FCT0: After FCT0 missed games, stats TOP-21, Stockfish

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi there,

after the 2.550 missed games between my TOP-21 different things are possible!

at first:
Here are the curret TOP-21 tournament table:
http://www.amateurschach.de/ftptrigger/fct0-2015.html

at second:
the current stats to middlegame / transposition into endgame and endgame between my TOP-21.

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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 0), games with move number 020-059
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.896, Category = 25
 
     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Komodo 8 x64                   : 3071  49 47  126  75.8%  2873  40.5%    70   51    5
 02. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3030  30 27  204  70.8%  2876  58.3%    85  119    0
 03. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64         : 3001  32 29  158  65.8%  2887  64.6%    53  102    3
 04. Fire 4 x64                     : 2989  32 31  163  62.9%  2897  63.2%    51  103    9
 05. Equinox 3.30 x64               : 2953  30 28  132  57.2%  2902  75.0%    26   99    7
 06. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64             : 2945  31 29  144  58.7%  2884  71.5%    33  103    8
 07. Texel 1.05 x64                 : 2924  35 35  134  54.9%  2890  64.9%    30   87   17
 08. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2917  31 30  158  54.1%  2888  67.7%    32  107   19
 09. Protector 1.7.0 x64            : 2915  26 26  169  53.6%  2890  75.1%    27  127   15
 10. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2912  24 23  178  52.0%  2898  79.2%    22  141   15
 11. Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64          : 2897  34 34  153  49.7%  2899  62.7%    28   96   29
 12. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2891  33 33  147  49.0%  2898  65.3%    24   96   27
 13. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2865  35 36  146  45.2%  2899  60.3%    22   88   36
 14. Hannibal 1.5 x64               : 2850  25 27  150  43.3%  2897  77.3%     7  116   27
 15. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2847  34 35  142  41.5%  2906  63.4%    14   90   38
 16. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2825  35 36  148  39.2%  2901  58.1%    15   86   47
 17. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32           : 2817  29 31  163  38.7%  2897  66.3%     9  108   46
 18. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2813  29 31  179  37.7%  2901  63.1%    11  113   55
 19. Shredder 12 x64                : 2812  31 32  183  36.1%  2912  59.0%    12  108   63
 20. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2798  29 31  173  35.5%  2901  64.2%     6  111   56
 21. DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64           : 2732  53 54  116  26.3%  2911  35.3%    10   41   65

 Games         : 1633
 White Perf.   : 55.7%
 Black Perf.   : 44.3%
 White Wins    :  387 Games (23.7%)
 Black Wins    :  200 Games (12.2%)
 Draws         : 1046 Games (64.1%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  283 Games (17.3%)
 ECO B00-B99   :  393 Games (24.1%)
 ECO C00-C99   :  335 Games (20.5%)
 ECO D00-D99   :  310 Games (19.0%)
 ECO E00-E99   :  312 Games (19.1%)
 
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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 0), games with move number  060-099
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.896, Category = 25
 
     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3186  31 30  584  86.1%  2869  20.9%   442  122   20
 02. Komodo 8 x64                   : 3137  28 28  602  82.2%  2871  23.9%   423  144   35
 03. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64         : 3064  27 26  570  74.7%  2875  27.0%   349  154   67
 04. Fire 4 x64                     : 3063  28 28  545  74.8%  2875  24.0%   342  131   72
 05. Equinox 3.30 x64               : 3037  26 26  561  72.7%  2867  26.7%   333  150   78
 06. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64             : 2937  25 25  537  57.3%  2886  30.4%   226  163  148
 07. Protector 1.7.0 x64            : 2929  25 24  543  54.7%  2896  30.2%   215  164  164
 08. Hannibal 1.5 x64               : 2912  24 24  545  53.4%  2888  30.8%   207  168  170
 09. Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64          : 2903  25 25  515  51.9%  2890  30.9%   188  159  168
 10. Texel 1.05 x64                 : 2894  24 24  564  50.2%  2892  30.9%   196  174  194
 11. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2892  24 24  581  50.0%  2892  26.0%   215  151  215
 12. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2863  24 24  556  45.0%  2899  32.7%   159  182  215
 13. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2817  24 25  545  38.5%  2899  31.6%   124  172  249
 14. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2816  26 26  541  38.7%  2896  26.4%   138  143  260
 15. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2799  25 25  568  36.0%  2899  27.3%   127  155  286
 16. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2791  25 25  578  34.8%  2900  26.3%   125  152  301
 17. Shredder 12 x64                : 2776  26 26  548  33.4%  2895  25.5%   113  140  295
 18. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2774  25 25  595  32.0%  2905  27.7%   108  165  322
 19. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32           : 2760  26 27  575  30.0%  2908  23.1%   106  133  336
 20. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2741  25 26  587  28.0%  2905  27.8%    83  163  341
 21. DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64           : 2721  28 28  580  25.6%  2906  19.8%    91  115  374

