Nezhmetdinov - Chernikov - 1962 - Queen Sac

[reflectionofpower]

Does any program find the move 12)Qxf6?! it does put you slightly in the hole but with Kasparovian possibilities. Nezhmetdinov was a deadly attacking,creative player. He even tuned up Tal and many others.

[d]r1b2rk1/pp1ppp1p/5bp1/q7/3nP2Q/1BN1B3/PPP2PPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 12

Here's the game in it's entirety:

[pgn][Event "Rostov on Don"]
[Site "Rostov on Don"]
[Date "1962.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nezhmetdinov, Rashid"]
[Black "Chernikov, Oleg L"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B35"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "1962.??.??"]
[EventType "game"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "URS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2005.11.24"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 g6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4 O-O 8.
Bb3 Ng4 9. Qxg4 Nxd4 10. Qh4 Qa5 11. O-O Bf6 12. Qxf6 Ne2+ 13. Nxe2 exf6 14.
Nc3 Re8 15. Nd5 Re6 16. Bd4 Kg7 17. Rad1 d6 18. Rd3 Bd7 19. Rf3 Bb5 20. Bc3 Qd8
21. Nxf6 Be2 22. Nxh7+ Kg8 23. Rh3 Re5 24. f4 Bxf1 25. Kxf1 Rc8 26. Bd4 b5 27.
Ng5 Rc7 28. Bxf7+ Rxf7 29. Rh8+ Kxh8 30. Nxf7+ Kh7 31. Nxd8 Rxe4 32. Nc6 Rxf4+
33. Ke2 1-0[/pgn]

Awesome youtube documentary on him too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BUZ2zyWRh0

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

that is really a great game.

[reflectionofpower]

that is really a great game.

Yeah, and if you watch the documentary it stated that as Chernikov was walking around waiting for Rashid's 12th move and a draw offer which took forty minutes. A boy all excitedly came up to him and said,"Mister,he sacrificed his queen to you."

"Chernikov never left the board after that."

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

that is really a great game.

Yeah, and if you watch the documentary it stated that as Chernikov was walking around waiting for Rashid's 12th move and a draw offer which took forty minutes. A boy all excitedly came up to him and said,"Mister,he sacrificed his queen to you."

"Chernikov never left the board after that."

Nezhmetdinov had a 3wins and 1 draw, no losses record against Tal, and Tal readily acknowledges he should have lost also the 4th game.

I think all Tal-Nezhmetdinov games are really great stuff, even better than the present one, maybe someone can dig up some of those, just as a side note.

that is what happens when you spent all your time in a smoke-shrouded chess/checkers coffeehouse.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

Does any program find the move 12)Qxf6?! it does put you slightly in the hole but with Kasparovian possibilities. Nezhmetdinov was a deadly attacking,creative player. He even tuned up Tal and many others.

[d]r1b2rk1/pp1ppp1p/5bp1/q7/3nP2Q/1BN1B3/PPP2PPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 12

Here's the game in it's entirety:

[pgn][Event "Rostov on Don"]
[Site "Rostov on Don"]
[Date "1962.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nezhmetdinov, Rashid"]
[Black "Chernikov, Oleg L"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B35"]
[PlyCount "65"]
[EventDate "1962.??.??"]
[EventType "game"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "URS"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2005.11.24"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 g6 5. Nc3 Bg7 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4 O-O 8.
Bb3 Ng4 9. Qxg4 Nxd4 10. Qh4 Qa5 11. O-O Bf6 12. Qxf6 Ne2+ 13. Nxe2 exf6 14.
Nc3 Re8 15. Nd5 Re6 16. Bd4 Kg7 17. Rad1 d6 18. Rd3 Bd7 19. Rf3 Bb5 20. Bc3 Qd8
21. Nxf6 Be2 22. Nxh7+ Kg8 23. Rh3 Re5 24. f4 Bxf1 25. Kxf1 Rc8 26. Bd4 b5 27.
Ng5 Rc7 28. Bxf7+ Rxf7 29. Rh8+ Kxh8 30. Nxf7+ Kh7 31. Nxd8 Rxe4 32. Nc6 Rxf4+
33. Ke2 1-0[/pgn]

