SCCT Rating List - Gull 3 x64 6c

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello there,

Here are SCCT's first results played by Gull 3 x64 6c!

It is too early to announce, but I hardly doubt the new Gull 3 version will be ranked at Top 3 Places in SCCT!

Let's see after 1000 games what will be the standings...

Note also that I have seen two games forfeits on time by Gull 3 x64 6c (the previous Gull 2.8b version seems to be more stable)

But anyway, I am quite happy that we have Gull, free and plus much stronger than many commercial engines!

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   # PLAYER                     : RATING    POINTS  PLAYED    (%)
   1 Stockfish 260214 x64 6c    : 3527.0     848.0    1016   83.5%
   2 Houdini 4 x64 6c           : 3510.4     835.0    1017   82.1%
   3 Komodo TCECr x64 6c        : 3472.1     803.0    1017   79.0%
   4 Gull 3 x64 6c              : 3432.3     251.0     332   75.6%
   5 Gull 2.8b x64 6c           : 3429.0     753.5    1000   75.3%
   6 Rybka 4.1 x64 6c           : 3377.7     708.5    1016   69.7%
   7 Chiron 2 x64 6c            : 3266.6     578.5    1017   56.9%
   8 Hannibal 1.4b x64 6c       : 3253.4     562.5    1018   55.3%
   9 Protector 1.6.0 x64 6c     : 3236.0     540.5    1017   53.1%
  10 Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32 6c      : 3210.7     508.5    1018   50.0%
  11 Senpai 1.0 x64 6c          : 3191.3     483.5    1016   47.6%
  12 Spike 1.4 x64 6c           : 3178.3     467.0    1016   46.0%
  13 Texel 1.03 x64 6c          : 3153.5     435.5    1016   42.9%
  14 Shredder 12 x64 6c         : 3147.6     428.0    1016   42.1%
  15 Junior 13.3 x64 6c         : 3146.7     427.0    1016   42.0%
  16 Spark 1.0 x64 6c           : 3126.2     401.0    1016   39.5%
  17 Zappa Mexico II x64 6c     : 3120.9     394.5    1016   38.8%
  18 Gaviota 1.0 x64 6c         : 3079.4     344.0    1018   33.8%
  19 Sjeng WC2008 x64 6c        : 3018.2     274.0    1016   27.0%
  20 Crafty 23.8 x64 6c         : 3014.2     270.0    1017   26.5%
  21 Tornado 4.88 x64 6c        : 3009.1     264.0    1016   26.0%
  22 Fritz 10.1 w32 6c          : 3000.0     254.5    1017   25.0%

[Sedat Canbaz]

Gull 3's test has been completed (-5 Elo than Gull 2.8b):
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1180

[Nay Lin Tun]

Hi Sedat,

You might need to re- run the test. All people around the world proved around 40! elo which is quite significant even in a small test sample and your result seemed a joke or extremely unexpected outcome.
Cheers,
Nay Tun

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hi Sedat,

You might need to re- run the test. All people around the world proved around 40! elo which is quite significant even in a small test sample and your result seemed a joke or extremely unexpected outcome.
Cheers,
Nay Tun

Hello Nay Lin Tun,

Thanks for your interest...

I have tested Gull 3 under SCCT conditions...really not sure why we see different results, that means SCCT is different than all ))

To be honest,
In the Gull3's folder is included only Gull3x64.exe (17.04.2014 334 KB (342.016 bytes))
I mean, I deleted the rest files, maybe is needed Gull.cpp ?!
Plus, I am using different openings than all (Perfect 2014t book is private)
Maybe Gull 3 does not perform at full strenght under Fritz 12 GUI and this issue can be another reason...

And for right now I don't see any reason to repeat the Gull 3 test...
Till the date, where I will be sure that there is really something wrong in my test conditions!

Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

All people around the world proved around 40!

One thing more,
Not all around world proved 40 Elo !

And where did you see that Gull 3 is 40 Elo stronger than Gull 2.8b ?

Plus exception SCCT, there is also another rating lists, (for example the Gull 3 test by Marijan) are confirming that Gull 3 has an unstable performance!


Marijan's rating list:

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Program                          Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws

Stockfish140418RDMFx64         : 3187   15  14   749    55.9 %   3145   65.7 %
Houdini4Prox64                 : 3159    9   9  3390    55.6 %   3119   44.6 %
Houdini4ProC0x64               : 3147    9   9  2402    50.2 %   3145   59.0 %
Houdini3x64                    : 3123    9   9  3202    53.4 %   3099   45.3 %
KomodoTCECrx64                 : 3094   10  10  2207    43.9 %   3136   49.8 %
Gull3x64                       : 3077   16  16   962    52.6 %   3059   47.8 %
Gull28betax64                  : 3075   13  13  1433    40.8 %   3140   50.9 %

[Graham Banks]

To be honest,
In the Gull3's folder is included only Gull3x64.exe (17.04.2014 334 KB (342.016 bytes))
I mean, I deleted the rest files, maybe is needed Gull.cpp ?!

Best,
Sedat

The Gull.cpp file contains the default parameters for the engine, but this would be a question that you'd be best asking Vadim about, through the OpenChess forum.

Cheers,
Graham.

[Sedat Canbaz]

To be honest,
In the Gull3's folder is included only Gull3x64.exe (17.04.2014 334 KB (342.016 bytes))
I mean, I deleted the rest files, maybe is needed Gull.cpp ?!

Best,
Sedat

The Gull.cpp file contains the default parameters for the engine, but this would be a question that you'd be best asking Vadim about, through the OpenChess forum.

Cheers,
Graham.

Hello Graham,

I don't think so...because in XP compatible builds's folder there is no any Gull.cpp

But of course to be 100% sure, I think to ask Vadim

Best,
Sedat

[Sedat Canbaz]

To be honest,
In the Gull3's folder is included only Gull3x64.exe (17.04.2014 334 KB (342.016 bytes))
I mean, I deleted the rest files, maybe is needed Gull.cpp ?!

Best,
Sedat

The Gull.cpp file contains the default parameters for the engine, but this would be a question that you'd be best asking Vadim about, through the OpenChess forum.

Cheers,
Graham.

Hello again Graham,

I have just got an email by Vadim and here is his replay:

There could be two reasons for bad Gull SCCT performance
-bad luck
-some SMP implementation flaw in Gull 3
I think the first is more likely.

So Gull.cpp is not the reason (as I expected)

[Graham Banks]

To be honest,
In the Gull3's folder is included only Gull3x64.exe (17.04.2014 334 KB (342.016 bytes))
I mean, I deleted the rest files, maybe is needed Gull.cpp ?!

Best,
Sedat

The Gull.cpp file contains the default parameters for the engine, but this would be a question that you'd be best asking Vadim about, through the OpenChess forum.

Cheers,
Graham.

Hello again Graham,

I have just got an email by Vadim and here is his replay:

There could be two reasons for bad Gull SCCT performance
-bad luck
-some SMP implementation flaw in Gull 3
I think the first is more likely.

So Gull.cpp is not the reason (as I expected)

That's good to know.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

To be honest,
In the Gull3's folder is included only Gull3x64.exe (17.04.2014 334 KB (342.016 bytes))
I mean, I deleted the rest files, maybe is needed Gull.cpp ?!

Best,
Sedat

The Gull.cpp file contains the default parameters for the engine, but this would be a question that you'd be best asking Vadim about, through the OpenChess forum.

Cheers,
Graham.

I think that it's the source code of the chess engine,right