Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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swami wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:43 pm
Uri Blass wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 10:35 am
M ANSARI wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:07 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:19 am
CornfedForever wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:59 pm
Graham Banks wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 10:30 am
Albert Silver wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:49 am IM Ken Regan weighs in:

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cH ... ZjQ4?ep=14
So after analyzing 300-400 games, his conclusion is that there is no cheating.
And yet some are willing to look at 1 game (vs Carlsen) and shout 'cheating!'. The 'unlikely' always seems to manifest itself in small sample sizes.
It is normal to see Carlsen winning, but if he lose to a lower rated player, the World will support his childish accusation behavior. I just hope Carlsen lose again versus GM Pragg or GM Han Tomorrow. I love to see the unexpected :mrgreen:

It is beyond diotic to push the idea that Carlsen was just being "childish". Give the guy the benefit of the doubt that he had good reason ot pull out of the competition. It is not like Carlsen has never lost before ... he has and although I am sure he was not happy about losing he never left a tournament before, even with bad losses at the beginning of the tournament and even when he was very ill. He knows more about chess than you give him credit and he probably has a lot more information than any of us do. Most likely Chess.com gave his some additional data that made him really feel that "fair play" was compromised.

With regards to the Hiarcs engine playing without detection ... that is very interesting and more importantly very worrying. This is exactly the type of "White Hat" tries to circumvent anti cheating protocols that I would encourage. Obviously it shouldn't be done without controls ... but it makes sense to try something like that to test the protocols. Remember this is not someone trying to become the next MC (that would be obvious) ... it is someone who just want 100 or 200 ELO more.
Carlsen may have a good reason to believe the opponent cheated but
he had no good reason to leave the tournament.

Even if you are 100% sure that your opponent cheated and cannot prove it then it is not a good reason to leave the competition from my point of view.

It is not fair for the other players who were not cheating and wanted to play against Carlsen.
Carlsen had withdrawn from the biggest event that is World championship, so this is the small thing to do for him.

As for other players wanting to play Carlsen? What for, they would rather have a point than lose to Carlsen!
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:07 pm
Young talented GM Arjun will draw against Carlsen Watch LIVE Now ==>
Arjun lost...and lost badly with Magnus playing one of his 'suspect' defenses.

God...I so hate it when a thread turn to mere cheerleading. Half the posts here seem to be that way...which makes it no better than discussions on other forums. But hope springs eternal... :(
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:07 pm

Young talented GM Arjun will draw against Carlsen Watch LIVE Now ==>
OT and wrong information again...
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Guenther wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:50 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:07 pm

Young talented GM Arjun will draw against Carlsen Watch LIVE Now ==>
OT and wrong information again...
Mission accomplished, I got all of your attention, away from the boring subject Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann, for almost 13 days with the same boring subject :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:
Forget about memorization of Opening Theories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN3381sdcdY
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:27 pm
Guenther wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:50 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:07 pm

Young talented GM Arjun will draw against Carlsen Watch LIVE Now ==>
OT and wrong information again...
Mission accomplished, I got all of your attention, away from the boring subject Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann, for almost 13 days with the same boring subject :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:
You realize that you now explicitely admitted that you were trolling this thread all along?
If you are not going to be banned after this, I will take measures together with others to get a new moderation and let you ban immediately.
Your posts have ruined this forum for much too long...
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Re: Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann

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Guenther wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:44 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 8:27 pm
Guenther wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:50 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:07 pm

Young talented GM Arjun will draw against Carlsen Watch LIVE Now ==>
OT and wrong information again...
Mission accomplished, I got all of your attention, away from the boring subject Carlsen withdrawal after loss to Niemann, for almost 13 days with the same boring subject :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:
You realize that you now explicitely admitted that you were trolling this thread all along?
If you are not going to be banned after this, I will take measures together with others to get a new moderation and let you ban immediately.
Your posts have ruined this forum for much too long...
Take ChessQueen out, he is a bad influence for this Forum.
Forget about memorization of Opening Theories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN3381sdcdY