FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 is still running ...

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FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 is still running ...

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi there,

now Arasan 17.5 POP x64 is still running in FCT1.
1.000 games are to play.

Live results can be found under:
http://www.amateurschach.de/ftptrigger/ ... p-x64.html

Have fun and good luck to Jon Dart.

Best
Frank
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Re: FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 ... after 300 = +37

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Nice round Robin ...
No problems with Arasan ... all works fine!
2 games won up to move 50, no game lost.
Nice games ... clearly improved after the first 300 games!

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 Calculated with EloStat 1.3
 Stats after   100,   200 ... games!   Elo   Games  Score  Draws   White Black Points  w/ d/ l
 18. Arasan 17.4 POP x64               2685  1.000  38.4%  41.3%   Predecessor
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----  1.000  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    900  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    800  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    700  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    600  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    500  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    400  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2722    300  43.2%  45.0%   23,5  23,0  46,5   25/43/32
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2711    200  41.5%  46.0%   25,0  15,0  40,0   15/50/35
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    100  43.0%  42.0%   22,0  21,0  43,0   22/42/36
  

                                       Points  Score  EloS  Ordo  +   -  Draws
 01. Naum 4.6 x64                  650.0/0965  67.4%  2889  2892  17 17  39.8%
 02. Chiron 2.0 x64                640.0/0965  66.3%  2881  2884  17 17  41.0%
 03. Hannibal 1.4b x64             616.0/0965  63.8%  2863  2865  17 17  42.9%
 04. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64          580.0/0965  60.1%  2837  2837  16 16  44.1%
 05. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64         579.5/0965  60.1%  2836  2837  16 16  46.5%
 06. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32            563.5/0965  58.4%  2825  2825  17 17  41.3%
 07. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64         548.5/0965  56.8%  2814  2814  16 16  45.7%
 08. Junior 13.3.00 x64            509.0/0965  52.7%  2787  2785  17 17  41.5%
 09. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64 480.5/0965  49.8%  2768  2764  16 16  44.2%
 10. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64         468.5/0965  48.5%  2759  2755  16 16  45.7%
 11. Cheng4 0.38 x64               461.5/0965  47.8%  2754  2750  16 16  44.5%
 12. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64               460.0/0965  47.7%  2753  2749  16 16  44.8%
 13. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64       447.0/0965  46.3%  2745  2740  17 17  41.5%
 14. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64         432.0/0965  44.8%  2734  2729  17 17  41.9%
 15. Atlas 3.80 x64                426.0/0965  44.1%  2730  2724  16 16  45.2%
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64           129.5/0300  43.2%  2722  2716  29 29  45.0%
 17. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64           411.5/0965  42.6%  2720  2714  17 17  40.5%
 18. DisasterArea 1.54 x64         365.5/0965  37.9%  2687  2679  17 17  41.3%
 19. EXchess 7.51b x64             362.0/0965  37.5%  2685  2677  17 17  41.5%
 20. Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64    352.0/0965  36.5%  2677  2669  17 17  38.5%
 21. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64         317.5/0965  32.9%  2651  2642  18 18  36.8%
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Re: FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 ... after 500 = +43

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 Calculated with EloStat 1.3
 Stats after   100,   200 ... games!   Elo   Games  Score  Draws   White Black Points  w/ d/ l
 18. Arasan 17.4 POP x64               2685  1.000  38.4%  41.3%   Predecessor
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----  1.000  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    900  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    800  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    700  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    600  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2728    500  44.0%  43.2%   23,0  23,0  46,0   26/40/34
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2724    400  43.5%  44.0%   26,0  18,0  44,0   23/42/35
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2722    300  43.2%  45.0%   23,5  23,0  46,5   25/43/32
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2711    200  41.5%  46.0%   25,0  15,0  40,0   15/50/35
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    100  43.0%  42.0%   22,0  21,0  43,0   22/42/36
  