 Games         : 5910
 White Perf.   : 56.9%
 Black Perf.   : 43.1%
 White Wins    : 2565 Games (43.4%)
 Black Wins    : 1745 Games (29.5%)
 Draws         : 1600 Games (27.1%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  974 Games (16.5%)
 ECO B00-B99   : 1516 Games (25.7%)
 ECO C00-C99   : 1245 Games (21.1%)
 ECO D00-D99   : 1070 Games (18.1%)
 ECO E00-E99   : 1105 Games (18.7%)
 
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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 1), games with move number 100-299
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.762, Category = 21

     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2845  27 26  281  62.1%  2760  57.3%    94  161   26
 02. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2813  23 23  294  57.7%  2760  65.6%    73  193   28
 03. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2808  22 21  294  57.1%  2758  69.4%    66  204   24
 03. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2808  27 26  240  56.5%  2763  63.8%    59  153   28
 05. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2792  25 25  272  54.4%  2762  64.0%    61  174   37
 05. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2792  29 29  236  54.0%  2764  57.2%    60  135   41
 07. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2781  22 22  265  52.5%  2764  71.7%    44  190   31
 08. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2779  28 28  246  52.2%  2764  58.9%    56  145   45
 09. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64        : 2774  23 23  302  51.7%  2762  66.2%    56  200   46
 10. Arasan 17.5 POP x64            : 2762  24 24  287  50.3%  2759  65.2%    51  187   49
 11. Atlas 3.80 x64                 : 2753  23 23  279  48.6%  2763  67.7%    41  189   49
 12. DisasterArea 1.54 x64          : 2749  22 22  292  47.9%  2763  68.5%    40  200   52
 13. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64          : 2745  24 24  299  47.7%  2762  63.2%    48  189   62
 14. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64            : 2744  25 25  268  47.9%  2759  64.6%    42  173   53
 15. Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64          : 2739  24 24  290  46.6%  2763  64.8%    41  188   61
 16. Pedone 1.1 BMI2 x64            : 2734  22 22  290  46.4%  2760  69.3%    34  201   55
 17. Cheng4 0.38 x64                : 2731  22 23  274  45.3%  2764  69.3%    29  190   55
 18. Rodent 1.7 Build 1 POP x64     : 2720  22 23  283  44.2%  2761  68.6%    28  194   61
 19. EXchess 7.51b x64              : 2712  24 24  269  42.6%  2764  65.8%    26  177   66
 20. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64          : 2710  23 24  273  42.3%  2764  66.3%    25  181   67
 21. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64                : 2702  30 30  206  40.8%  2766  59.2%    23  122   61

 Games         : 2870
 White Perf.   : 51.8%
 Black Perf.   : 48.2%
 White Wins    :  551 Games (19.2%)
 Black Wins    :  446 Games (15.5%)
 Draws         : 1873 Games (65.3%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  457 Games (15.9%)
 ECO B00-B99   :  648 Games (22.6%)
 ECO C00-C99   :  628 Games (21.9%)
 ECO D00-D99   :  593 Games (20.7%)
 ECO E00-E99   :  544 Games (19.0%)
 
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At third ...
Now I can compare a bit Stockfish 03.08.2014 BMI2 with Stockfish 6 BMI2

All what I saw are right. More draw games in the beginning and here no more aggressive chess. Stockfish 6 lost a bit. And that is the reason that I lost a bit my interest on Stockfish because I like more aggressive chess after the beginning / after the opening moves. Komodo is here more interesting.

