Female World Champ could Promote Komodo Worldwide

[Chessqueen]

The Female World champion GM Ju Wenjun is NOT afraid to play Versus engines as you can see here, I wonder what was the Robot chess engine rating and if she is willing to accept an Odds match against Komodo for the right price? Also what would be the Odds that Komodo on 32 cores can give the Champion in 15' + 10" Rapid Blitz. We know that Carlsen will never play versus an engine he is too proud to lose, but the Female World Champion does not seems to mind playing in public and possibly online if the offer is the right prize. If GM Lenderman beat Komodo by a wide Margin the next challenger who is NOT afraid it seems here could bring a lot of promotion to KOMODO Worldwide.

[supersharp77]

The Female World champion GM Ju Wenjun is NOT afraid to play Versus engines as you can see here, I wonder what was the Robot chess engine rating and if she is willing to accept an Odds match against Komodo for the right price? Also what would be the Odds that Komodo on 32 cores can give the Champion in 15' + 10" Rapid Blitz. We know that Carlsen will never play versus an engine he is too proud to lose, but the Female World Champion does not seems to mind playing in public and possibly online if the offer is the right prize. If GM Lenderman beat Komodo by a wide Margin the next challenger who is NOT afraid it seems here could bring a lot of promotion to KOMODO Worldwide.

Hahahaha....Interesting Logic.... "Whatever"......"By Giving Knight odds vs a Machine You already Lost" Especially given the ratings Inflation.. these GM's have their presumed strength at 2900+ also....go figure.....

https://2700chess.com/

1 Carlsen 2863.0 0.0 2881.0 2887.0 29
2 Caruana 2835.0 0.0 2773.0 2711.0 27
3 Ding Liren 2791.0 0.0 2836.0 2788.0 27
4 Nepomniachtchi 2784.0 0.0 2778.0 2785.0 29
5 Vachier-Lagrave 2778.0 0.0 2860.0 2822.0 29
6 Grischuk 2777.0 0.0 2784.0 2765.0 36
7 Aronian 2773.0 0.0 2778.0 2740.0 37
8 So 2770.0 0.0 2741.0 2816.0 26
9 Radjabov 2765.0 0.0 2758.0 2757.0 33
10 Giri 2764.0 0.0 2731.0 2752.0 25
11 Mamedyarov 2764.0 0.0 2761.0 2716.0 35
12 Wang Hao 2763.0 0.0 2750.0 2712.0 30
13 Rapport 2760.0 0.0 2727.0 2759.0 24
14 Dominguez Perez 2758.0 0.0 2786.0 2654.0 36
15 Anand 2753.0 0.0 2751.0 2785.0 50
16 Duda 2753.0 0.0 2774.0 2799.0 22
17 Karjakin 2752.0 0.0 2709.0 2766.0 30
18 Nakamura 2736.0 0.0 2829.0 2900.0 32
19 Topalov 2735.0 0.0 2707.0 2667.0 45
20 Wei Yi 2732.0 0.0 2752.0 2686.0 20
21 Firouzja 2728.0 0.0 2703.0 2750.0 16
22 Andreikin 2726.0 0.0 2740.0 2783.0 30
23 Vidit 2726.0 0.0 2636.0 2755.0 25
24 Svidler 2723.0 0.0 2742.0 2754.0 43
25 Vitiugov 2722.0 0.0 2616.0 2673.0 33
26 Harikrishna 2719.0 0.0 2690.0 2663.0 34
27 Navara 2719.0 0.0 2707.0 2737.0 35
28 Wojtaszek 2719.0 0.0 2662.0 2690.0 33
29 Artemiev 2716.0 0.0 2769.0 2783.0 22
30 Vallejo Pons 2710.0 0.0 2656.0 2615.0 37
31 Le Quang Liem 2709.0 0.0 2744.0 2690.0 29
32 Xiong 2709.0 0.0 2730.0 2724.0 19
33 Yu Yangyi 2709.0 0.0 2738.0 2808.0 25
34 Tomashevsky 2706.0 0.0 2681.0 2695.0 32
35 Bu Xiangzhi 2705.0 0.0 2642.0 2760.0 34
36 Anton Guijarro 2703.0 0.0 2718.0 2590.0 24
37 Adams 2701.0 0.0 2689.0 2709.0 48