                                       Points  Score  EloS  Ordo  +   -  Draws
 01. Naum 4.6 x64                  658.0/0975  67.5%  2890  2893  17 17  39.6%
 02. Chiron 2.0 x64                647.5/0975  66.4%  2881  2884  17 17  41.1%
 03. Hannibal 1.4b x64             623.0/0975  63.9%  2863  2865  17 17  42.9%
 04. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64          587.0/0975  60.2%  2837  2838  16 16  44.1%
 05. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64         585.0/0975  60.0%  2836  2836  16 16  46.4%
 06. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32            569.5/0975  58.4%  2825  2825  17 17  41.1%
 07. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64         555.5/0975  57.0%  2815  2815  16 16  45.6%
 08. Junior 13.3.00 x64            514.0/0975  52.7%  2787  2785  17 17  41.6%
 09. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64 487.0/0975  49.9%  2769  2765  16 16  43.9%
 10. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64         474.0/0975  48.6%  2760  2756  16 16  45.5%
 11. Cheng4 0.38 x64               467.0/0975  47.9%  2755  2751  16 16  44.3%
 12. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64               464.5/0975  47.6%  2753  2749  16 16  44.6%
 13. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64       449.5/0975  46.1%  2743  2738  17 17  41.5%
 14. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64         436.5/0975  44.8%  2734  2729  17 17  41.7%
 15. Atlas 3.80 x64                432.0/0975  44.3%  2731  2725  16 16  45.3%
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64           220.0/0500  44.0%  2728  2722  23 23  43.2%
 17. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64           416.5/0975  42.7%  2720  2714  17 17  40.7%
 18. DisasterArea 1.54 x64         369.5/0975  37.9%  2687  2679  17 17  41.3%
 19. EXchess 7.51b x64             366.0/0975  37.5%  2685  2677  17 17  41.4%
 20. Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64    355.5/0975  36.5%  2677  2669  17 17  38.7%
 21. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64         322.5/0975  33.1%  2652  2643  18 18  37.2%
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Re: FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 ... after 700 = +36

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

I corrected the older stats up to game number 500.
Found different bad lines and double lines and I don't see before.

Short stat to fast games:
Won 7, lost 2 only!
And that is my Impression too ...
I think engine is clearly stronger after the opening book lines compare to version 17.4. I hope it's later to see in my middlegame / Transposition into endgame and endgame stats.

Best
Frank

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 Calculated with EloStat 1.3
 Stats after   100,   200 ... games!   Elo   Games  Score  Draws   White Black Points  w/ d/ l
 18. Arasan 17.4 POP x64               2685  1.000  38.4%  41.3%   Predecessor
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----  1.000  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    900  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 --. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               ----    800  --.-%  --.-%   --,-  --,-  --,-   --/--/--
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    700  43.1%  43.9%   20,5  18,0  38,5   14/49/37
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2727    600  43.8%  43.0%   24,0  22,0  46,0   25/42/33
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2724    500  43.4%  43.2%   22,5  23,0  45,5   25/41/34
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2720    400  42.9%  43.8%   24,5  18,0  42,5   22/41/37
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    300  43.0%  44.7%   23,5  23,0  46,5   25/43/32
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2709    200  41.2%  45.5%   25,0  14,5  39,5   15/49/36
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    100  43.0%  42.0%   22,0  21,0  43,0   22/42/36
  

                                       Points  Score  EloS  Ordo  +   -  Draws
 01. Naum 4.6 x64                  665.0/0985  67.5%  2889  2892  17 17  39.6%
 02. Chiron 2.0 x64                654.5/0985  66.4%  2881  2883  17 17  40.9%
 03. Hannibal 1.4b x64             629.5/0985  63.9%  2862  2864  17 17  42.7%
 04. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64          594.0/0985  60.3%  2837  2837  16 16  44.3%
 05. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64         591.5/0985  60.1%  2835  2835  16 16  46.6%
 06. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32            577.5/0985  58.6%  2825  2825  17 17  40.9%
 07. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64         562.5/0985  57.1%  2815  2814  16 16  45.6%
 08. Junior 13.3.00 x64            521.5/0985  52.9%  2787  2785  17 17  41.7%
 09. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64 492.0/0985  49.9%  2768  2764  16 16  44.1%
 10. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64         481.5/0985  48.9%  2760  2756  16 16  45.6%
 11. Cheng4 0.38 x64               473.0/0985  48.0%  2755  2750  16 16  44.3%
 12. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64               468.5/0985  47.6%  2752  2747  16 16  44.6%
 13. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64       457.0/0985  46.4%  2744  2739  17 17  41.4%
 14. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64         441.5/0985  44.8%  2733  2728  17 17  41.9%
 15. Atlas 3.80 x64                437.5/0985  44.4%  2731  2725  16 16  45.4%
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64           301.5/0700  43.1%  2721  2714  19 19  43.9%
 17. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64           421.0/0985  42.7%  2720  2713  17 17  40.8%
 18. DisasterArea 1.54 x64         374.0/0985  38.0%  2687  2678  17 17  41.6%
 19. EXchess 7.51b x64             370.0/0985  37.6%  2684  2675  17 17  41.6%
 20. Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64    358.0/0985  36.3%  2675  2666  17 17  38.6%
 21. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64         328.5/0985  33.4%  2653  2643  18 18  37.3%
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Re: FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 ... final = +34

