Sting SF Black Hole 2

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lech
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Sting SF Black Hole 2

Post by lech »

Sorry, but the previous version is too naive.
The implementation of my "black hole" ideas (scepticism & intuition) is not easy, especially if it applies to ELO points.
Thus, I prepared this quick new version.
I think, some next versions can appear soon.

download: https://www.mediafire.com/file/1ckrk63o ... 2.zip/file
Maybe, I can't be friendly, but let me be useful.
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lech
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Re: Sting SF Black Hole 2

Post by lech »

Why Sting is the very important engine? In the future your kinds or grandchildern will be looked by machines after.
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Vinvin
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Re: Sting SF Black Hole 2

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Sting SF Black Hole 2 (1st and 2nd version) detects a fortress here after Rxf7. Is this true ?
The solution is Rxb7 to get a fortress.

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Sting-sf-bh-2:
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 17-	00:00	 839k	899k	-1,17	1.Rxf7 g3
 17-	00:00	 973k	1.030k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3
 17	00:00	 1.018k	1.073k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Ke2 Kg3 6.Rxd5 Nf7 7.a3 Rb7
 18	00:00	 1.542k	1.555k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Ke2 Kg3
 19-	00:01	 2.081k	2.003k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 19+	00:01	 2.213k	2.110k	-1,17	1.Rxf7
 19	00:01	 2.322k	2.187k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Kd2 Ne8 10.Ke1 Nf6 11.Re5 Rb7 12.Kd2
 20-	00:01	 2.716k	2.469k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 20	00:01	 2.796k	2.526k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Re5 Rb8 10.Re6 Rd8 11.Re5 Re8 12.Rxe8 Nxe8
 21-	00:01	 3.059k	2.705k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 21-	00:01	 3.356k	2.901k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 21	00:01	 3.668k	3.092k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke1 Kg3 9.Rf5 Rb7 10.Kf1 Nd6 11.Rg5+ Kh4 12.Re5 Rd7 13.Re6 Kg5 14.Ke2
 22-	00:01	 5.265k	4.016k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 5.828k	4.301k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 7.751k	5.181k	-1,71	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22	00:01	 9.435k	5.839k	-1,57	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Rxb5 Rh2 11.Re5 Rxg2+ 12.Kc1 Nxe3 13.Rxe4+ Kf3
 23-	00:01	 10.226k	6.090k	-1,69	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23-	00:01	 10.657k	6.210k	-1,81	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23	00:01	 12.465k	6.760k	-1,73	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rf7 Rh8 10.Ke2 Rh2 11.Kf2 Kg5 12.d5 Nd6 13.Rf8
 24-	00:01	 13.730k	7.063k	-1,85	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24-	00:02	 14.920k	7.325k	-1,97	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24	00:02	 16.950k	7.768k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Re5 Rh2 11.Rxe4+ Kg3 12.Re5 Rxg2+ 13.Kc1 Kg4 14.a3 Rh2 15.Rxb5 Nxe3 16.Kb1
 25+	00:02	 20.790k	8.513k	-1,93	1.Rxf7
 25-	00:02	 21.697k	8.596k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 25	00:02	 26.840k	9.345k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 a3 10.Rb6+ Kf7 11.Ra6 Ke7 12.Ra7+ Ke6 13.Ra6+ Nd6 14.Ra5 Kf6
 26-	00:03	 35.293k	10.215k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 26	00:03	 37.006k	10.334k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 a3 14.Ra7+ Kc6 15.Ra6+ Kd5 16.Ra5+
 27-	00:03	 42.289k	10.717k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 27	00:04	 43.433k	10.732k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 Ra3 14.Kd2 Ke6 15.Re5+ Kf7 16.Rc5 Ra2+ 17.Ke1 Kf6
 28-	00:04	 55.248k	11.439k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 63.740k	11.734k	-2,26	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 68.656k	11.913k	-2,38	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28	00:06	 75.015k	12.095k	-2,46	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kg5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rh7 Rf8 10.Rb7 Rh8 11.Rb6 Kg5 12.Rxb5 Rh2 13.Kc1 Rxg2 14.a3 Kg4 15.Re5 Nxe3 16.Rxe4+ Kf3 17.Re5 Rc2+
 29-	00:07	 90.537k	12.521k	-2,58	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29-	00:07	 101.597k	12.755k	-2,70	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29	00:08	 105.261k	12.788k	-2,66	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.b6 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rb2+ 19.Kd1 c3 20.b7 Rxb7
 30+	00:08	 108.273k	12.815k	-2,54	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:08	 109.082k	12.811k	-2,42	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:09	 125.307k	13.026k	-0,03	1.Rxf7
 30	00:09	 128.730k	13.048k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.Kd2 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rxb5 19.Kc3 Rb3+ 20.Kc2 Kd7 21.Kd2 Rb2+ 22.Kc3 Rxf2 23.Rb6 Re2
 31	00:11	 154.058k	13.290k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.a3 Nf5 6.Kc2 Kg6 7.Rc6 Nxd4+ 8.cxd4 Kf6 9.Rc7 Kg6 10.Rc5 c3 11.Kxc3 Kf5 12.Kc2 Ra8 13.Rxb5 Kg6 14.Ra5 Rxa5 15.bxa5 Kf7 16.Kc3 Kg6
 32	00:19	 279.433k	14.433k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.a3 Rh8 5.Ke2 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rxg2 7.Kf1 Rh2 8.Kg1 g3 9.fxg3 Rb2 10.Rg8+ Kf6 11.Kh1 Nxe3 12.Rf8+ Ke6 13.Kg1 Nc2 14.Kg2 Nxa3+ 15.Kh3 e3 16.Kg4 Nc2 17.Re8+ Kf7
 33	00:25	 374.971k	14.961k	 0,00	1.Ke2 Kg6 2.a3 Nd8 3.g3 Ne6 4.Rd6 Kf5 5.Ke1 Nxd4 6.exd4 Bg6 7.Rxd5+ Kf6 8.Rd6+ Kf5 9.Rd5+
 34	00:36	 565.480k	15.389k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Ke1 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rh1+ 7.Kd2 Ra1 8.Kc2 Rxa2+ 9.Kd1 Rxf2 10.Ke1 Nxe3 11.Rg8+ Kf5 12.Rf8+ Kg5 13.Rg8+ Kf6 14.Rf8+ Kg5
 35	00:44	 690.689k	15.634k	 0,00	1.a3 g3 2.Rxf7 gxf2 3.Rxf2 Nd6 4.Rf1 Kg6 5.Ke1 Re8 6.Kd2 Nf5 7.Rf2 Ng3 8.Kc2 Nf5 9.Kd2
 36	01:07	 1.110.948k	16.446k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.a3 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3+ 6.Kf2 Nf5 7.Ke2 Kf6 8.Ra7 Rg8 9.Kd2 Rg3 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Kb1 Nxg2 12.Ra6+ Kg5 13.Kb2
 37	01:18	 1.310.670k	16.663k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rc7 Nd6 3.Rc6 Nf5 4.Rxe6 Kg5 5.Ke2 Rd8 6.a3 Rh8 7.Rb6 Rh1 8.Rxb5 Ra1 9.Rc5 Rxa3 10.Kd2 Ra2+ 11.Ke1 Ra1+ 12.Ke2 Rc1 13.Kd2 Rb1 14.Rxd5 Rb2+ 15.Ke1 a3 16.Ra5 a2 17.Kd1 Rxf2 18.Ke1 Rf3 19.Rxa2
 38	01:51	 1.974.271k	17.751k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.Rxd5 g3 5.Re5 gxf2 6.Kxf2 Rf8 7.Rc5 Nxd4+ 8.Ke1 Nf5 9.Kf2 Rf6 10.Re5 Nd6+ 11.Ke1 Kf7 12.Ke2 Kg6 13.Kd1 a3 14.Ke2 Nf5 15.Rxb5 Nd6 16.Re5 Kf7 17.Kd1 Kg6 18.Kd2 Kf7 19.Kd1
 39	02:27	 2.775.998k	18.827k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.Rh7 Kg6 6.Rh1 Nf5 7.Ke2 a3 8.Rd1 Nxg3+ 9.fxg3 Kf7 10.Kf1 Kf6 11.Kf2 Kg7 12.Ke2 Kf6 13.Kf1 Kg7 14.Kf2 Kf6 15.Kf1
 40	02:53	 3.376.352k	19.516k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Rxd5 Kg6 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxb5 Rh2 6.Rb6+ Kf7 7.Rb7+ Ke6 8.Rb6+ Kd7 9.Rb8 Rxf2+ 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Rg8 Rxa2 12.Kb1 Rg2 13.Rg7+ Kd6 14.Kc1 Rxg3 15.Kd2 a3 16.Ra7 a2 17.Ra6+ Kd5 18.Ra5+ Kd6 19.Ra6+
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peter
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Re: Sting SF Black Hole 2

