Do we really Need 8-pieces EGTB for testing engines ?

[Chessqueen]

My personal opinion is that if you really want to test the strength of engines it should be done with no more than 6 pieces EGTB. I will explain why now, so far most testers have used at least 5-men at a minimum, but once we get our hand on the 8-pieces EGTB, a lot of strong engines or should I say the top 6 will lose Elo, because of one simple reason, there would be lot and lots of engines in the range of 2700 to 3000 that will get to use 8 pieces endgame and all that those weaker engines have to do is play a few more moves from those long opening up to 12 or 16 moves, and Stockfish, or Komodo Dragon, and Lela etc... will only be able to get draws versus those weaker engines. Therefore, all the Knowledge that Programmers spend years to implement into their engine would be for nothing, since without 6-pieces, 7 or 8 pieces EGTB the more knowledgeable engines should little by little squeeze a win from the weaker engines if the weaker engines, and it is really not that hard for engines in the range between 2700 thru 3000 to get a balance position against stockfish or Komodo after the opening that get those weaker engine up to 12 moves or most of the times, so with a few more moves from the weaker engines they should get a balance position or slightly worse that guarantee them a draw against the best and engines with more knowledge to get a balance position or slightly worse.

NOTE: Bobby Fisher was right, he said that in the near future chess players will not be tested to see who has more chess knowledge, but which player has a better photographic memory to memorize chess openings and endgames. It would be like if Carsen face GM Pragg 16 years old, and GM Pragg is booked up to 18 moves at least, after a few more moves GM Pragg will obtain a position that it is very hard for GM Carlsen to get an edge, but if they would allow GM Pragg to use EGTB like in the cases of engine vs engine, GM Pragg can walk easy win at least a draw. Which is NOT fair for GM Carlsen or Stockfish in the case of Engine vs Engine to allow 8-pieces EGTB in the future.

[Magnum]

My personal opinion is that if you really want to test the strength of engines it should be done with no more than 6 pieces EGTB. I will explain why now, so far most testers have used at least 5-men at a minimum, but once we get our hand on the 8-pieces EGTB, a lot of strong engines or should I say the top 6 will lose Elo, because of one simple reason, there would be lot and lots of engines in the range of 2700 to 3000 that will get to use 8 pieces endgame and all that those weaker engines have to do is play a few more moves from those long opening up to 12 or 16 moves, and Stockfish, or Komodo Dragon, and Lela etc... will only be able to get draws versus those weaker engines. Therefore, all the Knowledge that Programmers spend years to implement into their engine would be for nothing, since without 6-pieces, 7 or 8 pieces EGTB the more knowledgeable engines should little by little squeeze a win from the weaker engines if the weaker engines, and it is really not that hard for engines in the range between 2700 thru 3000 to get a balance position against stockfish or Komodo after the opening that get those weaker engine up to 12 moves or most of the times, so with a few more moves from the weaker engines they should get a balance position or slightly worse that guarantee them a draw against the best and engines with more knowledge to get a balance position or slightly worse.

NOTE: Bobby Fisher was right, he said that in the near future chess players will not be tested to see who has more chess knowledge, but which player has a better photographic memory to memorize chess openings and endgames. It would be like if Carsen face GM Pragg 16 years old, and GM Pragg is booked up to 18 moves at least, after a few more moves GM Pragg will obtain a position that it is very hard for GM Carlsen to get an edge, but if they would allow GM Pragg to use EGTB like in the cases of engine vs engine, GM Pragg can walk easy win at least a draw. Which is NOT fair for GM Carlsen or Stockfish in the case of Engine vs Engine to allow 8-pieces EGTB in the future.

I really need 8-pieces EGTB for testing engines and for many other things!!!

[Chessqueen]

My personal opinion is that if you really want to test the strength of engines it should be done with no more than 6 pieces EGTB. I will explain why now, so far most testers have used at least 5-men at a minimum, but once we get our hand on the 8-pieces EGTB, a lot of strong engines or should I say the top 6 will lose Elo, because of one simple reason, there would be lot and lots of engines in the range of 2700 to 3000 that will get to use 8 pieces endgame and all that those weaker engines have to do is play a few more moves from those long opening up to 12 or 16 moves, and Stockfish, or Komodo Dragon, and Lela etc... will only be able to get draws versus those weaker engines. Therefore, all the Knowledge that Programmers spend years to implement into their engine would be for nothing, since without 6-pieces, 7 or 8 pieces EGTB the more knowledgeable engines should little by little squeeze a win from the weaker engines if the weaker engines, and it is really not that hard for engines in the range between 2700 thru 3000 to get a balance position against stockfish or Komodo after the opening that get those weaker engine up to 12 moves or most of the times, so with a few more moves from the weaker engines they should get a balance position or slightly worse that guarantee them a draw against the best and engines with more knowledge to get a balance position or slightly worse.

NOTE: Bobby Fisher was right, he said that in the near future chess players will not be tested to see who has more chess knowledge, but which player has a better photographic memory to memorize chess openings and endgames. It would be like if Carsen face GM Pragg 16 years old, and GM Pragg is booked up to 18 moves at least, after a few more moves GM Pragg will obtain a position that it is very hard for GM Carlsen to get an edge, but if they would allow GM Pragg to use EGTB like in the cases of engine vs engine, GM Pragg can walk easy win at least a draw. Which is NOT fair for GM Carlsen or Stockfish in the case of Engine vs Engine to allow 8-pieces EGTB in the future.

I really need 8-pieces EGTB for testing engines and for many other things!!!

Note: If you really want to compare strength between engines limit the Opening book to no more than 6 moves, and the EGTB to no more than 6 pieces EGTB so the engine that is better can have a chance to show it .And if you use a large Opening Book up to 30 moves, plus the 8-pieces EGTB, how many moves do you think as an average those engines will be making on their own; and what will you really be testing ? But if you really believe that huge Opening Books and Large EGTB is needed, then wait until the 16-pieces EGTB come out, and by that time engines will be really really small like this one https://leanchess.github.io/ with hardly any knowledge and chess will be solved by those tiny little engines

[Graham Banks]

My personal opinion is that if you really want to test the strength of engines it should be done with no more than 6 pieces EGTB............

At this point in time, I'm in agreement with this.