Komodo TCEC 64-bit Gauntlet for CCRL 40/40

[Graham Banks]

Opponents

Houdini 4 64-bit
Stockfish DD 64-bit
Strelka 5.5 64-bit
Critter 1.6a 64-bit
Rybka 4.1 64-bit
Bouquet 1.8 64-bit
Gull 2.3 64-bit
Black Mamba 1.4 64-bit
Hannibal 1.4b 64-bit
Chiron 1.1a 64-bit
Protector 1.5.0 64-bit
Chiron 1.5 64-bit
Vitruvius 1.11C 64-bit
RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16073

[ouachita]

the initial results are striking

[beram]

the initial results are striking

They are Bobby, but by other means

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RANK	ENGINE	GAMES	POINTS	1
-----	-----------------------------------	---------------	-----------	----
1.	KOMODO TCEC 64-BIT	38	21	****
2.	STOCKFISH DD 64-BIT	4	2.0	==01
3.	HOUDINI 4 64-BIT	4	2.0	0==1
4.	CRITTER 1.6A 64-BIT	4	2.0	0==1
5.	STRELKA 5.5 64-BIT	4	1.5	0=10
6.	CHIRON 2 64-BIT	4	1.5	0===
7.	BOUQUET 1.8 64-BIT	2	1.5	1=..
8.	DEEPSAROS 4.1.3C 64-BIT	2	1.5	=1..
9.	RYBKA 4.1 64-BIT	2	1.0	==..
10.	BLACKMAMBA 1.4 64-BIT	2	1.0	==..
11.	VITRUVIUS 1.11C 64-BIT	2	1.0	==..
12.	FIRE 3.0 64-BIT	2	0.5	=0..
13.	GULL 2.3 64-BIT	2	0.5	=0..
14.	HANNIBAL 1.4B 64-BIT	2	0.5	0=..
15.	PROTECTOR 1.5.0 64-BIT	2	0.5	0=..
				
Total	games = 38	55,26%		

[beram]

the initial results are striking

They are Bobby, but by other means

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RANK	ENGINE	GAMES	POINTS	1
-----	-----------------------------------	---------------	-----------	----
1.	KOMODO TCEC 64-BIT	38	21	****
2.	STOCKFISH DD 64-BIT	4	2.0	==01
3.	HOUDINI 4 64-BIT	4	2.0	0==1
4.	CRITTER 1.6A 64-BIT	4	2.0	0==1
5.	STRELKA 5.5 64-BIT	4	1.5	0=10
6.	CHIRON 2 64-BIT	4	1.5	0===
7.	BOUQUET 1.8 64-BIT	2	1.5	1=..
8.	DEEPSAROS 4.1.3C 64-BIT	2	1.5	=1..
9.	RYBKA 4.1 64-BIT	2	1.0	==..
10.	BLACKMAMBA 1.4 64-BIT	2	1.0	==..
11.	VITRUVIUS 1.11C 64-BIT	2	1.0	==..
12.	FIRE 3.0 64-BIT	2	0.5	=0..
13.	GULL 2.3 64-BIT	2	0.5	=0..
14.	HANNIBAL 1.4B 64-BIT	2	0.5	0=..
15.	PROTECTOR 1.5.0 64-BIT	2	0.5	0=..
				
Total	games = 38	55,26%		

And one day later after 54 games for Komodo 6TCEC
and 186 for Houdini 4 against same opponents(except that H4 played Komodo6)
We see that Komodo6TCEC scores 55,26% and Houdini 4 68,28%
Great difference in result at 40/40 between these top engines, Komodo 6TCEC has trouble to score well against various competition
I think it can and will change a bit in favor for Komodo6TCEC. But I dont think it will be that much.

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RANK	ENGINE	GAMES	POINTS	1
-----	-----------------------------------	---------------	-----------	----
1.	KOMODO TCEC 64-BIT	54	30	****
2.	BOUQUET 1.8 64-BIT	4	2.5	1===
3.	DEEPSAROS 4.1.3C 64-BIT	4	2.5	101=
4.	STOCKFISH DD 64-BIT	4	2.0	==01
5.	HOUDINI 4 64-BIT	4	2.0	0==1
6.	CRITTER 1.6A 64-BIT	4	2.0	0==1
7.	RYBKA 4.1 64-BIT	4	2.0	====
8.	STRELKA 5.5 64-BIT	4	1.5	0=10
9.	CHIRON 2 64-BIT	4	1.5	0===
10.	FIRE 3.0 64-BIT	4	1.5	=0==
11.	BLACKMAMBA 1.4 64-BIT	4	1.5	==0=
12.	HANNIBAL 1.4B 64-BIT	4	1.5	0===
13.	PROTECTOR 1.5.0 64-BIT	4	1.5	0===
14.	GULL 2.3 64-BIT	4	1.0	=00=
15.	VITRUVIUS 1.11C 64-BIT	2	1.0	==..
				
