 9.Qg3 Rf8 10.Nd5 Qd8 11.Qe3 Bc6 12.Bc4 Kh8 13.Rd1 Rc8 14.Nb6
+/= (0.60) Depth: 16 00:00:47 11700kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Qd7 5.Bd2 a5 6.Bg5 Nh7 7.Bxe7 Qxe7 8.Ne3 Bxa4 9.Qg3 Rf8 10.Nd5 Qd8 11.Qe3 Bc6 12.Bc4 Kh8 13.Rd1 Rc8 14.Nb6
+/= (0.60) Depth: 17 00:00:53 13624kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 b4 4.Nd1 Qd8 5.Bd2 Bxa4 6.Bg5 Kg7 7.Ne3 Be8 8.Rd1 a5 9.Nc4 Nd7 10.Be3 Nc5 11.Be2 Qc7 12.Rxd6 Bxd6 13.Qf6+
+/- (0.72) Depth: 18 00:02:15 34286kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 bxa4 4.Bg5 Nh7 5.Bxe7 Qxe7 6.Nd5 Qd8 7.Qe3 Rab8 8.Qh6 Rc6 9.Ra1 Rc5 10.Rf3 Qg5 11.Nf6+ Qxf6 12.Rxf6 Nxf6 13.Qg5 Kg7 14.Rf1 Ng8 15.Qc1 Bb5 16.Qd1
+/= (0.62) Depth: 18 00:03:19 51512kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.Qf3 bxa4 4.Bg5 Nh7 5.Bxe7 Qxe7 6.Nd5 Qd8 7.Qe3 Rab8 8.Qh6 Rc6 9.Ra1 Rc5 10.Rf3 Qg5 11.Nf6+ Qxf6 12.Rxf6 Nxf6 13.Qg5 Kg7 14.Rf1 Ng8 15.Qc1 Bb5 16.Qd1
+/= (0.62) Depth: 19 00:03:28 54376kN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.axb5 axb5 4.Rxf6
+/- (0.74) Depth: 20 00:07:25 124mN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 b5 3.axb5 axb5 4.Rxf6
+/- (0.89) Depth: 20 00:07:25 124mN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 Qd8 3.Qf3 Rab8 4.Bg5 Nh5 5.Bxe7 Qxe7 6.Nd5 Qf8 7.g3 Bxa4 8.Nb6 Be8 9.Nxc8 Rxc8 10.Rf2 f6 11.b3 Kh7 12.Bc4 Qe7 13.Bd5 Bc6 14.Bxc6 Rxc6 15.c4 b5 16.Rc2
+/- (0.78) Depth: 20 00:21:31 348mN
1.Ba7 Ra8 2.Be3 Qd7 3.Qf3 Qe6 4.Bg5 Kg7 5.Ra1 Ng8 6.Bd2 Nf6 7.Qe2 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.Nxd5 Qxd5 10.Be4 Qd7 11.Ba5 Bd6 12.Qf3 Rc4 13.Bxb7
+/- (0.79) Depth: 21 00:28:55 476mN
1.Rxf6 Bxf6 2.Nd5 Qd8 3.Bb6 Bh4 4.Qh3
+/- (0.90) Depth: 21 00:30:09 496mN
1.Rxf6 Bxf6 2.Nd5
+/- (1.05) Depth: 21 00:35:51 608mN
1.Rxf6 Bxf6 2.Nd5
+- (1.45) Depth: 21 00:37:59 642mN
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
dann, do you have a rough time/depth limit on these positions? (obviously positions searched/time would vary with various hardware)
i assume you've at least double checked each position to make sure the bm is accurate.
trying rybka on the last one now, i don't think i'll go near the endgame ones, at least not yet.
i assume you've at least double checked each position to make sure the bm is accurate.
trying rybka on the last one now, i don't think i'll go near the endgame ones, at least not yet.
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
I ran at 2 hours with 4 x 3GHz CPUs and 2 GB hash.yanquis1972 wrote:dann, do you have a rough time/depth limit on these positions? (obviously positions searched/time would vary with various hardware)
i assume you've at least double checked each position to make sure the bm is accurate.
trying rybka on the last one now, i don't think i'll go near the endgame ones, at least not yet.
I have tried 5 engines each.
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
i'm particularly interested in this one:
[d]1rbr2k1/4q1p1/p2bp2p/8/R6P/3QB1P1/4PPB1/2R3K1 w - - bm Bxh6
it's an embarrassment if no top engine can't solve this on such hardware given 2 hours. seems like a move that would be deeply examined by any engine with good king safety awareness.
[d]1rbr2k1/4q1p1/p2bp2p/8/R6P/3QB1P1/4PPB1/2R3K1 w - - bm Bxh6
it's an embarrassment if no top engine can't solve this on such hardware given 2 hours. seems like a move that would be deeply examined by any engine with good king safety awareness.
