CountryChess 02: Russia, premier division

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CountryChess 02: Russia, premier division

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CountryChess 02-14 Russia Premier division,

Listing of Players
 N     Name               Ratin 
  1    Smarthink 1.20 X64 2671  
  2    Bison 9.11 X64     2666  
  3    Greko 9.6 X64  Ja  2504  
  4    Ufim 8.02          2489  
  5    Counter 1.2        2485  
  6    Eeyore 1.52 X64    2474  
  7    Quazar 0.4 X64     2446  
  8    Ifrit M1.8 Beta Ja 2292  
  9    Anechka 0.08       2284  
 10    Zeus 1.29          2284  
 11    Chessalex 2.0      2223  
 12    Uralochka 1.1B        0  
The tournament started today.

Double round-robin, 1800+10 incremental.
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Re: CountryChess 02: Russia, premier division.

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Hello Geert:
countrychess wrote:

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CountryChess 02-14 Russia Premier division,

Listing of Players
 N     Name               Ratin 
  1    Smarthink 1.20 X64 2671  
  2    Bison 9.11 X64     2666  
  3    Greko 9.6 X64  Ja  2504  
  4    Ufim 8.02          2489  
  5    Counter 1.2        2485  
  6    Eeyore 1.52 X64    2474  
  7    Quazar 0.4 X64     2446  
  8    Ifrit M1.8 Beta Ja 2292  
  9    Anechka 0.08       2284  
 10    Zeus 1.29          2284  
 11    Chessalex 2.0      2223  
 12    Uralochka 1.1B        0  
The tournament started today.

Double round-robin, 1800+10 incremental.
A nice job, as always. I think that Quazar 0.4 is clearly underrated (it is over Zappa Mexico II in IPON list) and it will win or finish in the top 3. Let we see. I also suppose that Uralochka is still unrated in your list... anyway, I have just programmed a tiny Fortran 95 programme to calculate win probability in this tournament, given your ratings (I use a formula seen here, in Elo-Rating & Win-Probability section):

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24.71% Smarthink 1.20 X64 (2671)
24.01% Bison 9.11 X64     (2666)
 9.45% Greko 9.6 X64  Ja  (2504)
 8.67% Ufim 8.02          (2489)
 8.47% Counter 1.2        (2485)
 7.95% Eeyore 1.52 X64    (2474)
 6.77% Quazar 0.4 X64     (2446)
 2.79% Ifrit M1.8 Beta Ja (2292)
 2.66% Anechka 0.08       (2284)
 2.66% Zeus 1.29          (2284)
 1.87% Chessalex 2.0      (2223)
 0.00% Uralochka 1.1B        (0)
 
Approximated elapsed time for the calculations: 7613 microseconds.
If you sum all the probabilities, you will get 100.01%... it is due to roundings.

Please keep up the good work!

Regards from Spain.

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Re: CountryChess 02: Russia, premier division.

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Ajedrecista wrote:Hello Geert:
countrychess wrote:

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CountryChess 02-14 Russia Premier division,

Listing of Players
 N     Name               Ratin 
  1    Smarthink 1.20 X64 2671  
  2    Bison 9.11 X64     2666  
  3    Greko 9.6 X64  Ja  2504  
  4    Ufim 8.02          2489  
  5    Counter 1.2        2485  
  6    Eeyore 1.52 X64    2474  
  7    Quazar 0.4 X64     2446  
  8    Ifrit M1.8 Beta Ja 2292  
  9    Anechka 0.08       2284  
 10    Zeus 1.29          2284  
 11    Chessalex 2.0      2223  
 12    Uralochka 1.1B        0  
The tournament started today.

Double round-robin, 1800+10 incremental.
A nice job, as always. I think that Quazar 0.4 is clearly underrated (it is over Zappa Mexico II in IPON list) and it will win or finish in the top 3. Let we see. I also suppose that Uralochka is still unrated in your list... anyway, I have just programmed a tiny Fortran 95 programme to calculate win probability in this tournament, given your ratings (I use a formula seen here, in Elo-Rating & Win-Probability section):

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24.71% Smarthink 1.20 X64 (2671)
24.01% Bison 9.11 X64     (2666)
 9.45% Greko 9.6 X64  Ja  (2504)
 8.67% Ufim 8.02          (2489)
 8.47% Counter 1.2        (2485)
 7.95% Eeyore 1.52 X64    (2474)
 6.77% Quazar 0.4 X64     (2446)
 2.79% Ifrit M1.8 Beta Ja (2292)
 2.66% Anechka 0.08       (2284)
 2.66% Zeus 1.29          (2284)
 1.87% Chessalex 2.0      (2223)
 0.00% Uralochka 1.1B        (0)
 
Approximated elapsed time for the calculations: 7613 microseconds.
If you sum all the probabilities, you will get 100.01%... it is due to roundings.