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

+34 in my FCT1
+29 in my FCP Rating List after all games!

Programmer gave the information +30
THAT IS WRONG ... joking!

Arasan is again clearly improved. Endgame is very strong (for the predecessor too), improved in the middlegame and in king safty. I hope this can be see in my stats to middlegame, transposition into endgame and endgame. My impressions after the games I saw.

The stats will be available Friday!

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 Version: 2.05
 Engine : Arasan 17.5 POP x64
 Result : + 34 Elo
 Time   : March 07th - March 11th, 2015
 
 Stats after   100,   200 ... games!   Elo   Games  Score  Draws   White Black Points  w/ d/ l
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2719  1.000  42.8%  43.6%   22,5  18,0  40,5   19/43/38
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    900  43.1%  43.7%   27,5  16,5  44,0   22/44/34
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2720    800  42.9%  43.6%   22,0  20,0  42,0   21/42/37
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    700  43.1%  43.9%   20,5  18,0  38,5   14/49/37
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2727    600  43.8%  43.0%   24,0  22,0  46,0   25/42/33
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2724    500  43.4%  43.2%   22,5  23,0  45,5   25/41/34
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2720    400  42.9%  43.8%   24,5  18,0  42,5   22/41/37
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    300  43.0%  44.7%   23,5  23,0  46,5   25/43/32
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2709    200  41.2%  45.5%   25,0  14,5  39,5   15/49/36
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64               2721    100  43.0%  42.0%   22,0  21,0  43,0   22/42/36

     Programs                      Score       1-0  =  0-1         EloS  Baye  Ordo  +   -  Draws    MoveØ won<50 lost<50
 01. Naum 4.6 x64                  676.0/1000  478 396 126  67.6%  2888  2881  2891  17 17  39.6%   89     10       2
 02. Chiron 2.0 x64                667.0/1000  463 408 129  66.7%  2882  2874  2884  17 17  40.8%   88     13       0
 03. Hannibal 1.4b x64             639.5/1000  425 429 146  63.9%  2862  2856  2863  16 16  42.9%   91      6       3
 04. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64          605.5/1000  386 439 175  60.6%  2838  2834  2838  16 16  43.9%   91     10       1
 05. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64         600.5/1000  367 467 166  60.1%  2834  2830  2834  16 16  46.7%   86      4      12
 06. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32            587.5/1000  382 411 207  58.8%  2825  2825  2825  17 17  41.1%   89     18       7
 07. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64         570.5/1000  342 457 201  57.0%  2814  2813  2813  16 16  45.7%   90      6       4
 08. Junior 13.3.00 x64            532.5/1000  326 413 261  53.2%  2788  2791  2786  17 17  41.3%   87     18       6
 09. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64 500.0/1000  279 442 279  50.0%  2767  2770  2763  16 16  44.2%   85      6      15
 10. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64         490.0/1000  261 458 281  49.0%  2760  2763  2756  16 16  45.8%   90     11       1
 11. Cheng4 0.38 x64               480.5/1000  259 443 298  48.0%  2754  2759  2749  16 16  44.3%   88     12       1
 12. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64               474.0/1000  252 444 304  47.4%  2750  2755  2745  16 16  44.4%   82      6       5
 13. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64       467.0/1000  260 414 326  46.7%  2745  2750  2740  17 17  41.4%   92      3      11
 14. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64         448.5/1000  239 419 342  44.9%  2733  2739  2727  16 16  41.9%   88      1      12
 15. Atlas 3.80 x64                445.5/1000  218 455 327  44.5%  2731  2737  2725  16 16  45.5%   90      1       3
 16. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64           430.0/1000  226 408 366  43.0%  2720  2727  2714  17 17  40.8%   88      3      19
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64           428.0/1000  210 436 354  42.8%  2719  2726  2712  16 16  43.6%   89      8       2
 18. Arasan 17.4 POP x64           383.5/1000  177 413 410  38.4%  2685  2696  2677  17 17  41.3%   91      4       8
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 18. DisasterArea 1.54 x64         380.5/1000  173 415 412  38.0%  2686  2696  2678  17 17  41.5%   91      2       7
 19. EXchess 7.51b x64             376.0/1000  168 416 416  37.6%  2683  2694  2675  17 17  41.6%   88      8       4
 20. Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64    364.5/1000  171 387 442  36.4%  2675  2685  2666  17 17  38.7%   88      3      19
 21. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64         336.5/1000  149 375 476  33.7%  2654  2667  2645  17 17  37.5%   87      6      21
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Re: FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 ... stats: +22/+54/+12

