Retro chess Chessmaster

[Wilhelm]

Hello Chessmaster fans! I hope there are any
I made a new site about Chessmaster after my old dissapeard some time ago with the old hoster.
http://descent.at/files/index.html
I hope you find some interesting.

cheers William

[Rubinus]

There's not much there yet. Although the new personalities might be interesting. If I search the old CDs, I might find 5000, 5500, 6000. If the drive will load it...
They're old programs, but it wouldn't be quite right to put them as abandonware somewhere for download, would it?
Chessmaster's weakness, though, is that the books are too short. That's when I usually find that a given setting plays the same thing over and over, which annoys me. And the Sicilian, for example, where the engine runs out of book after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cd4 4.Nxd4 and the engine takes Nxd4 by its own power is also not the best, it's already a position on the edge of winning.

[towforce]

Among the good things I remember about Chessmaster (please correct me if I'm wrong):

* of of the first to have a chess tutorial: available everywhere now - but wasn't at the time. I even remember that the tutorial ran too quickly on my computer because it seemed to be using the general computer clock, not a clock based on seconds and minutes

* among the first to have really good looking boards

[Graham Banks]

Very nice, Wilhelm.

Cock de Gorter used to be the biggest Chessmaster fan, and ran games and rating lists right up until when he died a few years ago.

[JVMerlino]

If you want to know anything about Chessmaster, I'm your person. However, I had never heard about the "tutorial running too fast" issue, particularly since they use audio so I can't see how that's possible.

Several other sites have various versions of CM available for download, and Ubisoft clearly has "abandoned" the franchise. So I don't think anybody will complain.

The CM series definitely had some unavoidable weaknesses, one of them being the books, which were just thrown together based on stats from various PGN files of GM games that we had. Another was the database, which used the TASC software and, due to the way it used memory, could only have about 500K games in a DB.

A lot of people also complained about the copy protection on the discs that Ubisoft forced us to use. But we (the development team) couldn't do anything about that.

[Wilhelm]

Very nice, Wilhelm.

Cock de Gorter used to be the biggest Chessmaster fan, and ran games and rating lists right up until when he died a few years ago.

Thanks Graham
Oh yeah, Cock was and is unbeatable. One new setting per month?
Sadly he passed away in the time where I was not active and when I come back he was one of the first adresses where I want to look what is new. I was realy shocked as I read he is never by us.
Do you know what his last best setting are?

cheers Wilhelm

[Graham Banks]

Very nice, Wilhelm.

Cock de Gorter used to be the biggest Chessmaster fan, and ran games and rating lists right up until when he died a few years ago.

Thanks Graham
Oh yeah, Cock was and is unbeatable. One new setting per month?
Sadly he passed away in the time where I was not active and when I come back he was one of the first adresses where I want to look what is new. I was realy shocked as I read he is never by us.
Do you know what his last best setting are?

cheers Wilhelm

I'll take a look.

[Graham Banks]

I have found the following from Cock:

Hi Graham,

The best 5 CM XI settings according to my list playing.

Everytime I expect a disastrous result for Isildur II or 8777. Till now it did not happen. Both played more than 230 games and have a big lead on the others.
8777 is almost a copy of the very old CM 8777 setting.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2
1 Chiron 3 64bit 3037 +129 * 1 0 1 ½ 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 9.5/11
2 CM XI 64 bit Isildur II 2879 +77 0 * 1 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 7.0/11
3 Deep Shredder 11 2841 +86 1 0 * 0 0 ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 6.5/11 31.50
4 Deep Onno 1-2-70 x64 2839 +88 0 0 1 * 1 0 ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 6.5/11 29.75
5 Deep Sjeng WC2008 x64 2840 +54 ½ ½ 1 0 * ½ 0 1 1 ½ 0 1 6.0/11 31.00
6 CM XI 64 bit 8777 2848 +46 0 ½ ½ 1 ½ * ½ ½ 0 1 ½ 1 6.0/11 28.50
7 Octochess 7482 2841 +53 0 0 ½ ½ 1 ½ * ½ 1 0 1 1 6.0/11 28.00
8 CM XI 64 bit Winnetou 2846 -14 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ * 1 1 ½ ½ 5.0/11 23.75
9 CM XI 64 bit Innovation 2846 -14 0 ½ ½ 0 0 1 0 0 * 1 1 1 5.0/11 21.25
10 DisasterArea-1.54w64 2838 -106 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ 0 1 0 0 * ½ ½ 3.5/11 18.25
11 CM XI 64 bit Celeborn III 2839 -108 0 0 0 0 1 ½ 0 ½ 0 ½ * 1 3.5/11 14.75
12 EXchess_v7.18b_win64 2842 -299 0 ½ 0 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ 0 * 1.5/11

