Does Crafty or Stockfish or Komodo, going to Java?

[George Tsavdaris]

I read in the Hiarcs forum a topic with the tittle:

"Why current programs are migrating to java?"
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Why current programs are migrating to java?
Komodo stockfish crafty ....etc

java c # are slower than c /c++. Why this change? portability?

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And an answer:

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Because Java is a secure language. It is robust and platform independent language. Also it provides many applications which are very nice for developing program. Such as applet, it is widely used in Java. There is no problem about security. So this is the main advantage of Java.

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So did i miss any news?
Does Crafty changes its development and goes to Java?
Does Komodo and Stockfish also?

Last time i checked(and that was for the latest versions ) Crafty and Stockfish were in C (or C++ i can't really distinguish).

So what these guys there are talking about? Their confidence(both of the topic starter and the one that answered) in their statements was disarming. They almost persuade me about that.

But i'm not sure if they are true or if they are saying completely random things.

[michiguel]

I read in the Hiarcs forum a topic with the tittle:

"Why current programs are migrating to java?"
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why current programs are migrating to java?
Komodo stockfish crafty ....etc

java c # are slower than c /c++. Why this change? portability?

-----------------------------------------------------------

And an answer:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Because Java is a secure language. It is robust and platform independent language. Also it provides many applications which are very nice for developing program. Such as applet, it is widely used in Java. There is no problem about security. So this is the main advantage of Java.

-----------------------------------------------------------

So did i miss any news?
Does Crafty changes its development and goes to Java?
Does Komodo and Stockfish also?

Last time i checked(and that was for the latest versions ) Crafty and Stockfish were in C (or C++ i can't really distinguish).

So what these guys there are talking about? Their confidence(both of the topic starter and the one that answered) in their statements was disarming. They almost persuade me about that.

But i'm not sure if they are true or if they are saying completely random things.

Ha, ha, the closest Crafty must have been to Java, was when it participated in the WC in Jakarta.

Miguel

[mcostalba]

But i'm not sure if they are true or if they are saying completely random things.

It's the latter

[Bo Persson]

I read in the Hiarcs forum a topic with the tittle:

"Why current programs are migrating to java?"
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why current programs are migrating to java?
Komodo stockfish crafty ....etc

java c # are slower than c /c++. Why this change? portability?

-----------------------------------------------------------

And an answer:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Because Java is a secure language. It is robust and platform independent language. Also it provides many applications which are very nice for developing program. Such as applet, it is widely used in Java. There is no problem about security. So this is the main advantage of Java.

-----------------------------------------------------------

So did i miss any news?

This is just the usual hype about Java. It is supposed to be easier, faster, and more portable than anything else.

Just wonder why Sun chose to implement all the low level parts of the Java HotSpot VM in C++.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HotSpot

[bhlangonijr]

I read in the Hiarcs forum a topic with the tittle:

"Why current programs are migrating to java?"
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why current programs are migrating to java?
Komodo stockfish crafty ....etc

java c # are slower than c /c++. Why this change? portability?

-----------------------------------------------------------

And an answer:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Because Java is a secure language. It is robust and platform independent language. Also it provides many applications which are very nice for developing program. Such as applet, it is widely used in Java. There is no problem about security. So this is the main advantage of Java.

-----------------------------------------------------------

So did i miss any news?

This is just the usual hype about Java. It is supposed to be easier, faster, and more portable than anything else.

Just wonder why Sun chose to implement all the low level parts of the Java HotSpot VM in C++.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HotSpot

I guess there is some confusion here. Unless it was a joke I am sure no one was saying they were migrating any strong chess engine code base to Java. I guess - i didn' t see such post - they were talking about the GUI or something related.

About the "hype" saying Java is faster than C++: I doubt Sun nor any serious person would claim such nonsense. The JVM itself is written in C++ how could it be faster? In the other hand Java is arguably easier and more portable than C++ - that's for sure: "Write once run everywhere.".

There is an interesting website with many benchmarks of many languages:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/b ... lang2=java

Regards,

[Jaap Weidemann]

"Write once run everywhere.".

With compliments of the Qt framework C++ has: "Write once, compile everywhere."

Jaap
http://www.weidchess.com/

[yoshiharu]

Ha, ha, the closest Crafty must have been to Java, was when it participated in the WC in Jakarta.

ROTFL!



Cheers, Mauro

[bob]

I read in the Hiarcs forum a topic with the tittle:

"Why current programs are migrating to java?"
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why current programs are migrating to java?
Komodo stockfish crafty ....etc

Don't hold your breath for Java Crafty. I'd as soon port to COBOL.

java c # are slower than c /c++. Why this change? portability?

-----------------------------------------------------------

And an answer:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Because Java is a secure language. It is robust and platform independent language. Also it provides many applications which are very nice for developing program. Such as applet, it is widely used in Java. There is no problem about security. So this is the main advantage of Java.

-----------------------------------------------------------

So did i miss any news?
Does Crafty changes its development and goes to Java?
Does Komodo and Stockfish also?

Last time i checked(and that was for the latest versions ) Crafty and Stockfish were in C (or C++ i can't really distinguish).

So what these guys there are talking about? Their confidence(both of the topic starter and the one that answered) in their statements was disarming. They almost persuade me about that.

But i'm not sure if they are true or if they are saying completely random things.

[bob]

I read in the Hiarcs forum a topic with the tittle:

"Why current programs are migrating to java?"
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why current programs are migrating to java?
Komodo stockfish crafty ....etc

java c # are slower than c /c++. Why this change? portability?

-----------------------------------------------------------

And an answer:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Because Java is a secure language. It is robust and platform independent language. Also it provides many applications which are very nice for developing program. Such as applet, it is widely used in Java. There is no problem about security. So this is the main advantage of Java.

-----------------------------------------------------------

So did i miss any news?
Does Crafty changes its development and goes to Java?
Does Komodo and Stockfish also?

Last time i checked(and that was for the latest versions ) Crafty and Stockfish were in C (or C++ i can't really distinguish).

So what these guys there are talking about? Their confidence(both of the topic starter and the one that answered) in their statements was disarming. They almost persuade me about that.

But i'm not sure if they are true or if they are saying completely random things.

Ha, ha, the closest Crafty must have been to Java, was when it participated in the WC in Jakarta.

Miguel

I would assume many people use Crafty and drink "java" at the same time, so it gets pretty close, regularly. But that is as close as Crafty will get to Java unless someone spills a cup directly onto their CPU.

[Don]

I read in the Hiarcs forum a topic with the tittle:

"Why current programs are migrating to java?"
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why current programs are migrating to java?
Komodo stockfish crafty ....etc

java c # are slower than c /c++. Why this change? portability?

-----------------------------------------------------------

And an answer:

-----------------------------------------------------------
Because Java is a secure language. It is robust and platform independent language. Also it provides many applications which are very nice for developing program. Such as applet, it is widely used in Java. There is no problem about security. So this is the main advantage of Java.

-----------------------------------------------------------

So did i miss any news?
Does Crafty changes its development and goes to Java?
Does Komodo and Stockfish also?

Last time i checked(and that was for the latest versions ) Crafty and Stockfish were in C (or C++ i can't really distinguish).

So what these guys there are talking about? Their confidence(both of the topic starter and the one that answered) in their statements was disarming. They almost persuade me about that.

But i'm not sure if they are true or if they are saying completely random things.

Komodo is not moving to java unless the compilers become so good that it can beat C for speed. That would be never ...

Someone may have read that I have built some tools in Java - that doesn't mean the chess program itself.