Total	games = 54	55,56%		
				
RANK	ENGINE	GAMES	POINTS	1
-----	-----------------------------------	---------------	-----------	--------------
1.	HOUDINI 4 64-BIT	186	127	**************
2.	STOCKFISH DD 64-BIT	14	7.0	=101==0==101=0
3.	STRELKA 5.5 64-BIT	14	5.5	0=0===1===0=0=
4.	CRITTER 1.6A 64-BIT	14	5.5	==0=0=0=101=0=
5.	VITRUVIUS 1.11C 64-BIT	12	5.0	==0====001==..
6.	KOMODO 6 64-BIT	14	4.5	10=10=000=0=0=
7.	BOUQUET 1.8 64-BIT	14	4.5	=0=0==0==00===
8.	RYBKA 4.1 64-BIT	14	4.0	0==0=001===000
9.	BLACKMAMBA 1.4 64-BIT	14	4.0	==00==00===00=
10.	FIRE 3.0 64-BIT	12	4.0	00==0=====0=..
11.	CHIRON 2 64-BIT	12	3.5	0==00==0001=..
12.	PROTECTOR 1.5.0 64-BIT	14	3.5	0===00==0000==
13.	GULL 2.3 64-BIT	14	3.0	000==0000===0=
14.	DEEPSAROS 4.1.3C 64-BIT	10	2.5	==0=000==0....
15.	HANNIBAL 1.4B 64-BIT	14	2.0	0=0000000=0==0
				
Total	games = 186	68,28%	

[Albert Silver]

And one day later after 54 games for Komodo 6TCEC
and 186 for Houdini 4 against same opponents(except that H4 played Komodo6)
We see that Komodo6TCEC scores 55,26% and Houdini 4 68,28%
Great difference in result at 40/40 between these top engines, Komodo 6TCEC has trouble to score well against various competition
I think it can and will change a bit in favor for Komodo6TCEC. But I dont think it will be that much.

54 games has no value whatsoever to estimate Elo.

[beram]

We will see how it changes

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RANK	ENGINE	GAMES	POINTS
-----	-----------------------------------	---------------	-----------
1.	HOUDINI 4 64-BIT	200	136,5
2.	STOCKFISH DD 64-BIT	16	8.0
3.	KOMODO 6 64-BIT	16	5.5
4.	STRELKA 5.5 64-BIT	14	5.5
5.	CRITTER 1.6A 64-BIT	14	5.5
6.	VITRUVIUS 1.11C 64-BIT	14	5.5
7.	BOUQUET 1.8 64-BIT	14	4.5
8.	FIRE 3.0 64-BIT	14	4.5
9.	RYBKA 4.1 64-BIT	14	4.0
10.	BLACKMAMBA 1.4 64-BIT	14	4.0
11.	CHIRON 2 64-BIT	14	4.0
12.	DEEPSAROS 4.1.3C 64-BIT	14	4.0
13.	PROTECTOR 1.5.0 64-BIT	14	3.5
14.	GULL 2.3 64-BIT	14	3.0
15.	HANNIBAL 1.4B 64-BIT	14	2.0
			
Total	games = 200	68,25%	
			
RANK	ENGINE	GAMES	POINTS
-----	-----------------------------------	---------------	-----------
1.	KOMODO TCEC 64-BIT	67	38,5
2.	STOCKFISH DD 64-BIT	6	3.5
3.	CRITTER 1.6A 64-BIT	6	3.0
4.	HOUDINI 4 64-BIT	6	2.5
5.	RYBKA 4.1 64-BIT	5	2.5
6.	BOUQUET 1.8 64-BIT	4	2.5
7.	DEEPSAROS 4.1.3C 64-BIT	4	2.5
8.	CHIRON 2 64-BIT	6	2.0
9.	STRELKA 5.5 64-BIT	6	1.5
10.	FIRE 3.0 64-BIT	4	1.5
11.	BLACKMAMBA 1.4 64-BIT	4	1.5
12.	HANNIBAL 1.4B 64-BIT	4	1.5
13.	PROTECTOR 1.5.0 64-BIT	4	1.5
14.	VITRUVIUS 1.11C 64-BIT	4	1.5
15.	GULL 2.3 64-BIT	4	1.0
			
Total	games = 67	57,46%	

[Milos]

54 games has no value whatsoever to estimate Elo.

Well Komodo became "grand" champion thanks to even less - 48 games, and ppl (Larry K. included, even though you have to give him credit that he's probably doing it for product marketing purposes) already proclaimed it undisputed king of LTC.

[ouachita]

king of LTC.

40/40 is more akin to Rapid Time Control (RTC). True LTC should begin at 90+ or even 40/120. Correspondence LTC is closer to ~1/700 to 1/1400!?

[velmarin]

king of LTC.

40/40 is more akin to Rapid Time Control (RTC). True LTC should begin at 90+ or even 40/120. Correspondence LTC is closer to ~1/700 to 1/1400!?

Think if it as a wonderful list CCRL with those "play times", would start in January and end in December, then we would have K10 and ST 12, for example,
is the best we have. by far.

Thanks a CCRL Team.

[beram]

It is a great effort and a great list, the CCRL list(s), no doubt about that.
People who are still asking or hammering about even longer LTC, should realise that what we call now blitzTC is LongTC in 10 years
The level of play of the games now played at 40/40 TC is incredibly high, with average plydepths in middlegame that for 10 years ago really no one could imagine.
What I want to make clear is that it really makes no sense to compare engine games TC's with human games TC's. It is far fetched and illogical.