kind regards
Cock

626 CmC Isildur II 2636 213
628 CM10K GL 2631 210
635 CM10K R10 2628 229
636 CM10K Medusa 2628 213
637 CM9000 R2 2626 223
645 CmC Hawk II 2621 214
646 CM10K Aiglos 2621 201
647 CM10K Salamander 2620 208
650 CM9000 Cyborg 2616 210
651 CM9000 Mapi 2616 209
653 CM10K Undertaker II 2616 201
654 CM10K Praetorian I 2615 203
657 CM9000 SKR 2613 201
658 CM10K Milan 2.4 2612 210
659 CM9000 R1 2612 203
661 CM10K Pestilence 2611 211
662 CM10K Yoda 2.5 2611 204
664 CM10K Iron Tower 2610 210
665 CM9000 Gil-Galad III 2609 211
667 CM10K Magic II 2608 203
668 CM10K Striker 2607 211
669 CM10000_SK_M4 2607 210
675 CM10K Magic 2604 222
676 CM9000 Relentless 2604 210
677 CM9000 Gladiator 2604 209
678 CM9000 AntiCM 2603 210
679 CM9000 Dutchie 2 2602 209
680 CM10K Speedy 2602 208
683 CM9000 Tancredi 2601 210
684 CM10K Barutti 1.01a 2601 203
687 CM9000 Pillen 2600 200
688 CM10K Paralyse 2599 204
690 CM10K Darth Vader 2598 206
691 CM10K Merit 2598 205
695 CM10K So Far 2 2595 209
696 CM10K Imperator 2595 200
697 CM10K Praetorian II 2594 204
699 CM10K Emperor II 2593 213
700 CM8000 Sonnabend 2593 213
701 CM9000 Hero 2593 205
702 CM10K Schumacher 2593 201
703 CM10K Solomon 2592 212
704 CM8000 Ming 2592 210
705 CmX S9 Killer 2592 203
707 CM9000 Tom 2591 213
708 CM9000 Surak 7 2591 210
709 CM9000 T05 2591 202
710 CM10K Lazarus 2590 211
712 The King 3.23 2590 206
713 CM10K So Far 3 2590 204
714 CM10000_SK074.1 2590 201
715 CM10K Striker 2 2589 211

716 CM10K Warrior 2589 206
718 CM9000 Wizard 2589 201
720 CmX Ursus 2588 208
721 CM10K JKBeta1 2588 206
722 CM10K Salamander 3 2588 205
723 CM9000 Surak8c 2587 206
725 CM10K Perseus 2587 204
726 CM10K Clown 1.01 2587 201
728 CM9000 Milan 2 2586 214
729 CM10K R130 2586 203
730 CM10K Cirdan 2586 201
732 CM10K Guardian 2585 204
733 CmX Jabba the Hutt 2584 210
734 CM10K Yoda 2.7 2584 210
735 CM9000 Galadriel 2584 205
736 The King 3.33 2584 204
737 CM9000 Enforcer 2584 201
738 CM9000 BUC-Blitz 2583 214
739 CM9000 Assassin 2583 213
740 CM8000 Victor 2583 210
741 CM9000 Modified 2583 210
742 CM10K Milan 2.3a 2583 209
743 CM10K Ariodante 2583 206
744 CM9000 Metallicus 2583 204
745 CM9000 Apex 2583 203
746 CM10K Behemoth 2583 202
747 CM9000 Slayer2 Blitz 2582 212
748 CmC Scotty 2582 210
749 CM10K Descent 2582 210
750 CM10K C3PO 2582 205
751 CM10K Berean 5.54 2582 204
752 CM9000 Batatas Chisel III 2582 204
753 CM8000 Kiwi2 2582 202
754 CM10K Aiglos II 2581 202
755 CM9000 Galileo 2581 201
756 CM8889 2580 211
757 CM10K R2D2 II 2580 210
759 CM9000 Blasphemy 2579 215
760 CM10K D2 Alos 2579 206
761 CM9000 Gambit Hero 2579 204
763 CM10K Megalith 2578 206
764 CM10K Tsunami 2578 204
766 CM10K Ogre 2577 215
768 CM10K Thorondor II 2576 213
769 CM9000 Attakiewicz 2576 204
770 CM9000 Sedat 2575 211
771 CM9000 M2v.5 2575 201
773 CmC Gwaihir 2574 205
774 CM8000 Surak3 2573 210
775 CM9000 Prueba 2573 205
776 CM10K Milan 1.4 2573 204
777 CM10K Milan 2.6 2573 204