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yanquis1972
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
bumping this because i'd really like to see if we can't solve the other 8, if anyone else has the hardware/time & inclination. also if dann could correct the errors i'd appreciate it.
dann, did you use the same 5 engines and if so, what were they?
dann, did you use the same 5 engines and if so, what were they?
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Re: 9 troublemakers from Der brillante Schachzug
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Zappa Mexico II
Modified
11/35 0:03 +0.91 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.Bxb8 Bd7 4.Rxa6 Ra3 5.Rxa3 Qxa3 (33.762.807) 9436
11/35 0:03 +0.91 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.Bxb8 Bd7 4.Rxa6 Ra3 5.Rxa3 Qxa3 (36.389.055) 9506
12/37 0:04 +0.87 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Bb7 5.Rxe5 (40.879.159) 9582
12/41 0:08 +0.87 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Bb7 5.Rxe5 (83.416.651) 10016
13/45 0:09 +1.06 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qf8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 (98.808.068) 10022
13/45 0:20 +1.06 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qf8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 (210.675.642) 10292
14/47 0:23 +1.03 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qd8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 6.Bd5+ (244.283.610) 10224
14/47 0:58 +1.03 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qd8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 6.Bd5+ (587.228.267) 9998
15/49 1:27 +0.98 1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Rg4+ Kh8 3.Qg6 Qf8 4.Be4 Rd7 5.Rc3 Rf7 6.Rf3 Rf5 7.Bc2 (866.234.402) 9859
15/49 3:17 +0.98 1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Rg4+ Kh8 3.Qg6 Qf8 4.Be4 Rd7 5.Rc3 Rf7 6.Rf3 Rf5 7.Bc2 (1.893.312.542) 9603
16/51 4:20 +0.48 1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Rg4+ Kh8 3.Qg6 Qf8 4.Be4 Rd7 5.Rc3 Rf7 6.Rf3 Rf5 7.h5 Rb4 (2.488.242.031) 9538
16/51 6:08 +0.72 1.Rd1 Bb7 2.Rd4 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Bc7 4.Qxa6 Rxd4 5.Rxd4 Rd8 6.Rc4 Rd1 7.Qc8+ (3.518.547.863) 9559
16/51 13:51 +0.72 1.Rd1 Bb7 2.Rd4 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Bc7 4.Qxa6 Rxd4 5.Rxd4 Rd8 6.Rc4 Rd1 7.Qc8+ (7.905.281.372) 9509
Rybka 3
21.13 9:54 +1.09++ 1.Bxh6 (370.371.512) 638
21.01 10:48 +1.29++ 1.Bxh6 (394.209.625) 622
21.01 16:02 +1.56 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 Bxf6 4.Be3 Rb5 5.Be4 Rb3 6.Kg2 Rb2 7.Bf3 Re8 8.Rc7 (551.330.655) 586
22.01 19:25 +1.59 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 Bxf6 4.Be3 Rb5 5.Be4 Rb3 6.Kg2 Rb2 7.Bf3 Re8 8.Rc7 Be5 (655.486.378) 575
Rybka 3
21.12 10:03 +1.11++ 1.Bxh6 (429.237.474) 727
21.01 11:23 +1.31++ 1.Bxh6 (470.321.348) 704
21.01 15:46 +1.56 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 (624.799.098) 676
22.01 20:13 +1.58 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 Bxf6 4.Be3 Rb2 5.Bf3 Re8 6.Kg2 Rd8 7.Ra5 Rb5 8.Rxb5 axb5 9.Bb6 Rf8 10.Rc7 Bd8 11.Rxc8 Bxb6 12.Rc6 Rb8 13.Rxe6 b4 14.Bd5 (779.241.255) 657
Zappa Mexico II
Default settings
14/45 0:25 +0.59 1.Rd1 Bd7 2.Rd4 Bb5 3.Qg6 Be8 4.Qg4 Kh8 5.Be4 Rbc8 6.R4d2 (257.096.340) 10163
14/47 0:59 +0.66 1.Qc2 Bb7 2.Qa2 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Qb7+ 4.Kh2 Qb3 5.Qxb3 Rxb3 6.Rxa6 Kf7 (596.250.194) 10023
14/47 1:23 +0.66 1.Qc2 Bb7 2.Qa2 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Qb7+ 4.Kh2 Qb3 5.Qxb3 Rxb3 6.Rxa6 Kf7 (830.194.213) 9918
15/47 2:09 +0.69 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rd1 Be7 5.Bf4 Rb4 6.Rxb4 Bxb4 (1.274.362.461) 9831
