Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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Here are 2 nice matches to wind up the "Ivanhoe 12" in 64bit test. Their opponent needed to be strong, but not Houdini in that direction, and not Hiarcs or Shredder in the other. Very competitive. I picked Komodo because of its incredible stability for me- as I have mentioned more than once and it had played most all these engines for me in 32bit.

At any rate, here are the last 2 matches, and I thank the good Dr. Deeb for the offer of an Ivanhoe version he said to just trust him on. I did- and the good Dr. did not lead me astray. It is in the 2nd and last match posted here:


Intel i5 w/4TCs
Fritz 11 gui
1CPU/64bit

128MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
Perfect 12.32 book w/12-move limit
40/3 Repeating
Match=50 games




Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4:

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1   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   +49    +14/-7/=29   57.00%   28.5/50
2   Ivanhoe B50kBx64p        -49    +7/-14/=29   43.00%   21.5/50



Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4: v Dr. Deeb's Ivanhoe ver.

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1   Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64     +14    +12/-10/=28   52.00%   26.0/50
2   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   -14    +10/-12/=28   48.00%   24.0/50


Final Standings:



Komodo64 SSE Version 4:


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1 Ivanhoe B46e x64      +92    +21/-8/=21  OR- +35   +12/-7/=31 (run 4/7)
2 Ivanhoe 46h x64       +14    +16/-14/=20
3 Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64  +14    +12/-10/=28
4 Ivanhoe B46a x64      +7     +12/-11/=27
5 Ivanhoe B47cCx64      +7     +14/-13/=23
6 Ivanhoe B46fC x64      0     +11/-11/=28
7 IvanHoe T52E SSE4.2    0     +9/-9/=32  
8 Ivanhoe B47f0.2 x64   -28    +12/-16/=22
9 Ivanhoe B47e x64      -28    +11/-15/=24
10Ivanhoe B47d x64      -49    +9/-16/=25
11Ivanhoe B50kBx64p     -49    +7/-14/=29
12IvanHoe B50hCx64p     -63    +8/-17/=25   
For Ivanhoe B46e, I added to the right a match with Komodo run April 7. I am quite sure it is much more palatable and much less questionable.

This concludes my effort. I hope it was interesting and enjoyable to some.



Best,

george
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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Thanks George....

It was a pleasure to watch your sets of matches and I'm happy that the PP0.1 turned out to be as strong as I advertised it :wink:
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks George....

It was a pleasure to watch your sets of matches and I'm happy that the PP0.1 turned out to be as strong as I advertised it :wink:
Dr.D

Dr., I thank you for your kind words. Hearing you enjoyed it made it worth the time and effort. And I also thank you for PP-0.1. I knew when you sent it and told me to run it- that it was just as good as advertised. If not , you wouldn't have sent it.

What a shame I cannot get Vlado's to work. If you cannot run the exe in the folder in console mode- there is no way it will load correctly. What a shame. I thought about what you said about the GH engine. If you think that much of it- it certainly deserves more than one chance. Running it now. If you run up on another like PP-0.1- please mail it to me.

You have been my friend thru all the good times and the bad times. I will always cherish your friendship.



Heading to get some sleep. Thanks again and take care.

george
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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geots wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:Thanks George....

It was a pleasure to watch your sets of matches and I'm happy that the PP0.1 turned out to be as strong as I advertised it :wink:
Dr.D

Dr., I thank you for your kind words. Hearing you enjoyed it made it worth the time and effort. And I also thank you for PP-0.1. I knew when you sent it and told me to run it- that it was just as good as advertised. If not , you wouldn't have sent it.

What a shame I cannot get Vlado's to work. If you cannot run the exe in the folder in console mode- there is no way it will load correctly. What a shame. I thought about what you said about the GH engine. If you think that much of it- it certainly deserves more than one chance. Running it now. If you run up on another like PP-0.1- please mail it to me.

You have been my friend thru all the good times and the bad times. I will always cherish your friendship.



Heading to get some sleep. Thanks again and take care.

george
You're welcome George....

As for now these are my top guns....

