What is the maximal number of nodes per second that you can beat stockfish with queen handicap?

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What is the maximal number of nodes per second that you can beat stockfish with queen handicap?

Post by Uri Blass »

Here is a try with 5M nodes per move after I proved it is possible with 1M nodes per move

Stockfish is blind and cannot find 23.Rh7 in a reasonable time.
Unfortunately for Wasp this move does not win.

[pgn][Event "Chess Tournament3"]
[Date "2021.09.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Wasp 4.50"]
[Black "Stockfish 260921"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "nodes: 10000"]
[Time "22:10:30"]
[Board "18"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]

1. Nc3 {End of opening} e6 {-12.69/24 2783 5001347} 2. Nf3 {-11.55/18 3083 4985005} Nc6 {-12.53/22 2350 5001277}
3. d4 {-11.43/20 3162 5140005} Nb4 {-12.39/21 2370 5000833} 4. Kd1 {-11.65/19 2819 4820003} g6 {-12.61/24 2333 5001102}
5. e4 {-11.19/19 2980 4925004} Bg7 {-12.53/24 2463 5000697} 6. Be3 {-10.72/16 3083 5195003} Ne7 {-12.53/23 2384 5000709}
7. a3 {-11.02/18 2871 4945004} Nbc6 {-12.53/25 2371 5000235} 8. h4 {-11.17/18 2925 5055001} h5 {-12.50/23 2376 5001195}
9. Rc1 {-11.28/18 2898 4960005} O-O {-12.69/21 2376 5000221} 10. Bd3 {-11.37/19 2937 4970008} d5 {-12.61/23 2413 5000942}
11. e5 {-11.64/20 2968 5035004} Nb8 {-12.69/27 2337 5000717} 12. b4 {-11.26/18 3200 5040007} Nd7 {-12.76/27 2295 5000648}
13. Bg5 {-11.50/17 2841 4825005} Re8 {-12.76/25 2243 5000647} 14. Rg1 {-11.25/18 2886 5000005} c6 {-12.69/23 2361 5000261}
15. g4 {-11.21/21 3113 5170003} hxg4 {-12.38/19 2368 5000605} 16. Rxg4 {-11.29/21 2974 4980004} Nb6 {-12.12/18 2436 5000506}
17. h5 {-9.53/18 2801 4815002} gxh5 {-11.48/20 2442 5000841} 18. Rg2 {-8.92/21 2726 4825003} Kh8 {-11.11/20 2461 5001132}
19. Ke2 {-7.95/22 2749 4900003} Qd7 {-8.66/21 2841 5000629} 20. Rh1 {-5.71/20 2914 5155006} Ng6 {-9.84/24 2490 5000127}
21. Rxh5+ {-5.48/22 2784 5195003} Kg8 {-9.53/26 2476 5000453} 22. Rgh2 {-6.38/21 2687 5060003} c5 {-9.09/17 2807 5000775}
23. Rh7 {-2.19/19 2694 4925002} Qe7 {-2.09/25 4000 5001099} 24. Bxe7 {-2.40/20 2577 4945009} Rxe7 {-2.01/27 3991 5000656}
25. dxc5 {-2.01/21 2651 5015006} Nd7 {-3.70/26 3939 5001487} 26. Bxg6 {-2.43/20 2543 5060004} fxg6 {-3.60/26 3822 5001007}
27. Nb5 {-2.34/22 2619 5120007} g5 {-4.16/24 3836 5001168} 28. Nxg5 {-2.90/18 2636 4985004} Nxe5 {-4.20/24 3582 5000145}
29. Nd6 {-2.99/18 2749 5100004} b6 {-4.31/22 3610 5000376} 30. Kd1 {-3.23/18 2648 4965001} bxc5 {-4.73/23 3656 5000647}
31. bxc5 {-3.37/18 2559 4810003} Rb8 {-5.22/25 3682 5000869} 32. R2h4 {-3.66/18 2744 4965003} Bd7 {-5.62/21 4435 5000742}