http://chessowl.blogspot.com/

1 Stockfish 11.0 x64 3682 100 87.50 17.00 Romstad, Costalba, Kiiski, Linscott
2 Houdini 6.02 x64 3507 100 72.00 44.00 Robert Houdart
3 Komodo 13.2.5 x64 3481 100 69.00 40.00 Dailey, Kaufman, Lefler
4 Ethereal 12.0 x64 3438 100 63.50 43.00 Andrew Grant
5 Fire 7.1 x64 3387 100 56.50 55.00 Norman Schmidt
6 Xiphos 0.6 x64 3383 100 56.00 50.00 Milos Tatarevic
7 Rofchade 2.3 x64 3341 3300 65.23 35.70 Ronald Friedrich
8 Schooner 2.2 x64 3338 100 49.50 55.00 Dennis Sceviour
9 Shredder 13.0 x64 3323 100 47.50 49.00 Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
10 Slow Blitz Classic 2.0 x64 3309 100 45.50 33.00 Jonathan Kreuzer
11 Defen 2.2 x64 3284 100 42.00 50.00 Can Catin, Dogac Eidenk
12 Rubi 1.7.1 x64 3263 100 39.00 54.00 Andreas Matthias
13 Laser 1.7 x64 3263 100 39.00 42.00 Jeffrey An, Michael An
14 Gull 3.0 x64 3255 100 38.00 46.00 Vadim Demichev
15 Hannibal 1.7 x64 3209 100 32.00 24.00 Sam Hamilton, Edsel Apostol
16 Equinox 3.30 x64 3201 100 31.00 46.00 Colli, Rocchi
17 Booot 6.4 x64 3188 100 29.50 37.00 Alex Morozov
18 Andscacs 0.95 x64 3184 100 29.00 40.00 Daniel Jose Queralto
19 Fritz 16.0 x64 3180 100 28.50 39.00 Chessbase
20 Pedone 2.0 x64 3180 100 28.50 35.00 Fabio Gobbato
21 Wasp 3.75 x64 3167 100 27.00 40.00 John Stanback
22 Nemorino 5.28 x64 3158 100 26.00 36.00 Christian Gunther
23 Nirvana 2.4 x64 3144 100 24.50 35.00 Thomas Kolarik
24 Demolito 2019-12-10 x64 3124 100 22.50 33.00 Lucas Braesch
25 ICE 4.0 x64 3124 100 22.50 35.00 Thomas Petzke
26 Texel 1.07 x64 3109 100 21.00 28.00 Peter Osterlund

[Chessqueen]

The Female World champion GM Ju Wenjun is NOT afraid to play Versus engines as you can see here, I wonder what was the Robot chess engine rating and if she is willing to accept an Odds match against Komodo for the right price? Also what would be the Odds that Komodo on 32 cores can give the Champion in 15' + 10" Rapid Blitz. We know that Carlsen will never play versus an engine he is too proud to lose, but the Female World Champion does not seems to mind playing in public and possibly online if the offer is the right prize. If GM Lenderman beat Komodo by a wide Margin the next challenger who is NOT afraid it seems here could bring a lot of promotion to KOMODO Worldwide.

Hahahaha....Interesting Logic.... "Whatever"......"By Giving Knight odds vs a Machine You already Lost" Especially given the ratings Inflation.. these GM's have their presumed strength at 2900+ also....go figure.....

https://2700chess.com/

1 Carlsen 2863.0 0.0 2881.0 2887.0 29
2 Caruana 2835.0 0.0 2773.0 2711.0 27
3 Ding Liren 2791.0 0.0 2836.0 2788.0 27
4 Nepomniachtchi 2784.0 0.0 2778.0 2785.0 29
5 Vachier-Lagrave 2778.0 0.0 2860.0 2822.0 29
6 Grischuk 2777.0 0.0 2784.0 2765.0 36
7 Aronian 2773.0 0.0 2778.0 2740.0 37
8 So 2770.0 0.0 2741.0 2816.0 26


http://chessowl.blogspot.com/

1 Stockfish 11.0 x64 3682 100 87.50 17.00 Romstad, Costalba, Kiiski, Linscott
2 Houdini 6.02 x64 3507 100 72.00 44.00 Robert Houdart
3 Komodo 13.2.5 x64 3481 100 69.00 40.00 Dailey, Kaufman, Lefler
4 Ethereal 12.0 x64 3438 100 63.50 43.00 Andrew Grant
5 Fire 7.1 x64 3387 100 56.50 55.00 Norman Schmidt