But after this one ...
Great stats to transposition into endgame and endgame. Should be around 30-50 Elo more Komodo 8.

Have a look here:
We compare vs. the same 20 opponents:

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 Move number 20-59
 
     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 02. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3030  30 27  204  70.8%  2876  58.3%    85  119    0
 02. Stockfish 03.08.14 BMI2 x64    : 3033  33 31  188  71.3%  2875  54.3%    83  102    3
 
 -03 Elo, more draw games ... good to see but ... 0 games lost!!
  
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 Move number 59-99

     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3186  31 30  584  86.1%  2869  20.9%   442  122   20
 01. Stockfish 03.08.14 BMI2 x64    : 3143  29 28  590  82.9%  2869  24.1%   418  142   30
 
 +43 Elo, clearly better and lesser draw games between move number 59-99
 
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  Move number 100-299
 
     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3045  32 30  212  69.8%  2899  53.8%    91  114    7
 01. Stockfish 03.08.14 BMI2 x64    : 2997  26 25  222  64.0%  2897  65.8%    69  146    7
 
 +48 Elo, clearly better and lesser draw games between move number 100-299

Ferdinand programmed very interesting things.
My Problem is that I have These days not many time.
Furthermore my webhost Company is working again on FTP Server and for 2 days I had no Chance to update my page.

And have a look here ... to the first table:

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  01. Komodo 8 x64                   : 3071  49 47  126  75.8%  2873  40.5%    70   51    5 
  02. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3030  30 27  204  70.8%  2876  58.3%    85  119    0 

Komodo 8 with 51 fast draw games (with the same trick the Houdini programmer is working) and Stockfish 6 with 119 fast draw games, more as double!!

Best
Frank

[Frank Quisinsky]

Sorry, endgame stat was from FCT1 ...
Now the right stats between my TOP-21.

Best
Frank

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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 0), games with move number 020-059
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.896, Category = 25

     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Komodo 8 x64                   : 3071  49 47  126  75.8%  2873  40.5%    70   51    5
 02. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3030  30 27  204  70.8%  2876  58.3%    85  119    0
 03. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64         : 3001  32 29  158  65.8%  2887  64.6%    53  102    3
 04. Fire 4 x64                     : 2989  32 31  163  62.9%  2897  63.2%    51  103    9
 05. Equinox 3.30 x64               : 2953  30 28  132  57.2%  2902  75.0%    26   99    7
 06. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64             : 2945  31 29  144  58.7%  2884  71.5%    33  103    8
 07. Texel 1.05 x64                 : 2924  35 35  134  54.9%  2890  64.9%    30   87   17
 08. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2917  31 30  158  54.1%  2888  67.7%    32  107   19
 09. Protector 1.7.0 x64            : 2915  26 26  169  53.6%  2890  75.1%    27  127   15
 10. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2912  24 23  178  52.0%  2898  79.2%    22  141   15
 11. Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64          : 2897  34 34  153  49.7%  2899  62.7%    28   96   29
 12. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2891  33 33  147  49.0%  2898  65.3%    24   96   27
 13. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2865  35 36  146  45.2%  2899  60.3%    22   88   36
 14. Hannibal 1.5 x64               : 2850  25 27  150  43.3%  2897  77.3%     7  116   27
 15. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2847  34 35  142  41.5%  2906  63.4%    14   90   38
 16. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2825  35 36  148  39.2%  2901  58.1%    15   86   47
 17. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32           : 2817  29 31  163  38.7%  2897  66.3%     9  108   46
 18. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2813  29 31  179  37.7%  2901  63.1%    11  113   55
 19. Shredder 12 x64                : 2812  31 32  183  36.1%  2912  59.0%    12  108   63
 20. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2798  29 31  173  35.5%  2901  64.2%     6  111   56
 21. DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64           : 2732  53 54  116  26.3%  2911  35.3%    10   41   65