778 CM10K D1Pyr 2573 204
779 CM9000 Cronus 2573 204
780 CM10K Golden Eagle 2573 201
782 CM9000 Judge II 2572 210
784 CM9000 TUNER 2570 205
789 CM9000 Milan 3 2568 208
790 CM9000 Tribute 2568 205
791 CM9000 Judge 2567 209
795 CM10K Steadfast 2565 209
797 CM10K Batatas 3 2565 205
802 CM10K Mr Spock 2562 218
803 CmX Master Yoda+ 2562 217
804 CM9000 Grizzly 2562 205
805 CM8000 MG2 2562 205
807 CM10K Wodra+ 2561 205
811 CM8000 Orald 2556 214
812 CM9000 EN 2556 211
814 CM10K Rhino 2556 209
820 CM8000 KKND 2553 215
821 CM10K Boa 2 2553 214
822 CM8777v1 2552 213
824 CM8000 Gil-Galad 2552 205
825 CM8125 2551 214
826 CM8000 Tato 2551 205
828 CM10K Behemoth II 2550 210
832 CM10K Undertaker 2549 218
834 CM10K Milan 2.3 2549 211
837 CM8000 Utzinger 2548 202
839 CM6666 2547 204
842 CM8000 Octopus 2546 214
843 CM10K Xperience 2545 208
844 CM8000 Xiej 2543 208
847 CM8000 Grailmaster 3 2541 205
848 CM8000 King 2541 202
849 CM8000 Fortress 2540 208
850 CM8000 Schüle 2540 205
856 CM8000 Kicman 2537 205
858 CM8000 Trojan 2533 210
859 CM9000 Grizzly II 2530 211
862 CM8000 Legend 2529 208
863 CM8000 Nextas 2529 204
864 CM8000 MG1 2528 206
865 CM8000 Titan 2527 215
868 CM8000 Ellwein 2524 205
872 CM8000 Brain 2523 202
876 CM8000 Pillen 2520 217
879 CM8000 Omega 2514 206
886 CM8000 Grailmaster 2509 215
887 CM10K Boa 2509 201
944 CM8000 Ace 2449 220

[Wilhelm]

If you want to know anything about Chessmaster, I'm your person. However, I had never heard about the "tutorial running too fast" issue, particularly since they use audio so I can't see how that's possible.

Several other sites have various versions of CM available for download, and Ubisoft clearly has "abandoned" the franchise. So I don't think anybody will complain.

The CM series definitely had some unavoidable weaknesses, one of them being the books, which were just thrown together based on stats from various PGN files of GM games that we had. Another was the database, which used the TASC software and, due to the way it used memory, could only have about 500K games in a DB.

A lot of people also complained about the copy protection on the discs that Ubisoft forced us to use. But we (the development team) couldn't do anything about that.

Thanks, I have a question. Are the personalities in CM9-10-11 all the same values or are they adapted to the versions? I only have CM11 installed at the moment. I plan to do a tourney with them. I ever want to do this but never had the time for it. I have a set of them for outside use but I'm not sure if they are realy from CM11.
Did I remember right that you made a Kasparov setting? I didn't have it and want to include it.
If you have any idea what could be important on my site I'm open for it.

[Wilhelm]

one more question: as I remember I had a little program where you can easily made settings for use in- and outside of CM. I would like to put it on the site but I didn't have it anymore and can't find it on the net. Anyone has it?