Awesome youtube documentary on him too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BUZ2zyWRh0

just for the record, Lonnie, your 12.Qf6?! assessment should be changed to 12.Qf6!! one, as Qf6 simply wins.

white has the first move advantage, and black already made 2 mistakes, Qa5, and then Bf6. I have no doubt white is winning. (do not know if anyone has already analysed this with engines or otherwise extensively)

I checked briefly with SF and Komodo, and both do not see the move at all (again a bad capture), after the engines are shown the move, SF quickly sees its usual repetition 0.0 score, while Komodo either sees a draw, or even somewhat prefers black. those are bogus scores and lines though. Best lines either require a long sequence of quiet moves engines do not quite see, or, at the point SF repeats the position, white is already winning in terms of imbalance, but the Fish has no clue of that.

so, if anyone is checking with their engines, no doubt Qf6 wins.

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

here a link to an analysis dating back from more than 10 years ago, with the tremendous help of Fritz 8 and Chessmaster 8000. (did not quite find anything newer): http://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af-dl/n ... r_r62.html

the article states that still no certainty if Qf6 wins, but I, on the other hand, am fully certain.

best defence for black is Qf6 Ne2 Ne2 ef6 Nc3 d5! (otherwise black is simply crushed after Rd1-d3, precisely the way Nezhmetdinov played) Nd5 Be6 Nf6 Kg7 Nd5 Bd5 Bd5:

[d]r4r2/pp3pkp/6p1/q2B4/4P3/4B3/PPP2PPP/R4RK1 b - - 0 7

and white easily wins that, although SF and Komodo are not quite convinced. white proceeds with a4,c3, winning.

so no mystery, Qf6 wins, and it is the only winning move (time for problem collectors to update their suites)

maybe still someone can find a refutation?

[reflectionofpower]

[d]r2q4/pp3pkp/3prNp1/1b6/4P3/1BB2R2/PPP2PPP/5RK1 b - - 0 21

You'll see that the game is still relatively even until Black makes the move 21) ...Be2? Then white plays 22)Nxh7+ with a good advantage. Black should have played Rc8 because then if Nxh7+ then Rxc3 and now black is winning.

That's why I gave White's 12th move ?! because it gave him an edge but not a blatantly won game. With a better defense on black's part he could have held the game. Against a (C) White's move would not have worked but because he was playing something that needed to breathe in oxygen to survive he could pull it off.

Look at how Tal played Botvinnik in 1960,Botvinnik vs Tal in 61, or how Fischer played Spassky in 72. Dynamism works well verse humans.

[yanquis1972]

sorry lyudmil, youre going to have to prove Qf6 is a !!; ive never seen any evidence that it wins against best play. i would give it !!? if such a notation existed.

my personal favorite move ever played, & the very first position i check with any new engine, but for it to be considered a test position, Qxf6 has to be proven demonstrably better than the alternatives. id love to see that done, but im extremely skeptical.

[reflectionofpower]

sorry lyudmil, youre going to have to prove Qf6 is a !!; ive never seen any evidence that it wins against best play. i would give it !!? if such a notation existed.

my personal favorite move ever played, & the very first position i check with any new engine, but for it to be considered a test position, Qxf6 has to be proven demonstrably better than the alternatives. id love to see that done, but im extremely skeptical.

For a human to play it is phenomenal. Who of us would have the balls or the brains to play such a move but I agree with you in that it is a great move but not the best. Most engines go for Qh6 or Qg4 and white has a slight edge. Why can't we have a notation like !?!?

[jdart]

Don't know about this one, but a lot of Tal's sacrifices were unsound. A move can give great practical chances because it gives the opponent a hard defensive task, and they can err, but in many cases there is a possible defense or even a refutation.

--Jon