 Games         : 1633
 White Perf.   : 55.7%
 Black Perf.   : 44.3%
 White Wins    :  387 Games (23.7%)
 Black Wins    :  200 Games (12.2%)
 Draws         : 1046 Games (64.1%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  283 Games (17.3%)
 ECO B00-B99   :  393 Games (24.1%)
 ECO C00-C99   :  335 Games (20.5%)
 ECO D00-D99   :  310 Games (19.0%)
 ECO E00-E99   :  312 Games (19.1%)


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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 0), games with move number  060-099
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.896, Category = 25
 
     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3186  31 30  584  86.1%  2869  20.9%   442  122   20
 02. Komodo 8 x64                   : 3137  28 28  602  82.2%  2871  23.9%   423  144   35
 03. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64         : 3064  27 26  570  74.7%  2875  27.0%   349  154   67
 04. Fire 4 x64                     : 3063  28 28  545  74.8%  2875  24.0%   342  131   72
 05. Equinox 3.30 x64               : 3037  26 26  561  72.7%  2867  26.7%   333  150   78
 06. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64             : 2937  25 25  537  57.3%  2886  30.4%   226  163  148
 07. Protector 1.7.0 x64            : 2929  25 24  543  54.7%  2896  30.2%   215  164  164
 08. Hannibal 1.5 x64               : 2912  24 24  545  53.4%  2888  30.8%   207  168  170
 09. Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64          : 2903  25 25  515  51.9%  2890  30.9%   188  159  168
 10. Texel 1.05 x64                 : 2894  24 24  564  50.2%  2892  30.9%   196  174  194
 11. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2892  24 24  581  50.0%  2892  26.0%   215  151  215
 12. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2863  24 24  556  45.0%  2899  32.7%   159  182  215
 13. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2817  24 25  545  38.5%  2899  31.6%   124  172  249
 14. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2816  26 26  541  38.7%  2896  26.4%   138  143  260
 15. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2799  25 25  568  36.0%  2899  27.3%   127  155  286
 16. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2791  25 25  578  34.8%  2900  26.3%   125  152  301
 17. Shredder 12 x64                : 2776  26 26  548  33.4%  2895  25.5%   113  140  295
 18. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2774  25 25  595  32.0%  2905  27.7%   108  165  322
 19. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32           : 2760  26 27  575  30.0%  2908  23.1%   106  133  336
 20. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2741  25 26  587  28.0%  2905  27.8%    83  163  341
 21. DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64           : 2721  28 28  580  25.6%  2906  19.8%    91  115  374

 Games         : 5910
 White Perf.   : 56.9%
 Black Perf.   : 43.1%
 White Wins    : 2565 Games (43.4%)
 Black Wins    : 1745 Games (29.5%)
 Draws         : 1600 Games (27.1%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  974 Games (16.5%)
 ECO B00-B99   : 1516 Games (25.7%)
 ECO C00-C99   : 1245 Games (21.1%)
 ECO D00-D99   : 1070 Games (18.1%)
 ECO E00-E99   : 1105 Games (18.7%)

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 FCT1 (Frank's Continuous Tourney 0), games with move number 100-299
 Elostat 1.3,   EloØ = 2.896, Category = 25