Your Logic is irrelevant and it does NOT makes sense, how can you compare computer ratings obtain via computer vs computer matches to Human FIDE rating But what you do NOT realize is that even an engine as strong as Komodo 13.3 lets say rated over 3481 depending on what system you are using, when you give an odds lets say a knight odds to a GM like Lenderman FIDE rated around 2656+ who will be matched next Monday at 15" + 10" Rapid FIDE time control against Komodo, you will see that Komodo is no match for a GM rated over 2600+ and if Carlsen next day lets say accept to play versus Komodo even with Larry Kaufman 32 cores Super system only on fast time like FiDE Rapid 15'+10" the computer can probably draw by giving Carlsen One or two Pawns odds, but with longer time control the human GM advantage over the computer becomes more noticeable, therefore, Carlsen or the Correspondence chess Champion 49-year old engineer Leonardo Ljubicic which I do NOT believe that any computer can beat him in Correspondence playing with even material 32 chess pieces both. So Please, please do NOT compare Computer ratings ever again to Human FIDE ratings, because the time control has a lot to do with it.

[Chessqueen]

The Female World champion GM Ju Wenjun is NOT afraid to play Versus engines as you can see here, I wonder what was the Robot chess engine rating and if she is willing to accept an Odds match against Komodo for the right price? Also what would be the Odds that Komodo on 32 cores can give the Champion in 15' + 10" Rapid Blitz. We know that Carlsen will never play versus an engine he is too proud to lose, but the Female World Champion does not seems to mind playing in public and possibly online if the offer is the right prize. If GM Lenderman beat Komodo by a wide Margin the next challenger who is NOT afraid it seems here could bring a lot of promotion to KOMODO Worldwide.

Hahahaha....Interesting Logic.... "Whatever"......"By Giving Knight odds vs a Machine You already Lost" Especially given the ratings Inflation.. these GM's have their presumed strength at 2900+ also....go figure.....

https://2700chess.com/

1 Carlsen 2863.0 0.0 2881.0 2887.0 29
2 Caruana 2835.0 0.0 2773.0 2711.0 27
3 Ding Liren 2791.0 0.0 2836.0 2788.0 27
4 Nepomniachtchi 2784.0 0.0 2778.0 2785.0 29
5 Vachier-Lagrave 2778.0 0.0 2860.0 2822.0 29
6 Grischuk 2777.0 0.0 2784.0 2765.0 36
7 Aronian 2773.0 0.0 2778.0 2740.0 37
8 So 2770.0 0.0 2741.0 2816.0 26


http://chessowl.blogspot.com/

1 Stockfish 11.0 x64 3682 100 87.50 17.00 Romstad, Costalba, Kiiski, Linscott
2 Houdini 6.02 x64 3507 100 72.00 44.00 Robert Houdart
3 Komodo 13.2.5 x64 3481 100 69.00 40.00 Dailey, Kaufman, Lefler
4 Ethereal 12.0 x64 3438 100 63.50 43.00 Andrew Grant
5 Fire 7.1 x64 3387 100 56.50 55.00 Norman Schmidt

Your Logic is irrelevant and it does NOT makes sense, how can you compare computer ratings obtain via computer vs computer matches to Human FIDE rating But what you do NOT realize is that even an engine as strong as Komodo 13.3 lets say rated over 3481 depending on what system you are using, when you give an odds lets say a knight odds to a GM like Lenderman FIDE rated around 2656+ who will be matched next Monday at 15" + 10" Rapid FIDE time control against Komodo, you will see that Komodo is no match for a GM rated over 2600+ and if Carlsen next day lets say accept to play versus Komodo even with Larry Kaufman 32 cores Super system only on fast time like FiDE Rapid 15'+10" the computer can probably draw by giving Carlsen One or two Pawns odds, but with longer time control the human GM advantage over the computer becomes more noticeable, therefore, Carlsen or the Correspondence chess Champion 49-year old engineer Leonardo Ljubicic which I do NOT believe that any computer can beat him in Correspondence playing with even material 32 chess pieces both. So Please, please do NOT compare Computer ratings ever again to Human FIDE ratings, because the time control has a lot to do with it.