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi there,

here are the missed stats from my latest test-run.
Clearly to see that Arasan 17.5 POP x64 is improved in Transposition into endgame. Also the stats "lost and won" games up to move number 49 / 59 are clearly better.

Very nice improvements!
Since years on the way ... Arasan :-)

Endgame from Arasan is all the time very strong. Seems that the programmer made here no things, means is more working on the bad points with fast lost games and improved with the latest changes the late middlegame / transposition into endgame.

Would be wonderful if Jon can confirmed that.

If not ... my stats are bullshit?!
But better to have bullshit and no shit ... loud thinking!

Best
Frank


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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 1), games with move number 020-059
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64            : 2746  36 36  121  47.1%  2766  66.1%    17   80   24
 17. Arasan 17.4 POP x64            : 2724  37 38  134  44.0%  2765  59.7%    19   80   35
 
 +22 Elo
 
 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 1), games with move number  060-099
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64            : 2696  24 24  601  38.9%  2775  29.5%   145  177  279
 20. Arasan 17.4 POP x64            : 2642  26 27  562  31.6%  2777  23.3%   112  131  319
 
 + 54 Elo
  
 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 1), games with move number 100-299
 11. Arasan 17.5 POP x64            : 2761  24 24  278  49.5%  2765  64.4%    48  179   51
 11. Arasan 17.4 POP x64            : 2749  23 23  304  48.4%  2761  66.4%    46  202   56
 
 + 12 Elo

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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 1), games with move number 020-059
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.767, Category = 21
 
     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2849  35 34  159  61.6%  2766  57.9%    52   92   15
 02. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2847  28 24  159  61.6%  2765  74.2%    39  118    2
 02. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2847  33 31  142  61.6%  2765  66.9%    40   95    7
 04. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2815  38 37  119  57.1%  2765  63.9%    30   76   13
 05. Cheng4 0.38 x64                : 2811  29 28  153  57.5%  2758  71.9%    33  110   10
 06. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64          : 2809  34 33  138  55.1%  2773  66.7%    30   92   16
 07. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2808  39 38  134  56.7%  2761  56.7%    38   76   20
 08. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2797  32 31  136  54.0%  2769  71.3%    25   97   14
 09. Atlas 3.80 x64                 : 2783  30 29  112  51.3%  2774  79.5%    13   89   10
 10. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64                : 2781  29 29  161  52.5%  2764  71.4%    27  115   19
 11. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2778  33 33  123  50.4%  2775  71.5%    18   88   17
 12. Hannibal 1.4b x64              : 2770  36 36  117  50.9%  2765  67.5%    20   79   18
 13. EXchess 7.51b x64              : 2768  35 35  134  50.4%  2766  64.9%    24   87   23
 14. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2758  32 33  156  49.0%  2764  64.7%    26  101   29
 15. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64        : 2752  39 39  124  46.8%  2774  59.7%    21   74   29
 16. Arasan 17.5 POP x64            : 2746  36 36  121  47.1%  2766  66.1%    17   80   24
 17. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64          : 2727  33 34  141  43.3%  2774  65.2%    15   92   34
 18. DisasterArea 1.54 x64          : 2693  36 37  127  39.8%  2765  62.2%    11   79   37
 19. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64            : 2689  36 37  150  39.0%  2767  56.7%    16   85   49
 20. Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64     : 2656  45 46  122  33.6%  2774  45.9%    13   56   53
 21. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64          : 2619  40 41  166  29.2%  2772  42.8%    13   71   82