     Programs                         Elo   +   - Games Score Av.Op. Draws   Won Draw Lost
 01. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64           : 3045  32 30  212  69.8%  2899  53.8%    91  114    7
 02. Komodo 8 x64                   : 2982  23 22  272  61.6%  2900  68.0%    75  185   12
 03. Fire 4 x64                     : 2966  23 23  292  59.9%  2896  65.1%    80  190   22
 04. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64         : 2950  21 21  272  57.5%  2897  73.2%    57  199   16
 05. Equinox 3.30 x64               : 2916  22 22  307  52.1%  2902  68.4%    55  210   42
 06. Protector 1.7.0 x64            : 2901  23 23  288  51.4%  2891  66.0%    53  190   45
 07. Naum 4.6 x64                   : 2897  22 22  297  50.8%  2891  68.0%    50  202   45
 08. Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64          : 2892  20 20  332  49.5%  2895  72.0%    45  239   48
 08. Shredder 12 x64                : 2892  23 23  269  49.8%  2893  70.6%    39  190   40
 10. Texel 1.05 x64                 : 2891  23 23  302  48.7%  2900  66.9%    46  202   54
 11. Hannibal 1.5 x64               : 2888  23 23  305  48.7%  2898  63.9%    51  195   59
 12. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64             : 2882  21 21  319  47.2%  2902  68.7%    41  219   59
 13. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64          : 2881  23 24  280  48.4%  2893  66.8%    42  187   51
 14. Chiron 2.0 x64                 : 2879  24 24  261  47.1%  2899  67.4%    35  176   50
 15. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32             : 2878  21 22  284  47.5%  2895  71.8%    33  204   47
 16. DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64           : 2875  21 21  304  47.9%  2890  70.7%    38  215   51
 17. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64          : 2873  25 25  277  46.8%  2895  63.9%    41  177   59
 18. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32           : 2859  24 24  262  45.0%  2894  67.2%    30  176   56
 19. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64           : 2855  26 26  280  44.6%  2893  59.3%    42  166   72
 20. Junior 13.3.00 x64             : 2831  28 28  259  41.1%  2893  55.2%    35  143   81
 21. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64  : 2801  25 27  240  36.9%  2895  62.9%    13  151   76

 Games         : 2957
 White Perf.   : 51.5%
 Black Perf.   : 48.5%
 White Wins    :  539 Games (18.2%)
 Black Wins    :  453 Games (15.3%)
 Draws         : 1965 Games (66.5%)

 ECO A00-A99   :  414 Games (14.0%)
 ECO B00-B99   :  704 Games (23.8%)
 ECO C00-C99   :  673 Games (22.8%)
 ECO D00-D99   :  599 Games (20.3%)
 ECO E00-E99   :  567 Games (19.2%)

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi there,

different things are really good to see ...
OK all is good known today with such stats and other works.

Have a look in Shredder ... great in endgames, but lost a lot of games very fast.

Nirvanachess ... 15 games lost fast vs. TOP engines. Nice to see in FCT1 stats too. Engine have an excellent king safty. The Sting programmer should try to improve the endgames. Naum stronger in endgames, the same stats Rybka have only around 60 Elo weaker. Yes I have also the Rybka stats but I not public the results.

Komodo ... in the beginning Doch and first Komodo Versions likes more positional chess ... not good stats after the opening moves ... today clearly the number 1 here.

Chiron stronger with lesser pieces on board. And so many other things. I have again and again the same results with other games. In my opinion the move stats I create aren't bad to see a bit more in detail.

Enough ...
Have fun with my work ...
Now Sjeng is still running ... will be good for all others because Sjeng have an other playing style as engines in my list. One opponent more ... same for Thinker, so I am thinking I should give Thinker again a Chance for such an test-run I started with Sjeng.

Furthermore ...
Which is the best WB engine?
Thinker or Fizbo is the question!

Best
Frank

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi there,

now the Stockfish problem is more and more to see in detail with the tool by Ferdinand Mosca "pngs 2.4".

From 75 engine I have in my current FCP database Stockfish 6 BMI2 produced with white the lowest move average (draw games up to move 59) with clearly to many of this games!!

The number 1 produced the lowest move average (draw games up to move number 59) from 75 engines with white again. Should be a bad point in testing method all the Stockfish people are using because I wonder that this one will not fixed. I wrote often about it but from version to version the fast draw stats are more bad.

Should be exactly 9 Elo after my simulation in comparing with Komodo results vs. weaker opponents and vs. stronger opponents 6.5 Elo.

I added the information in my News 158 to the stat tool from Ferdinand. Perhaps it's helped a bit to find out more.

This is really bad for opening book analyzes because after opening book moves I must thinking that Stockfish is searching at first a fast draw ...

Clearly better ... in the near of perfect ... is Komodo 8. A strong Grandmaster will not used Stockfish here because he must not life in danger that Stockfish produced a small draw variant only. And believe me the GM must life in danger to get such an analyses!

This one should fixed very fast because it's a KO criterium for serious opening analyzes for really strong players.

Best
Frank