I'll try to figure out the mystery of Vlado's compile failure on your pc and will buzz you if I came up with something....
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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Hi George,

Thanks for running those matches. I'm sorry if I came on too strong in my previous comments. I also ran a match to 1000 games under similar conditions. I am surprised at the result, even though Komodo won it was by a smaller margin than I expected. Here are my results:

Code: Select all

   Hardware:   i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz  (notebook)
         OS:   Linux
         TC:   40 / 3 minutes repeating
       Hash:   64 meg
     Ponder:   OFF
       Book:   private 35,553 line 10 ply 

 Rank Name       Elo      +      -    games   score   oppo.   draws 
   1 Komodo4  3020.4   20.1   20.1    1025   53.3%  3000.0   46.3% 
   2 IvanHoe  3000.0   20.1   20.1    1025   46.7%  3020.4   46.3% 


      TIME       RATIO    log(r)     NODES    log(r)  ave DEPTH    GAMES   PLAYER
 ---------  ----------  --------  --------  --------  ---------  -------   -------
    4.7201       0.992    -0.008     3.074    -0.679    17.1057     1025   Komodo4
    4.7564       1.000     0.000     6.059     0.000    17.9695     1025   IvanHoe
I am going to duplicate this match with the latest development version of Komodo.

Don


geots wrote:Here are 2 nice matches to wind up the "Ivanhoe 12" in 64bit test. Their opponent needed to be strong, but not Houdini in that direction, and not Hiarcs or Shredder in the other. Very competitive. I picked Komodo because of its incredible stability for me- as I have mentioned more than once and it had played most all these engines for me in 32bit.

At any rate, here are the last 2 matches, and I thank the good Dr. Deeb for the offer of an Ivanhoe version he said to just trust him on. I did- and the good Dr. did not lead me astray. It is in the 2nd and last match posted here:


Intel i5 w/4TCs
Fritz 11 gui
1CPU/64bit

128MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
Perfect 12.32 book w/12-move limit
40/3 Repeating
Match=50 games




Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4:

Code: Select all

1   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   +49    +14/-7/=29   57.00%   28.5/50
2   Ivanhoe B50kBx64p        -49    +7/-14/=29   43.00%   21.5/50



Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4: v Dr. Deeb's Ivanhoe ver.

Code: Select all

1   Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64     +14    +12/-10/=28   52.00%   26.0/50
2   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   -14    +10/-12/=28   48.00%   24.0/50


Final Standings:



Komodo64 SSE Version 4:


Code: Select all

1 Ivanhoe B46e x64      +92    +21/-8/=21  OR- +35   +12/-7/=31 (run 4/7)
2 Ivanhoe 46h x64       +14    +16/-14/=20
3 Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64  +14    +12/-10/=28
4 Ivanhoe B46a x64      +7     +12/-11/=27
5 Ivanhoe B47cCx64      +7     +14/-13/=23
6 Ivanhoe B46fC x64      0     +11/-11/=28
7 IvanHoe T52E SSE4.2    0     +9/-9/=32  
8 Ivanhoe B47f0.2 x64   -28    +12/-16/=22
9 Ivanhoe B47e x64      -28    +11/-15/=24
10Ivanhoe B47d x64      -49    +9/-16/=25
11Ivanhoe B50kBx64p     -49    +7/-14/=29
12IvanHoe B50hCx64p     -63    +8/-17/=25   
For Ivanhoe B46e, I added to the right a match with Komodo run April 7. I am quite sure it is much more palatable and much less questionable.

This concludes my effort. I hope it was interesting and enjoyable to some.



Best,

george
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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Hello Don,

Which version of IvanHoe did you use ?

Best wishes,

Gab "a Komodo customer" :D
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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Don wrote:Hi George,

Thanks for running those matches. I'm sorry if I came on too strong in my previous comments. I also ran a match to 1000 games under similar conditions. I am surprised at the result, even though Komodo won it was by a smaller margin than I expected. Here are my results:

Code: Select all

   Hardware:   i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz  (notebook)
         OS:   Linux
         TC:   40 / 3 minutes repeating
       Hash:   64 meg
     Ponder:   OFF
       Book:   private 35,553 line 10 ply 

 Rank Name       Elo      +      -    games   score   oppo.   draws 
   1 Komodo4  3020.4   20.1   20.1    1025   53.3%  3000.0   46.3% 
   2 IvanHoe  3000.0   20.1   20.1    1025   46.7%  3020.4   46.3% 


      TIME       RATIO    log(r)     NODES    log(r)  ave DEPTH    GAMES   PLAYER
 ---------  ----------  --------  --------  --------  ---------  -------   -------
    4.7201       0.992    -0.008     3.074    -0.679    17.1057     1025   Komodo4
    4.7564       1.000     0.000     6.059     0.000    17.9695     1025   IvanHoe
I am going to duplicate this match with the latest development version of Komodo.