Please keep up the good work!

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.
Hello Jesús,

Thanks for your kind words and your interest in my tournaments.

The elorating of Quazar is based on the previous version 0.3b. Let's hope it will finish the tournament as first or as second. Engines ranked 1 and 2 both will participate in the 3rd qualifying round of the Champions League. I always like to see new programmers taking over strong but no longer updated engines, as SmarThink and Bison seems to be.
Uralochka didn't play 20 games so far; that's why it is not rated yet.

Nice tool you created! It is based on eloratings now I guess; so it makes the prodictions somewhat predictable. Would it be an idea to import several ranking lists of someone's choice (cegt, ccrl and others), then take an average and finally make a prediction? So then, the program probably will make more relevant predictions and would not only be based on my personal and very incomplete elorating list. Just a little suggestion.

Best regards,

Geert
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Re: CountryChess 02: Russia, premier division.

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Hello again:
countrychess wrote:Hello Jesús,

Thanks for your kind words and your interest in my tournaments.

The elorating of Quazar is based on the previous version 0.3b. Let's hope it will finish the tournament as first or as second. Engines ranked 1 and 2 both will participate in the 3rd qualifying round of the Champions League. I always like to see new programmers taking over strong but no longer updated engines, as SmarThink and Bison seems to be.
Uralochka didn't play 20 games so far; that's why it is not rated yet.

Nice tool you created! It is based on eloratings now I guess; so it makes the prodictions somewhat predictable. Would it be an idea to import several ranking lists of someone's choice (cegt, ccrl and others), then take an average and finally make a prediction? So then, the program probably will make more relevant predictions and would not only be based on my personal and very incomplete elorating list. Just a little suggestion.

Best regards,

Geert
Assigning rating of 0.3b version to 0.4 explains everything (I thought it and I was right!): Dmitry Morozov (the author of Quazar) claimed an improvement of around 300 Elo between 0.3b and 0.4 versions, and he was right.

Do not think that this tool is incredible! It had only 30 lines of code, probably less (I can not say the exact number because I deleted it once I posted my message!).

I am not even a programmer, so I do not know how to import data... I only saved a Notepad with those twelve ratings, then let the programme do its work. So, you will have to search the ratings in those lists (for example in two: CCRL and CEGT) and then write it in a Notepad... I guess that it is a heavy task; the predictions can also be pondered by the number of games of each list (involving the desired engines, if all the engines have established ratings in each list). But again the task is heavy for the user, even more difficult that before. Just an example: for twelve engines and two lists, you must write 24 different numbers in the Notepad; if you also take into account the number of games of each engine, then you double the input numbers (48 in this case), so it is not very practical for the user (however, it is very easy for the programmer, myself in this case). And I have not included the time of searching engine ratings in the lists.

The final decision is up to you: if you want, I can build an executable with your preference (ratings from one list or two, number of games or not number of games...) and upload it, although I want to advice you about the multiple drawbacks. As a side note, I only got output of the percentages, so I had to copy and paste all the engine names and their ratings, line by line. You can expect that a good programmer can solve all these drawbacks, but I am not a good programmer, I am not even a programmer, so my programming skills are very, very limited... bad luck.

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.
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Re: CountryChess 02: Russia, premier division.

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Hi again :-)

Oh well, it's not necessary to put so much work in it and after all, I always can give in the elorankings of the list that I trust the most :-). But I find it a nice tool and was just wondering about importing several elolists and making a better prediction.

Greetings,
Geert
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Standings after first leg

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CountryChess 02-14 Russia
Halle, 2012.09.02 - 2012.09.07
                         Score       SB   Q B S U G C E I C A U Z
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 1: Quazar 0.4 x64     11.0 / 11   55.00  X 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
 2: Bison 9.11          9.0 / 11   38.25  0 X = 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1
 3: SmarThink 1.20      9.0 / 11   38.00  0 = X = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
 4: Ufim 8.02           7.0 / 11   25.00  0 0 = X 0 1 = 1 1 1 1 1
 5: GreKo 9.7 JA        6.5 / 11   22.25  0 0 0 1 X = = = 1 1 1 1
 6: Counter 1.2         6.5 / 11   21.75  0 = 0 0 = X = 1 1 1 1 1
 7: Eeyore 1.52         6.0 / 11   19.00  0 0 0 = = = X = 1 1 1 1
 8: Ifrit 1.8 Beta JA   4.0 / 11   11.25  0 0 0 0 = 0 = X = 1 1 =
 9: ChessAlex 2.0       3.5 / 11    5.50  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = X 1 1 1
10: Anechka 0.08        2.0 / 11    1.50  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 X 1 1
11: Uralochka v 1.1b    1.0 / 11    0.50  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 X 1
12: Zeus 1.29           0.5 / 11    2.00  0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 X
------------------------------------------------------------------
66 games: +26 =11 -29