I Know that GM Kramnik lost to Deep Fritz long time ago over 14 years on very slow System probably compare to a 8 cores 3.3 Ghz, but it all depends on the time control if the match was to make a move every 30 minutes per move, even if it takes 2 or 3 days per games Kramnik would have beaten Deep Fritz and not Blunder like he did. That is why the Correspondence Chess Champion can NOT beat GM Carlsen or GM Ding Liren in standard chess time control, But I would put my money on the correspondence World Chess Champion over any computer even Leela
https://en.chessbase.com/post/kramnik-v ... tch-by-4-2

Compare this, his rating is only around 2080 in Standard chess very low https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=14503158

But in Correspondence he is better than any engine https://en.chessbase.com/post/better-th ... ubicic-1-2

[lkaufman]

The Female World champion GM Ju Wenjun is NOT afraid to play Versus engines as you can see here, I wonder what was the Robot chess engine rating and if she is willing to accept an Odds match against Komodo for the right price? Also what would be the Odds that Komodo on 32 cores can give the Champion in 15' + 10" Rapid Blitz. We know that Carlsen will never play versus an engine he is too proud to lose, but the Female World Champion does not seems to mind playing in public and possibly online if the offer is the right prize. If GM Lenderman beat Komodo by a wide Margin the next challenger who is NOT afraid it seems here could bring a lot of promotion to KOMODO Worldwide.

Hahahaha....Interesting Logic.... "Whatever"......"By Giving Knight odds vs a Machine You already Lost" Especially given the ratings Inflation.. these GM's have their presumed strength at 2900+ also....go figure.....

https://2700chess.com/

1 Carlsen 2863.0 0.0 2881.0 2887.0 29
2 Caruana 2835.0 0.0 2773.0 2711.0 27
3 Ding Liren 2791.0 0.0 2836.0 2788.0 27
4 Nepomniachtchi 2784.0 0.0 2778.0 2785.0 29
5 Vachier-Lagrave 2778.0 0.0 2860.0 2822.0 29
6 Grischuk 2777.0 0.0 2784.0 2765.0 36
7 Aronian 2773.0 0.0 2778.0 2740.0 37
8 So 2770.0 0.0 2741.0 2816.0 26


http://chessowl.blogspot.com/

1 Stockfish 11.0 x64 3682 100 87.50 17.00 Romstad, Costalba, Kiiski, Linscott
2 Houdini 6.02 x64 3507 100 72.00 44.00 Robert Houdart
3 Komodo 13.2.5 x64 3481 100 69.00 40.00 Dailey, Kaufman, Lefler
4 Ethereal 12.0 x64 3438 100 63.50 43.00 Andrew Grant
5 Fire 7.1 x64 3387 100 56.50 55.00 Norman Schmidt

Your Logic is irrelevant and it does NOT makes sense, how can you compare computer ratings obtain via computer vs computer matches to Human FIDE rating But what you do NOT realize is that even an engine as strong as Komodo 13.3 lets say rated over 3481 depending on what system you are using, when you give an odds lets say a knight odds to a GM like Lenderman FIDE rated around 2656+ who will be matched next Monday at 15" + 10" Rapid FIDE time control against Komodo, you will see that Komodo is no match for a GM rated over 2600+ and if Carlsen next day lets say accept to play versus Komodo even with Larry Kaufman 32 cores Super system only on fast time like FiDE Rapid 15'+10" the computer can probably draw by giving Carlsen One or two Pawns odds, but with longer time control the human GM advantage over the computer becomes more noticeable, therefore, Carlsen or the Correspondence chess Champion 49-year old engineer Leonardo Ljubicic which I do NOT believe that any computer can beat him in Correspondence playing with even material 32 chess pieces both. So Please, please do NOT compare Computer ratings ever again to Human FIDE ratings, because the time control has a lot to do with it.