33. R7h5 {-3.78/17 2661 4860004} Be8 {-5.71/23 3665 5001695} 34. Nxe8 {-3.86/19 2543 4815006} Rbxe8 {-5.85/24 3319 5001451}
35. Rb4 {-3.86/19 2786 5170001} Nd7 {-6.09/23 3446 5000087} 36. Rb5 {-3.33/20 2601 5065004} Ne5 {-5.32/22 3192 5000251}
37. Nh3 {-3.55/17 2602 4880002} Rc8 {-5.87/22 3318 5000616} 38. Rg5 {-3.99/16 2623 5075003} Kf7 {-6.37/22 3534 5000062}
39. Rg1 {-4.13/18 2574 4940003} Bf6 {-6.58/23 3365 5000720} 40. Nf4 {-4.75/19 2574 5045001} Rh8 {-6.84/23 3011 5001667}
41. Nd3 {-4.81/18 2608 5000001} Nf3 {-6.38/23 3560 5001032} 42. Rf1 {-4.90/21 2845 5200002} Nd4 {-6.53/23 3554 5001339}
43. Ra5 {-4.38/20 2749 5145003} Rb7 {-6.39/25 3612 5000539} 44. Nb4 {-4.37/20 2730 5190005} Nb5 {-6.54/22 3449 5000378}
45. c6 {-4.64/18 2617 5005004} Nc3+ {-6.63/24 3239 5000683} 46. Kc1 {-4.89/20 2963 5175007} Rc7 {-6.76/26 3602 5000525}
47. f3 {-5.05/19 2678 5075004} Ne2+ {-6.92/25 3318 5001426} 48. Kb1 {-5.36/22 2561 5000002} Bd4 {-6.84/25 3258 5002127}
49. Ra6 {-5.13/20 2626 5170005} Nc3+ {-7.32/24 3248 5000209} 50. Kc1 {-5.16/21 2572 4985004} Ke7 {-7.10/23 3269 5000113}
51. Kb2 {-5.79/20 2563 5045004} Kd6 {-7.32/26 3103 5001191} 52. Kc1 {-6.22/19 2454 4955004} Ne2+ {-7.38/22 3423 5001778}
53. Kb1 {-6.47/21 2502 5120005} Rf8 {-7.42/24 3296 5000801} 54. f4 {-6.58/20 2480 4955005} Rxf4 {-7.25/22 3100 5000801}
55. Re1 {-7.60/20 2353 4805002} Nc3+ {-7.83/20 3143 5000751} 56. Kb2 {-7.71/22 2572 5190004} Ne4+ {-7.82/23 2995 5000110}
57. Ka2 {-7.90/22 2611 5170005} Rf2 {-7.91/24 2977 5000050} 58. Rc1 {-8.19/21 2763 5095005} Bc3 {-8.12/23 3571 5001023}
59. Nd3 {-7.96/20 2464 5090003} Rh2 {-8.01/24 3185 5000910} 60. a4 {-8.51/20 2343 4845002} Bd4 {-8.62/21 3090 5000859}
61. Ka3 {-8.73/19 2359 4865004} Rh3 {-9.10/23 2840 5000702} 62. Ka2 {-9.72/21 2351 4870004} Nc3+ {-9.45/23 2768 5000540}
63. Ka3 {-11.56/22 2374 4895001} e5 {-9.84/22 2695 5000907} 64. Rf1 {-12.58/20 2358 5075004} e4 {-10.23/24 2645 5001244}
65. Nf4 {-14.03/21 2324 5030006} Re3 {-10.70/21 2591 5000686} 66. Rh1 {-13.00/18 2272 4820005} Ne2+ {-12.14/20 2463 5000732}
67. Ka2 {-14.51/20 2392 5070006} Nxf4 {-13.08/19 2487 5001426} 68. Rh4 {-16.16/19 2289 4980003} Ne2 {-17.88/18 2095 5000345}
69. Rh1 {-19.06/18 2366 5125004} Kc5 {M+12/29 2180 5000805} 70. c3 {-22.31/18 2078 4810003} Kc4 {M+8/52 3006 5000714}
71. Rh2 {-43.07/15 2305 4900001} Rh7 {M+7/58 2573 5000182} 72. Rf2 {M-7/13 161 307443} Nxc3+ {M+6/69 2308 5000728}
73. Kb2 {M-6/11 11 7459} Re1 {M+5/86 1472 5000596} 74. Rd2 {M-5/9 11 9947} Nb5+ {M+4/229 1185 5000069}
75. Rxd4+ {M-4/7 11 548} Nxd4 {M+3/245 107 14452} 76. Ka2 {M-3/5 10 345} Rh2+ {M+2/245 164 14131}
77. Ka3 {M-2/3 10 8} Ra1# {M+1/245 187 8581} 0-1
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Re: What is the maximal number of nodes per second that you can beat stockfish with queen handicap?