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Standings after second leg

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CountryChess 02-14 Russia
Halle, 2012.09.02 - 2012.09.11
                         Score       SB   Qu Bi Sm Gr Uf Co Ee If Ch An Ze Ur
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 1: Quazar 0.4 x64     21.0 / 22  208.75  XX 11 1= 11 11 11 11 1= 11 11 11 11
 2: Bison 9.11         17.5 / 22  153.00  00 XX == 11 11 == 11 1= 11 11 11 11
 3: SmarThink 1.20     16.5 / 22  141.50  0= == XX 10 =0 1= 11 11 11 11 11 11
 4: GreKo 9.7 JA       14.0 / 22  118.25  00 00 01 XX 11 =1 =1 =1 10 11 1= 11
 5: Ufim 8.02          13.5 / 22  103.25  00 00 =1 00 XX 11 == 10 11 11 11 11
 6: Counter 1.2        12.5 / 22   94.00  00 == 0= =0 00 XX =1 1= 11 1= 11 11
 7: Eeyore 1.52        10.5 / 22   66.50  00 00 00 =0 == =0 XX == 1= 11 11 11
 8: Ifrit 1.8 Beta JA  10.0 / 22   80.00  0= 0= 00 =0 01 0= == XX =1 10 =1 11
 9: ChessAlex 2.0       6.5 / 22   39.25  00 00 00 01 00 00 0= =0 XX 1= 1= 1=
10: Anechka 0.08        5.0 / 22   27.00  00 00 00 00 00 0= 00 01 0= XX 11 10
11: Zeus 1.29           2.5 / 22   17.75  00 00 00 0= 00 00 00 =0 0= 00 XX 01
12: Uralochka v 1.1b    2.5 / 22   10.75  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 01 10 XX
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
132 games: +54 =26 -52

Quazar is champion of Russia! Zeus and Uralochka demote to the first division.

Next tournament: CC02-13 French, first division.
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Re: Standings after second leg

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countrychess wrote:

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CountryChess 02-14 Russia
Halle, 2012.09.02 - 2012.09.11
                         Score       SB   Qu Bi Sm Gr Uf Co Ee If Ch An Ze Ur
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 1: Quazar 0.4 x64     21.0 / 22  208.75  XX 11 1= 11 11 11 11 1= 11 11 11 11
 2: Bison 9.11         17.5 / 22  153.00  00 XX == 11 11 == 11 1= 11 11 11 11
 3: SmarThink 1.20     16.5 / 22  141.50  0= == XX 10 =0 1= 11 11 11 11 11 11
 4: GreKo 9.7 JA       14.0 / 22  118.25  00 00 01 XX 11 =1 =1 =1 10 11 1= 11
 5: Ufim 8.02          13.5 / 22  103.25  00 00 =1 00 XX 11 == 10 11 11 11 11
 6: Counter 1.2        12.5 / 22   94.00  00 == 0= =0 00 XX =1 1= 11 1= 11 11
 7: Eeyore 1.52        10.5 / 22   66.50  00 00 00 =0 == =0 XX == 1= 11 11 11
 8: Ifrit 1.8 Beta JA  10.0 / 22   80.00  0= 0= 00 =0 01 0= == XX =1 10 =1 11
 9: ChessAlex 2.0       6.5 / 22   39.25  00 00 00 01 00 00 0= =0 XX 1= 1= 1=
10: Anechka 0.08        5.0 / 22   27.00  00 00 00 00 00 0= 00 01 0= XX 11 10
11: Zeus 1.29           2.5 / 22   17.75  00 00 00 0= 00 00 00 =0 0= 00 XX 01
12: Uralochka v 1.1b    2.5 / 22   10.75  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0= 01 10 XX
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
132 games: +54 =26 -52

Quazar is champion of Russia! Zeus and Uralochka demote to the first division.

Next tournament: CC02-13 French, first division.



Very nice work, Geert. Quazar is a tough nut to crack.


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Re: CountryChess 02: Russia, premier division.

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Thanks Jesus, for taking care of that reply in "General" for me. I was too tired to switch sides, and I appreciate you handling it. What is odd to me is that it affected the RR, but it didn't have a problem in an engine-engine match. Must have something to do with needing more info in RRs. Anyway- thank you.


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