I never used to believe Fisher. But now? maybe.

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S.Taylor
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I never used to believe Fisher. But now? maybe.

Post by S.Taylor »

Fisher used to complain bitterly that GM's agreed draws in advance, between themselves in order to outsmart other teams.

I never believed this and was sure he was hallucinating. I could never understand how chess players would ever do such a thing.

But now that I see how fervently wrestling fans say that WWE is all scripted and the outcomes of all major fights are decided a long time in advance, and wrestling is a very violent sport with anger and emotions and physical pain and harm in the offing, but is all done for entertainment, only now i can believe that it is 1000 times easier to do this in chess if they want.

So indeed, why not!

And what about the spectators? aren't they angry?

No! why should they be? They don't need to know and they got their entertainment, just like the wrestling fans do, and hardly ever complain even when they know it is scripted.

So chess, could be no more than a branch of the acting industry.

(They would make ME world champion, and beating Magnus, if it was good for business)
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Post by chessmobile »

One weird claim that Fischer came up with was that the Karpov-Kasparov World Championship games were rigged in advance and that he had proof, but sadly he died before he could explain. I just don't see it, as that implies that their loathing and dislike for each other in those early years was just an act.
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One can try to think of reasons. Or maybe Fisher was wrong about THAT one. Maybe not. But maybe he was still right about other cases.
Fisher certainly DID talk a load of nonsense very often.
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Fischer not Fisher
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chessmobile wrote:One weird claim that Fischer came up with was that the Karpov-Kasparov World Championship games were rigged in advance and that he had proof, but sadly he died before he could explain. I just don't see it, as that implies that their loathing and dislike for each other in those early years was just an act.
My only observation from that time period was that FIDE certainly favored Karpov. They did weird things in those days, when many of us were Kasparov fans due to his wild style of play compared to Karpov, who was a consummate boring type of player..
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Post by Gurcan Uckardes »

RJF's statements about pre-agreement between Russian players, decided and dictated by their managers, are confirmed years later by Botvinnik. Besides, some results in tournaments of 1960s were obvious. It's logical to believe these facts.
But regarding GK-AK matches, there were no pre-agreement at all. That statement belongs to a period where RJF's started to see everything around the world like chess positions :-)
GK has spoken a lot about these matches vs AK. It's an interesting story about the dictating authority vs a young, dangerous, uncontrollable bad boy. GK had to overcome a lot of difficulties beyond chess to become WC.
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Gurcan Uckardes wrote:RJF's statements about pre-agreement between Russian players, decided and dictated by their managers, are confirmed years later by Botvinnik. Besides, some results in tournaments of 1960s were obvious. It's logical to believe these facts.
But regarding GK-AK matches, there were no pre-agreement at all. That statement belongs to a period where RJF's started to see everything around the world like chess positions :-)
GK has spoken a lot about these matches vs AK. It's an interesting story about the dictating authority vs a young, dangerous, uncontrollable bad boy. GK had to overcome a lot of difficulties beyond chess to become WC.
Hope I didn't imply I thought that GK-AK had any sort of pre-arranged outcomes. Kasparov was Kasparov, and everyone I knew was pulling for his lightning-style of chess. It almost appeared to be FIDE/Karpov vs Kasparov at times.
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Post by Gurcan Uckardes »

About GK vs AK, i was refering to RJF's non sense comment.
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