I Know that GM Kramnik lost to Deep Fritz long time ago over 14 years on very slow System probably compare to a 8 cores 3.3 Ghz, but it all depends on the time control if the match was to make a move every 30 minutes per move, even if it takes 2 or 3 days per games Kramnik would have beaten Deep Fritz and not Blunder like he did. That is why the Correspondence Chess Champion can NOT beat GM Carlsen or GM Ding Liren in standard chess time control, But I would put my money on the correspondence World Chess Champion over any computer even Leela
https://en.chessbase.com/post/kramnik-v ... tch-by-4-2

Compare this, his rating is only around 2080 in Standard chess very low https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=14503158

But in Correspondence he is better than any engine https://en.chessbase.com/post/better-th ... ubicic-1-2

Some comments:
1. Engine ratings from the CCRL 40/15 list (not the above one) are quite comparable with human FIDE Rapid ratings, if you add 200 - 300 to the "Engine" rating. In other words, even an engine rated 2600 on that list, running on an i7, would have good chances in a Rapid (15' + 10") match with Carlsen. At standard FIDE time controls those ratings are probably fairly realistic in general without adding anything. But the right handicap can offset a thousand elo or more.
2. It's silly to talk about Correspondence players being better than any engine, because they all use engines in their correspondence games! Of course a strong Correspondence player plus a top engine will score heavily (maybe 65% or so I would guess) against the same engine unassisted. But if the human can't use an engine, then even if the time limit is one week per move, he will lose badly to a top engine, but not nearly as badly as the ratings suggest. Probably Carlsen at that time limit would get a lot of draws when he has White vs. an engine.
3. I think Ju Wenjun didn't mind playing a robot because it was entertaining and novel, and because everyone knows engines can beat any human even, so she had nothing to lose. Of course playing her would get more publicity than playing Lenderman, but Lenderman is actually higher rated so it wouldn't actually prove anything new, it would just be for publicity and probably she would ask much more than we would offer. Basically we're willing to play any titled player at an appropriate handicap, but our budget for this is rather limited so it just comes down to who wants to play for a reasonable hourly cost, relative to the player's standing in the chess world. I expect a competitive match with Lenderman; I suppose we'll lose the FRC segment and maybe also the Black nocastle knight odds segment, but I'm hoping we will win or draw the knight for pawn half of the match.

[Uri Blass]

I doubt if a strong correspondence player+top engine can score heavily against the same engine unassisted.

Maybe it was the case some years ago but after engines became stronger I doubt if today humans can find a way to beat top engines at correspondence time control in 30% of the cases(what you need to get 65%)

I am sure strong correspondence player can avoid losing but I am not sure if they can do more than it against unassisted stockfish or lc0 with no opening book.

It may be interesting to see what is the percentage of draws between lc0 and stockfish at time control of one hour per move when both use no book and a good hardware like hardware in the last TCEC final(stockfish with many cores is not deterministic so the games are not going to be the same).

Maybe I am wrong but I guess we will get at least 90 draws out of 100 games.

[lkaufman]

I doubt if a strong correspondence player+top engine can score heavily against the same engine unassisted.

Maybe it was the case some years ago but after engines became stronger I doubt if today humans can find a way to beat top engines at correspondence time control in 30% of the cases(what you need to get 65%)

I am sure strong correspondence player can avoid losing but I am not sure if they can do more than it against unassisted stockfish or lc0 with no opening book.

It may be interesting to see what is the percentage of draws between lc0 and stockfish at time control of one hour per move when both use no book and a good hardware like hardware in the last TCEC final(stockfish with many cores is not deterministic so the games are not going to be the same).

Maybe I am wrong but I guess we will get at least 90 draws out of 100 games.

I suppose that to a great extent the result of a match between a top engine and a correspondence player using that engine depends on whether the engine has an opening book and if so how good it is. Maybe my 65% figure is realistic only if no opening book (or a minimal or bad one).