 Games         : 1447
 White Perf.   : 54.2%
 Black Perf.   : 45.8%
 White Wins    :  321 Games (22.2%)
 Black Wins    :  200 Games (13.8%)
 Draws         :  926 Games (64.0%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  249 Games (17.2%)
 ECO B00-B99   :  347 Games (24.0%)
 ECO C00-C99   :  288 Games (19.9%)
 ECO D00-D99   :  311 Games (21.5%)
 ECO E00-E99   :  252 Games (17.4%)
 
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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 1), games with move number  060-099
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.767, Category = 21
 
     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2925  26 25  604  72.6%  2756  26.0%   360  157   87
 02. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2922  26 25  596  72.6%  2753  26.3%   354  157   85
 03. Hannibal 1.4b x64              : 2887  25 25  589  68.3%  2755  27.5%   321  162  106
 04. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2863  25 25  571  64.6%  2758  27.0%   292  154  125
 05. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2850  24 24  578  63.0%  2758  30.8%   275  178  125
 06. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2849  25 25  596  62.2%  2763  24.0%   299  143  154
 07. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2820  24 24  572  58.2%  2763  28.3%   252  162  158
 08. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2771  23 23  610  50.5%  2767  31.8%   211  194  205
 09. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2764  23 23  603  49.7%  2766  32.7%   201  197  205
 10. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64          : 2761  24 24  563  49.2%  2767  29.8%   193  168  202
 11. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64                : 2754  22 22  642  48.2%  2766  33.5%   202  215  225
 12. Cheng4 0.38 x64                : 2749  25 25  572  46.9%  2771  25.5%   195  146  231
 13. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64          : 2735  25 25  571  45.4%  2767  25.0%   188  143  240
 14. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64        : 2732  25 25  567  45.1%  2766  24.2%   187  137  243
 15. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64            : 2724  24 24  587  42.8%  2775  26.6%   173  156  258
 16. Atlas 3.80 x64                 : 2713  24 24  604  41.7%  2771  27.8%   168  168  268
 17. Arasan 17.5 POP x64            : 2696  24 24  601  38.9%  2775  29.5%   145  177  279
 18. Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64     : 2659  25 25  611  34.0%  2775  25.0%   131  153  327
 19. DisasterArea 1.54 x64          : 2650  25 26  583  33.2%  2772  24.5%   122  143  318
 19. EXchess 7.51b x64              : 2650  25 25  600  32.9%  2773  25.5%   121  153  326
 21. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64          : 2633  27 27  570  30.4%  2777  22.3%   110  127  333

 Games         : 6195
 White Perf.   : 56.4%
 Black Perf.   : 43.6%
 White Wins    : 2648 Games (42.7%)
 Black Wins    : 1852 Games (29.9%)
 Draws         : 1695 Games (27.4%)

 ECO A00-A99   : 1069 Games (17.3%)
 ECO B00-B99   : 1448 Games (23.4%)
 ECO C00-C99   : 1361 Games (22.0%)
 ECO D00-D99   : 1184 Games (19.1%)
 ECO E00-E99   : 1133 Games (18.3%)
 
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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 1), games with move number 100-299
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.767, Category = 21

