A problem CC community has

[rodolfoleoni]

We can read lots of posts about how crap was last ICGA WCCC, lots of ideas, lots of people in favor/against any idea. No real fresh air. Just confusing particles flying around, while the best way to do something would probably be to act from inside ICGA. To become members, to come with a revisitation of rules. To finally get a clear sentence about Ippo/Robbo/Ivan + derivatives. Because the community can solve this problem only if it can look at it straight into its "eyes".

Is the problem the different hardware of each participant? ICGA organized the WCSC just after WCCC. Engines running the same software, and Hiarcs won it. Stockfish and Komodo would have good chances there.

Is the problem rule #2? Why don't introduce a rule about a separate Championship where derivatives are allowed? (The above sentence would be needed, of course)

But what many people seem to not understand is there's already a organization, and it can be improved a lot with positive proposals. E.g., Adam Hair had an excellent idea about satellite locations around the world, to allow more programmers to participate.

Let us give ICGA positive inputs for the future!

[Harvey Williamson]

We can read lots of posts about how crap was last ICGA WCCC, lots of ideas, lots of people in favor/against any idea. No real fresh air. Just confusing particles flying around, while the best way to do something would probably be to act from inside ICGA. To become members, to come with a revisitation of rules. To finally get a clear sentence about Ippo/Robbo/Ivan + derivatives. Because the community can solve this problem only if it can look at it straight into its "eyes".

Is the problem the different hardware of each participant? ICGA organized the WCSC just after WCCC. Engines running the same software, and Hiarcs won it. Stockfish and Komodo would have good chances there.

Is the problem rule #2? Why don't introduce a rule about a separate Championship where derivatives are allowed? (The above sentence would be needed, of course)

But what many people seem to not understand is there's already a organization, and it can be improved a lot with positive proposals. E.g., Adam Hair had an excellent idea about satellite locations around the world, to allow more programmers to participate.

Let us give ICGA positive inputs for the future!

Yes, join the ICGA and join the debate there.

[gerold]

We can read lots of posts about how crap was last ICGA WCCC, lots of ideas, lots of people in favor/against any idea. No real fresh air. Just confusing particles flying around, while the best way to do something would probably be to act from inside ICGA. To become members, to come with a revisitation of rules. To finally get a clear sentence about Ippo/Robbo/Ivan + derivatives. Because the community can solve this problem only if it can look at it straight into its "eyes".

Is the problem the different hardware of each participant? ICGA organized the WCSC just after WCCC. Engines running the same software, and Hiarcs won it. Stockfish and Komodo would have good chances there.

Is the problem rule #2? Why don't introduce a rule about a separate Championship where derivatives are allowed? (The above sentence would be needed, of course)

But what many people seem to not understand is there's already a organization, and it can be improved a lot with positive proposals. E.g., Adam Hair had an excellent idea about satellite locations around the world, to allow more programmers to participate.

Let us give ICGA positive inputs for the future!

Yes, join the ICGA and join the debate there.

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[Rebel]

We can read lots of posts about how crap was last ICGA WCCC, lots of ideas, lots of people in favor/against any idea. No real fresh air. Just confusing particles flying around, while the best way to do something would probably be to act from inside ICGA. To become members, to come with a revisitation of rules. To finally get a clear sentence about Ippo/Robbo/Ivan + derivatives. Because the community can solve this problem only if it can look at it straight into its "eyes".

Is the problem the different hardware of each participant? ICGA organized the WCSC just after WCCC. Engines running the same software, and Hiarcs won it. Stockfish and Komodo would have good chances there.

Is the problem rule #2? Why don't introduce a rule about a separate Championship where derivatives are allowed? (The above sentence would be needed, of course)

But what many people seem to not understand is there's already a organization, and it can be improved a lot with positive proposals. E.g., Adam Hair had an excellent idea about satellite locations around the world, to allow more programmers to participate.

Let us give ICGA positive inputs for the future!

Yes, join the ICGA and join the debate there.

Harvey, allow me a few words,

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

[Terry McCracken]

We can read lots of posts about how crap was last ICGA WCCC, lots of ideas, lots of people in favor/against any idea. No real fresh air. Just confusing particles flying around, while the best way to do something would probably be to act from inside ICGA. To become members, to come with a revisitation of rules. To finally get a clear sentence about Ippo/Robbo/Ivan + derivatives. Because the community can solve this problem only if it can look at it straight into its "eyes".

Is the problem the different hardware of each participant? ICGA organized the WCSC just after WCCC. Engines running the same software, and Hiarcs won it. Stockfish and Komodo would have good chances there.

Is the problem rule #2? Why don't introduce a rule about a separate Championship where derivatives are allowed? (The above sentence would be needed, of course)

But what many people seem to not understand is there's already a organization, and it can be improved a lot with positive proposals. E.g., Adam Hair had an excellent idea about satellite locations around the world, to allow more programmers to participate.

Let us give ICGA positive inputs for the future!

Yes, join the ICGA and join the debate there.

Harvey, allow me a few words,

I know David for 25+ years and I am confident he will go all the way the programmers want him to go. The problem is not David nor the ICGA (=David) but its programmers and the ongoing boycott of Rybka as lastly demonstrated when Peter Skinner was in favor to allow Rybka in his CCT tournament.

Everybody knows Rybka 3 is above suspicion (even Ken Thompson said so) and yet the boycott continues. Until then the problem remains. First something has to change between the ears of some programmers before the CC community can move on. It has been long enough by now.

It is? That's news to me! When did Ken Thompson state Rybka 3 is clean and above suspicion?? How would anyone know without the source code or reverse engineering?

Back up your statements with hard fact or don't say anything!

[Kingghidorah]

I have problems too. I am trying to find a good mixer for my whiskey,heehee.

[velmarin]

I have problems too. I am trying to find a good mixer for my whiskey,heehee.

In Spain in summer we use wine with soda.

Tinto de Verano.

And to sell it in bricks and plastic bottles.
The smoke head, rapid disappearing.

[Kingghidorah]

"velmarin"]

I have problems too. I am trying to find a good mixer for my whiskey,heehee.

In Spain in summer we use wine with soda.

Tinto de Verano.

"Wine is fine but liquor is quicker"

Wine with soda is good but I usually drink beer that is just as strong. It's unusual that I drink the hard stuff.

[mclane]

the problem with the ICCA/ICGA is as old as the organisation.

there have always been strange decisions. and it was always the same bunch of people who did them.

the championships were organised in a strange way.
IMO it was mainly an interface between commercial people to exploit amateur programs and to initiate some deals.
levy was part of those deals. friedel and chessbase.
and maybe some others participated in this "business" while others with kind of ethics did NOT.

now we are living in times where you cannot make much money anymore by doing computerchess. and those people have mainly gone.

so building a new organisation without those people exploiting the programmers and the customers is IMO a good idea.

[mclane]

Let us give ICGA positive inputs for the future!

Yes, join the ICGA and join the debate there.

the icga is a fossile. situation has changed. its better to shut down this silly organisation instead of continue .

icga is and always was an instrument to control computerchess.
a few people exploited computerchess.