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Rebel
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Super tournament

Post by Rebel »

I am willing to run a super tournament that emulates an as close as possible human-human tournament. Meaning the following:

#1. I am looking for 30 engines.

#2. Each engine will play the other 29 engines twice, one game with white and one game with the black pieces. Thus in total 58 rounds x 15 games = 870 games.

#3. Time control 40/20 repeating.

#4. Single processor only.

#5. PB = ON

#6. Opening Book allowed. (**)

#7. Learning allowed.

#8. Elo rating provided. Before a game starts I will put a textfile in your root directory that contains the name of your opponent and the elo rating. You then can set your contempt factor, change playing style, change opening book, whatever you think is needed to get the best result. Textfile layout:

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Chessnutty
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#9. You are allowed to change version and/or opening book only once.

#10. Interface: in principle Arena.

#11. Round updates | ranking | PGN download.

#12. Will try to install a live viewer. Perhaps need some help here.

#13. Private engines allowed as long as they are not clones or closely derived, I will check.

#14. No table bases since they may influence other cores. Unless you convince me otherwise.

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Suggested start at December one so you can make preparations on #6 and #8.

If you are interested subscribe at the contact form [ http://rebel13.nl/home/contact.html ]

If more than 30 engines subscribe then they will be ordered by their rating meaning the 30 highest rated will play. The background of this tournament (besides the fun) is to get some insight if the end result is in sync with the current rating lists.

(**) on opening books. Is open for discussion, I suggest:

#1. Good book editors are not many, I suggest one book editor may support 2 engines max, preferable only 1.

#2. I suppose that nowadays there are many free opening books, these are allowed.

Prices or Prizes : none.
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Re: Super tournament

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Rebel wrote:I am willing to run a super tournament that emulates an as close as possible human-human tournament. Meaning the following:

#1. I am looking for 30 engines.

#2. Each engine will play the other 29 engines twice, one game with white and one game with the black pieces. Thus in total 58 rounds x 15 games = 870 games.

#3. Time control 40/20 repeating.

#4. Single processor only.

#5. PB = ON

#6. Opening Book allowed. (**)

#7. Learning allowed.

#8. Elo rating provided. Before a game starts I will put a textfile in your root directory that contains the name of your opponent and the elo rating. You then can set your contempt factor, change playing style, change opening book, whatever you think is needed to get the best result. Textfile layout:

Code: Select all

Chessnutty
2400
#9. You are allowed to change version and/or opening book only once.

#10. Interface: in principle Arena.

#11. Round updates | ranking | PGN download.

#12. Will try to install a live viewer. Perhaps need some help here.

#13. Private engines allowed as long as they are not clones or closely derived, I will check.

#14. No table bases since they may influence other cores. Unless you convince me otherwise.

----------------

Suggested start at December one so you can make preparations on #6 and #8.

If you are interested subscribe at the contact form [ http://rebel13.nl/home/contact.html ]

If more than 30 engines subscribe then they will be ordered by their rating meaning the 30 highest rated will play. The background of this tournament (besides the fun) is to get some insight if the end result is in sync with the current rating lists.

(**) on opening books. Is open for discussion, I suggest:

#1. Good book editors are not many, I suggest one book editor may support 2 engines max, preferable only 1.

#2. I suppose that nowadays there are many free opening books, these are allowed.

Prices or Prizes : none.
Own book is indeed interesting, and I don't really care what book or editors my opponents will be using.

Why not use a Swiss system so that when number of entries are more than 30 all can still be accommodated. There is not much point in registering when later I could not make it to the tournamnent.
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Re: Super tournament

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Ferdy wrote:Why not use a Swiss system so that when number of entries are more than 30 all can still be accommodated.
True that.
There is not much point in registering when later I could not make it to the tournamnent.
Just in case it wasn't clear, this is no online tournament, tournament will run on one of my PC's.
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Re: Super tournament

Post by BBauer »

Isn't there something like

Computer Chess Club: Tournaments and Matches

for Tournaments and Matches ?

Kind regards

Bernhard
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Re: Super tournament

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do you think to test the engines before the tournament? I'm interested because my engine has never been extensively tested with PB=on except from myself.

the engine should decide his comtemp factor by himself reading from your provided file?
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Re: Super tournament

Post by jdart »

I am interested in participating with Arasan.

Re ratings: there is a standard Winboard command to send rating info to the engine. It sends both the engine's own rating and the opponent rating (opponent rating alone is not useful if you don't know your own rating in the same pool). My engine will process this command if running in Winboard mode (normally though this info is sent only if running on a chess server). I'm probably not going to modify it to read the info from a text file.

--Jon
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Re: Super tournament

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BBauer wrote:Isn't there something like

Computer Chess Club: Tournaments and Matches

for Tournaments and Matches ?

Kind regards

Bernhard
Indeed, my bad.
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Re: Super tournament

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elcabesa wrote:do you think to test the engines before the tournament? I'm interested because my engine has never been extensively tested with PB=on except from myself.

the engine should decide his comtemp factor by himself reading from your provided file?
Yes, you are free with to do with the information what you want. You have the right to prepare on your opponent.
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Re: Super tournament

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jdart wrote:I am interested in participating with Arasan.

Re ratings: there is a standard Winboard command to send rating info to the engine. It sends both the engine's own rating and the opponent rating (opponent rating alone is not useful if you don't know your own rating in the same pool). My engine will process this command if running in Winboard mode (normally though this info is sent only if running on a chess server). I'm probably not going to modify it to read the info from a text file.

--Jon
Arena supports WB, you could let me know the parameter.
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Re: Super tournament

Post by GONeill »

Rebel wrote:
Ferdy wrote:Why not use a Swiss system so that when number of entries are more than 30 all can still be accommodated.
True that.
Hi Ed,

In case you want to run a Swiss with Arena you could try my program ArenaSwiss from http://goneill.co.nz/arenaswiss.php.

I think its main features are that you can have multiple games in each pairing and that it's really easy to interrupt and restart a tournament so that your PC isn't tied up for days on end.

Regards, Graham