     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2848  26 26  285  61.6%  2766  57.2%    94  163   28
 02. Hannibal 1.4b x64              : 2839  24 23  294  60.5%  2765  63.9%    84  188   22
 03. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2814  23 23  306  57.0%  2764  64.4%    76  197   33
 04. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2807  23 22  292  56.2%  2764  67.8%    65  198   29
 04. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2807  27 26  254  55.5%  2768  61.4%    63  156   35
 06. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2800  30 30  231  54.8%  2767  55.0%    63  127   41
 07. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2786  25 25  263  52.7%  2767  65.0%    53  171   39
 08. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2783  22 22  270  52.2%  2768  71.1%    45  192   33
 09. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2777  28 28  241  51.5%  2767  59.8%    52  144   45
 10. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64        : 2764  23 23  309  49.7%  2766  65.7%    52  203   54
 11. Arasan 17.5 POP x64            : 2761  24 24  278  49.5%  2765  64.4%    48  179   51
 12. Atlas 3.80 x64                 : 2751  22 22  284  47.9%  2766  69.7%    37  198   49
 13. DisasterArea 1.54 x64          : 2747  23 23  290  47.1%  2767  66.6%    40  193   57
 14. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64          : 2737  23 23  299  45.8%  2766  66.2%    38  198   63
 14. Cheng4 0.38 x64                : 2737  23 23  275  45.3%  2770  68.0%    31  187   57
 16. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64            : 2734  25 25  263  45.8%  2763  63.5%    37  167   59
 17. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64          : 2731  24 24  288  44.4%  2769  63.9%    36  184   68
 18. Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64     : 2722  24 24  267  43.4%  2768  66.7%    27  178   62
 19. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64          : 2721  24 24  264  43.4%  2767  67.0%    26  177   61
 20. EXchess 7.51b x64              : 2712  24 24  266  41.7%  2770  66.2%    23  176   67
 21. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64                : 2707  31 32  197  40.6%  2773  57.9%    23  114   60

 Games         : 2858
 White Perf.   : 52.0%
 Black Perf.   : 48.0%
 White Wins    :  564 Games (19.7%)
 Black Wins    :  449 Games (15.7%)
 Draws         : 1845 Games (64.6%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  476 Games (16.7%)
 ECO B00-B99   :  633 Games (22.1%)
 ECO C00-C99   :  628 Games (22.0%)
 ECO D00-D99   :  592 Games (20.7%)
 ECO E00-E99   :  529 Games (18.5%)
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Re: FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 ... stats: +22/+54/+12

Post by jdart »

There were some changes in 17.5 that should improve endgame play: some adjustments to passed pawn scoring, an extra bonus for good king position when the opponent has low material, and a bonus for king mobility in the endgame. But I would not expect a dramatic improvement from these.

I think Arasan is doing better in your testing vs. how it has performed in CEGT for example (where it is a little below Gaviota 1.0). Not sure what the reason for the difference might be.

--Jon
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Re: FCT1: Arasan 17.5 POP x64 ... stats: +22/+54/+12

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi Jon,

most of time the differences comes in selection of "opponents" and quantity of opponents. CEGT 40/20 with 1 core don't have so many opponents I added. Can be very easy see in CEGT rating list.

A good example is Hannibal!!
Hannibal is very strong in endgame but the attacking style in middlegame engine isn't on the middle of the field. Many weaker engines are good in endgame too but comes with a clearly better attacking style.

Means, if I test Hannibal vs. the best opponents only ... Elo will be higher. If I added more weaker engines improvements in Elo is smaler. EXchess, iCE, Fizbo, Spark, Cheng ... the group of tactical strong engines will be bigger and bigger.

If I looking on the participants in CEGT, CEGT results should be clear.
My opinion!

With playing style "witchcraft" we can explain more in differents between the rating systems. I follow the results a longer time "more from the others as my own" and it's allways the same.

After I read results from others I wrote last week in CSS Forum, never Hannibal is on my list 50 Elo stronger, max. 30 Elo stronger. I know the participants others are using.

Will not say others are bad, more that many different opponents will give us a more exactly results with lesser quantity of games. In my opinion one of the secrets in testing engines.

At the moment I am very happy with your engine. Really nice games, stronger in late middlegame and much more danger after the openings Arasan Plays compare to older versions. Perfect engine for my rating systems. No other engine have such stats Arasan have. That's important ... more different styles can make a Rating List with lesser quantity of games more exactly.

Thanks for your answer.
Interesting to read it.

Best
Frank