Post by Uri Blass »

correction of this game to beat stockfish with 5M nodes per move
[Event "banksia game"]
[Date "2021.10.01"]
[White "hm::Human"]
[Black "Stockfish 260921"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "40/14400+0;nodes: 5000000"]
[Time "04:40:30"]
[Termination "mate"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]

1. Nc3 e6 {-12.69/24 3041 5001347} 2. Nf3 Nc6 {-12.53/22 3043 5001277}
3. d4 Nb4 {-12.39/21 3131 5000833} 4. Kd1 g6 {-12.61/24 3092 5001102}
5. e4 Bg7 {-12.53/24 3183 5000697} 6. Be3 Ne7 {-12.53/23 3071 5000709}
7. a3 Nbc6 {-12.53/25 3196 5000235} 8. h4 h5 {-12.50/23 3137 5001195}
9. Rc1 O-O {-12.69/21 3120 5000221} 10. Bd3 d5 {-12.61/23 3218 5000942}
11. e5 Nb8 {-12.69/27 2995 5000717} 12. b4 Nd7 {-12.76/27 3066 5000648}
13. Bg5 Re8 {-12.76/25 2896 5000647} 14. Rg1 c6 {-12.69/23 2999 5000261}
15. g4 hxg4 {-12.38/19 3080 5000605} 16. Rxg4 Nb6 {-12.12/18 3261 5000506}
17. h5 gxh5 {-11.48/20 3221 5000841} 18. Rg2 Kh8 {-11.11/20 3325 5001132}
19. Ke2 Qd7 {-8.66/21 3922 5000629} 20. Rh1 Ng6 {-9.84/24 3226 5000127}
21. Rxh5+ Kg8 {-9.53/26 3198 5000453} 22. Nh4 a5 {-5.52/17 4752 5001101}
23. Nxg6 fxg6 {-4.49/22 4933 5000082} 24. Bxg6 Re7 {-4.35/22 4982 5000243}
25. Rg3 axb4 {-4.29/23 4462 5001438} 26. axb4 Ra3 {-5.31/24 4444 5001217}
27. Bf6 Na4 {-5.88/24 3868 5000907} 28. Rgh3 Nxc3+ {M-13/43 3510 5000534}
29. Kf1 Bxf6 {M-12/65 2979 5000578} 30. exf6 Ra1+ {M-11/71 2825 5001093}
31. Kg2 Rg1+ {M-10/64 2873 5000746} 32. Kxg1 Ne2+ {M-9/70 2780 5001049}
33. Kh1 Rh7 {M-8/77 2638 5000859} 34. Rxh7 Qxh7 {M-7/92 2234 5000568}
35. Rxh7 Nf4 {M-6/116 1851 5000844} 36. f7+ Kf8 {M-5/219 1966 5000106}
37. Rh8+ Kg7 {M-4/245 147 508183} 38. f8=Q+ Kxg6 {M-3/245 17 19333}
39. Rg8+ Kh5 {M-2/245 17 8595} 40. Qxf4 c5 {M-1/245 12 1498}
41. Qh2# 1-0
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Re: What is the maximal number of nodes per second that you can beat stockfish with queen handicap?

Post by Uri Blass »

Note that it is not easy to beat stockfish 5M nodes per move with no handicap and I will try different determintic engines to try with white to see how many nodes you need when I start with 50M nodes per move.

I write about it in the prodeo forum because I often get forbidden error here.