Don


geots wrote:Here are 2 nice matches to wind up the "Ivanhoe 12" in 64bit test. Their opponent needed to be strong, but not Houdini in that direction, and not Hiarcs or Shredder in the other. Very competitive. I picked Komodo because of its incredible stability for me- as I have mentioned more than once and it had played most all these engines for me in 32bit.

At any rate, here are the last 2 matches, and I thank the good Dr. Deeb for the offer of an Ivanhoe version he said to just trust him on. I did- and the good Dr. did not lead me astray. It is in the 2nd and last match posted here:


Intel i5 w/4TCs
Fritz 11 gui
1CPU/64bit

128MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
Perfect 12.32 book w/12-move limit
40/3 Repeating
Match=50 games




Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4:

Code: Select all

1   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   +49    +14/-7/=29   57.00%   28.5/50
2   Ivanhoe B50kBx64p        -49    +7/-14/=29   43.00%   21.5/50



Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4: v Dr. Deeb's Ivanhoe ver.

Code: Select all

1   Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64     +14    +12/-10/=28   52.00%   26.0/50
2   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   -14    +10/-12/=28   48.00%   24.0/50


Final Standings:



Komodo64 SSE Version 4:


Code: Select all

1 Ivanhoe B46e x64      +92    +21/-8/=21  OR- +35   +12/-7/=31 (run 4/7)
2 Ivanhoe 46h x64       +14    +16/-14/=20
3 Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64  +14    +12/-10/=28
4 Ivanhoe B46a x64      +7     +12/-11/=27
5 Ivanhoe B47cCx64      +7     +14/-13/=23
6 Ivanhoe B46fC x64      0     +11/-11/=28
7 IvanHoe T52E SSE4.2    0     +9/-9/=32  
8 Ivanhoe B47f0.2 x64   -28    +12/-16/=22
9 Ivanhoe B47e x64      -28    +11/-15/=24
10Ivanhoe B47d x64      -49    +9/-16/=25
11Ivanhoe B50kBx64p     -49    +7/-14/=29
12IvanHoe B50hCx64p     -63    +8/-17/=25   
For Ivanhoe B46e, I added to the right a match with Komodo run April 7. I am quite sure it is much more palatable and much less questionable.

This concludes my effort. I hope it was interesting and enjoyable to some.



Best,

george


Don, don't worry. We were both trying to protect something. It would have never become a problem if I had checked with the author before I "USED" his commercial engine as the base for a litmus test. That was the biggest mistake that started everything.

I was also amazed at the difference in Komodo's competitive game in relation to all others on 64bit. You had told me- but I was still caught off guard by the difference.

One thing you are doing concerns me. You keep showing "Ivanhoe"- but which Ivanhoe? It can make enough of a difference to invalidate all you are doing. Please let me send you the correct version. Then you will be good to go. You need to be using B46e x64. And NOT 9.46e. You might as well be using a weaker engine. If you don't have it- let me send it. That is the strongest ag. Komodo on 64 bit. (And you need these PGNs from both B46e matches)


Best,

george
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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gleperlier wrote:Hello Don,

Which version of IvanHoe did you use ?

Best wishes,

Gab "a Komodo customer" :D
To answer your question as well as George's question, I am using version 999946e of Ivanhoe included in the distribution - it's the 64 bit Linux version since I am testing on Linux.

The Komodo version I am using is actually slightly inferior to the commercial release although it's source code identical. For simplicity I stick with a fixed way of compiling internally and the commercial versions I go to a lot of trouble to get the fastest possible compile. But this is not likely to make too much difference, perhaps 5 ELO or so.
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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geots wrote:
Don wrote:Hi George,

Thanks for running those matches. I'm sorry if I came on too strong in my previous comments. I also ran a match to 1000 games under similar conditions. I am surprised at the result, even though Komodo won it was by a smaller margin than I expected. Here are my results:

Code: Select all

   Hardware:   i7-2630QM CPU @ 2.00GHz  (notebook)
         OS:   Linux
         TC:   40 / 3 minutes repeating
       Hash:   64 meg
     Ponder:   OFF
       Book:   private 35,553 line 10 ply 