15/49 3:41 +0.69 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rd1 Be7 5.Bf4 Rb4 6.Rxb4 Bxb4 (2.149.038.017) 9686
16/51 4:54 +0.65 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rac4 Bb7 5.Bxb7 Rxb7 6.Rc6 Rd8 7.Rd1 (2.836.268.100) 9620
16/51 10:57 +0.65 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rac4 Bb7 5.Bxb7 Rxb7 6.Rc6 Rd8 7.Rd1 (6.286.843.794) 9562
Zappa Mexico II
Modified
11/35 0:03 +0.91 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.Bxb8 Bd7 4.Rxa6 Ra3 5.Rxa3 Qxa3 (33.762.807) 9436
11/35 0:03 +0.91 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.Bxb8 Bd7 4.Rxa6 Ra3 5.Rxa3 Qxa3 (36.389.055) 9506
12/37 0:04 +0.87 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Bb7 5.Rxe5 (40.879.159) 9582
12/41 0:08 +0.87 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Bb7 5.Rxe5 (83.416.651) 10016
13/45 0:09 +1.06 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qf8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 (98.808.068) 10022
13/45 0:20 +1.06 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qf8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 (210.675.642) 10292
14/47 0:23 +1.03 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qd8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 6.Bd5+ (244.283.610) 10224
14/47 0:58 +1.03 1.Bxh6 Bf4 2.Bxf4 Rxd3 3.exd3 e5 4.Re4 Qd8 5.Rxe5 Rb2 6.Bd5+ (587.228.267) 9998
15/49 1:27 +0.98 1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Rg4+ Kh8 3.Qg6 Qf8 4.Be4 Rd7 5.Rc3 Rf7 6.Rf3 Rf5 7.Bc2 (866.234.402) 9859
15/49 3:17 +0.98 1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Rg4+ Kh8 3.Qg6 Qf8 4.Be4 Rd7 5.Rc3 Rf7 6.Rf3 Rf5 7.Bc2 (1.893.312.542) 9603
16/51 4:20 +0.48 1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Rg4+ Kh8 3.Qg6 Qf8 4.Be4 Rd7 5.Rc3 Rf7 6.Rf3 Rf5 7.h5 Rb4 (2.488.242.031) 9538
16/51 6:08 +0.72 1.Rd1 Bb7 2.Rd4 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Bc7 4.Qxa6 Rxd4 5.Rxd4 Rd8 6.Rc4 Rd1 7.Qc8+ (3.518.547.863) 9559
16/51 13:51 +0.72 1.Rd1 Bb7 2.Rd4 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Bc7 4.Qxa6 Rxd4 5.Rxd4 Rd8 6.Rc4 Rd1 7.Qc8+ (7.905.281.372) 9509
Rybka 3
21.13 9:54 +1.09++ 1.Bxh6 (370.371.512) 638
21.01 10:48 +1.29++ 1.Bxh6 (394.209.625) 622
21.01 16:02 +1.56 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 Bxf6 4.Be3 Rb5 5.Be4 Rb3 6.Kg2 Rb2 7.Bf3 Re8 8.Rc7 (551.330.655) 586
22.01 19:25 +1.59 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 Bxf6 4.Be3 Rb5 5.Be4 Rb3 6.Kg2 Rb2 7.Bf3 Re8 8.Rc7 Be5 (655.486.378) 575
Rybka 3
21.12 10:03 +1.11++ 1.Bxh6 (429.237.474) 727
21.01 11:23 +1.31++ 1.Bxh6 (470.321.348) 704
21.01 15:46 +1.56 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 (624.799.098) 676
22.01 20:13 +1.58 1.Bxh6 Be5 2.Qg6 Qf6 3.Qxf6 Bxf6 4.Be3 Rb2 5.Bf3 Re8 6.Kg2 Rd8 7.Ra5 Rb5 8.Rxb5 axb5 9.Bb6 Rf8 10.Rc7 Bd8 11.Rxc8 Bxb6 12.Rc6 Rb8 13.Rxe6 b4 14.Bd5 (779.241.255) 657
Zappa Mexico II
Default settings
14/45 0:25 +0.59 1.Rd1 Bd7 2.Rd4 Bb5 3.Qg6 Be8 4.Qg4 Kh8 5.Be4 Rbc8 6.R4d2 (257.096.340) 10163
14/47 0:59 +0.66 1.Qc2 Bb7 2.Qa2 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Qb7+ 4.Kh2 Qb3 5.Qxb3 Rxb3 6.Rxa6 Kf7 (596.250.194) 10023
14/47 1:23 +0.66 1.Qc2 Bb7 2.Qa2 Bxg2 3.Kxg2 Qb7+ 4.Kh2 Qb3 5.Qxb3 Rxb3 6.Rxa6 Kf7 (830.194.213) 9918
15/47 2:09 +0.69 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rd1 Be7 5.Bf4 Rb4 6.Rxb4 Bxb4 (1.274.362.461) 9831
15/49 3:41 +0.69 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rd1 Be7 5.Bf4 Rb4 6.Rxb4 Bxb4 (2.149.038.017) 9686
16/51 4:54 +0.65 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rac4 Bb7 5.Bxb7 Rxb7 6.Rc6 Rd8 7.Rd1 (2.836.268.100) 9620
16/51 10:57 +0.65 1.Qc2 Kh8 2.Qg6 Qe8 3.Qxe8+ Rxe8 4.Rac4 Bb7 5.Bxb7 Rxb7 6.Rc6 Rd8 7.Rd1 (6.286.843.794) 9562