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Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
This was last November that GM Nakamura barely held two draw at TC 15 minutes, I do not believe that Stockfish can draw versus Nakamura at TC 15. Anyway, it might take at least another two versions of Komodo Dragon 4 to Draw against GM Nakamura at TC 30'+10" ==>
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:36 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.
That would be an interesting match, if Nakamura can agree to at least 4 or 5 games at TC 30'+10" and draw counting as a Win for Dragon 2.
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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Chessqueen wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:41 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:36 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.
That would be an interesting match, if Nakamura can agree to at least 4 or 5 games at TC 30'+10" and draw counting as a Win for Dragon 2.
I wouldn't ask for or expect draw odds with two pawn handicap. With knight odds we needed draw odds (so far) to be competitive with a GM, but two pawns is a much smaller handicap.
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:58 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:41 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:36 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.

I still believe that Komodo Dragon2 is NOT ready for GM Nakamura at 30'+10" with 2 Pawns Odds, and in this case I would be like Saint Thomas I would have to see it to believe it. :roll:

Note: This match at TC 15 minutes was not easy for Komodo dragon1, and with more time I put my money on GM Nakamura or MVL.
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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Chessqueen wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:39 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:58 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:41 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:36 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.

I still believe that Komodo Dragon2 is NOT ready for GM Nakamura at 30'+10" with 2 Pawns Odds, and in this case I would be like Saint Thomas I would have to see it to believe it. :roll:

Note: This match at TC 15 minutes was not easy for Komodo dragon1, and with more time I put my money on GM Nakamura or MVL.
Why would you describe a 6.5 to 1.5 match victory as "not easy"? Any human gm match with such a score would be considered a massacre. If you really want to wager several thousand dollars on such a match, perhaps it could be arranged, but Nakamura might want too big a share of the bet to make it worthwhile, or he might just not be interested at all.
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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lkaufman wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:34 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:39 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:58 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:41 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:36 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.

I still believe that Komodo Dragon2 is NOT ready for GM Nakamura at 30'+10" with 2 Pawns Odds, and in this case I would be like Saint Thomas I would have to see it to believe it. :roll:

Note: This match at TC 15 minutes was not easy for Komodo dragon1, and with more time I put my money on GM Nakamura or MVL.
Why would you describe a 6.5 to 1.5 match victory as "not easy"? Any human gm match with such a score would be considered a massacre. If you really want to wager several thousand dollars on such a match, perhaps it could be arranged, but Nakamura might want too big a share of the bet to make it worthwhile, or he might just not be interested at all.
When I see this match GM Nakamura vs Komodo Dragon on this video I only see 2 draws at TC15 with 2 pawns odds , I do not see 8 games with a final score of 6.5 to 1.5, therefore going back to a possible challenge against either Nakamura or MVL at TC 30'+10" I still see it very difficult for Komodo to come ahead giving twice the time control as you see here on this video ==>
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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Chessqueen wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:02 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:34 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:39 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:58 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:41 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:36 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.

I still believe that Komodo Dragon2 is NOT ready for GM Nakamura at 30'+10" with 2 Pawns Odds, and in this case I would be like Saint Thomas I would have to see it to believe it. :roll:

Note: This match at TC 15 minutes was not easy for Komodo dragon1, and with more time I put my money on GM Nakamura or MVL.
Why would you describe a 6.5 to 1.5 match victory as "not easy"? Any human gm match with such a score would be considered a massacre. If you really want to wager several thousand dollars on such a match, perhaps it could be arranged, but Nakamura might want too big a share of the bet to make it worthwhile, or he might just not be interested at all.
When I see this match GM Nakamura vs Komodo Dragon on this video I only see 2 draws at TC15 with 2 pawns odds , I do not see 8 games with a final score of 6.5 to 1.5, therefore going back to a possible challenge against either Nakamura or MVL at TC 30'+10" I still see it very difficult for Komodo to come ahead giving twice the time control as you see here on this video ==>
Nakamura drew three and lost five. He picked two of his three draws to make the video. I don't blame him, he's not making videos to make himself look bad by showing the five losses. Even if you get crushed in a match, if you pick your two best games out of eight to show, you can make it look close!
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Re: Can Komodo give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10"

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lkaufman wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:18 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:02 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:34 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 7:39 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:58 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:41 pm
lkaufman wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:36 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:21 pm Can Komodo Dragon2 give Nakamura the c2 and f2 pawn at TC 30'+10" ?
Since Dragon 1 beat Naka by 6.5 to 1.5 giving two "big" pawns (b2 or c2 plus f2 or g2), and since dragon 2 is a bit stronger plus we have learned some things about how to optimize it for handicap play, and since 30' + 10" is only 60% more time than 15' + 10" (assuming 60 moves), I would bet on Dragon 2 to win such a match, although it should be close. I don't think the exact choice of the pawns matters much (among these four options), they are are roughly equal handicaps. Nakamura would of course have better chances if he kept his commentary to a minimum to focus more on the games.

I still believe that Komodo Dragon2 is NOT ready for GM Nakamura at 30'+10" with 2 Pawns Odds, and in this case I would be like Saint Thomas I would have to see it to believe it. :roll:

Note: This match at TC 15 minutes was not easy for Komodo dragon1, and with more time I put my money on GM Nakamura or MVL.
Why would you describe a 6.5 to 1.5 match victory as "not easy"? Any human gm match with such a score would be considered a massacre. If you really want to wager several thousand dollars on such a match, perhaps it could be arranged, but Nakamura might want too big a share of the bet to make it worthwhile, or he might just not be interested at all.
When I see this match GM Nakamura vs Komodo Dragon on this video I only see 2 draws at TC15 with 2 pawns odds , I do not see 8 games with a final score of 6.5 to 1.5, therefore going back to a possible challenge against either Nakamura or MVL at TC 30'+10" I still see it very difficult for Komodo to come ahead giving twice the time control as you see here on this video ==>
Nakamura drew three and lost five. He picked two of his three draws to make the video. I don't blame him, he's not making videos to make himself look bad by showing the five losses. Even if you get crushed in a match, if you pick your two best games out of eight to show, you can make it look close!
I spoke with Dominguez Perez on Facebook and he would be interested to played against Komodo Dragon2 at TC 30'+10'' with 2 pawn Odds, if the price is right.