 Rank Name       Elo      +      -    games   score   oppo.   draws 
   1 Komodo4  3020.4   20.1   20.1    1025   53.3%  3000.0   46.3% 
   2 IvanHoe  3000.0   20.1   20.1    1025   46.7%  3020.4   46.3% 


      TIME       RATIO    log(r)     NODES    log(r)  ave DEPTH    GAMES   PLAYER
 ---------  ----------  --------  --------  --------  ---------  -------   -------
    4.7201       0.992    -0.008     3.074    -0.679    17.1057     1025   Komodo4
    4.7564       1.000     0.000     6.059     0.000    17.9695     1025   IvanHoe
I am going to duplicate this match with the latest development version of Komodo.

Don


geots wrote:Here are 2 nice matches to wind up the "Ivanhoe 12" in 64bit test. Their opponent needed to be strong, but not Houdini in that direction, and not Hiarcs or Shredder in the other. Very competitive. I picked Komodo because of its incredible stability for me- as I have mentioned more than once and it had played most all these engines for me in 32bit.

At any rate, here are the last 2 matches, and I thank the good Dr. Deeb for the offer of an Ivanhoe version he said to just trust him on. I did- and the good Dr. did not lead me astray. It is in the 2nd and last match posted here:


Intel i5 w/4TCs
Fritz 11 gui
1CPU/64bit

128MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
Perfect 12.32 book w/12-move limit
40/3 Repeating
Match=50 games




Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4:

Code: Select all

1   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   +49    +14/-7/=29   57.00%   28.5/50
2   Ivanhoe B50kBx64p        -49    +7/-14/=29   43.00%   21.5/50



Komodo64 SSE Ver. 4: v Dr. Deeb's Ivanhoe ver.

Code: Select all

1   Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64     +14    +12/-10/=28   52.00%   26.0/50
2   Komodo64 SSE Version 4   -14    +10/-12/=28   48.00%   24.0/50


Final Standings:



Komodo64 SSE Version 4:


Code: Select all

1 Ivanhoe B46e x64      +92    +21/-8/=21  OR- +35   +12/-7/=31 (run 4/7)
2 Ivanhoe 46h x64       +14    +16/-14/=20
3 Ivanhoe-B PP-0.1 x64  +14    +12/-10/=28
4 Ivanhoe B46a x64      +7     +12/-11/=27
5 Ivanhoe B47cCx64      +7     +14/-13/=23
6 Ivanhoe B46fC x64      0     +11/-11/=28
7 IvanHoe T52E SSE4.2    0     +9/-9/=32  
8 Ivanhoe B47f0.2 x64   -28    +12/-16/=22
9 Ivanhoe B47e x64      -28    +11/-15/=24
10Ivanhoe B47d x64      -49    +9/-16/=25
11Ivanhoe B50kBx64p     -49    +7/-14/=29
12IvanHoe B50hCx64p     -63    +8/-17/=25   
For Ivanhoe B46e, I added to the right a match with Komodo run April 7. I am quite sure it is much more palatable and much less questionable.

This concludes my effort. I hope it was interesting and enjoyable to some.



Best,

george


Don, don't worry. We were both trying to protect something. It would have never become a problem if I had checked with the author before I "USED" his commercial engine as the base for a litmus test. That was the biggest mistake that started everything.

I was also amazed at the difference in Komodo's competitive game in relation to all others on 64bit. You had told me- but I was still caught off guard by the difference.

One thing you are doing concerns me. You keep showing "Ivanhoe"- but which Ivanhoe? It can make enough of a difference to invalidate all you are doing. Please let me send you the correct version. Then you will be good to go. You need to be using B46e x64. And NOT 9.46e. You might as well be using a weaker engine. If you don't have it- let me send it. That is the strongest ag. Komodo on 64 bit. (And you need these PGNs from both B46e matches)


Best,

george
I am using 999946e since that is the one you were reporting. And it's the linux 64 bit compile. I can also run windows compiles if you have a version to send me I will check it out.

Don
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Re: Komodo_Ivanhoe- 2 Nice Final Matches!

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And I cannot argue that your choice for 40/3 repeating is probably better, but if you want to mimic mine- switch to 128MB hash. I don't have a good reason for it- except it is just what I use.

That and being sure you have the correct version are critical if you want matching conditions.


Best,

george