Post by peter »

Vinvin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:49 pm Sting SF Black Hole 2 (1st and 2nd version) detects a fortress here after Rxf7. Is this true ?
The solution is Rxb7 to get a fortress.

[d]1r6/1n1R1b2/8/1p1p3k/pPpPp1p1/2P1P3/P2K1PP1/8 w - - 0 1

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Sting-sf-bh-2:
...
 17-	00:00	 839k	899k	-1,17	1.Rxf7 g3
 17-	00:00	 973k	1.030k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3
 17	00:00	 1.018k	1.073k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Ke2 Kg3 6.Rxd5 Nf7 7.a3 Rb7
 18	00:00	 1.542k	1.555k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Ke2 Kg3
 19-	00:01	 2.081k	2.003k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 19+	00:01	 2.213k	2.110k	-1,17	1.Rxf7
 19	00:01	 2.322k	2.187k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Kd2 Ne8 10.Ke1 Nf6 11.Re5 Rb7 12.Kd2
 20-	00:01	 2.716k	2.469k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 20	00:01	 2.796k	2.526k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Re5 Rb8 10.Re6 Rd8 11.Re5 Re8 12.Rxe8 Nxe8
 21-	00:01	 3.059k	2.705k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 21-	00:01	 3.356k	2.901k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 21	00:01	 3.668k	3.092k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke1 Kg3 9.Rf5 Rb7 10.Kf1 Nd6 11.Rg5+ Kh4 12.Re5 Rd7 13.Re6 Kg5 14.Ke2
 22-	00:01	 5.265k	4.016k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 5.828k	4.301k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 7.751k	5.181k	-1,71	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22	00:01	 9.435k	5.839k	-1,57	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Rxb5 Rh2 11.Re5 Rxg2+ 12.Kc1 Nxe3 13.Rxe4+ Kf3
 23-	00:01	 10.226k	6.090k	-1,69	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23-	00:01	 10.657k	6.210k	-1,81	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23	00:01	 12.465k	6.760k	-1,73	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rf7 Rh8 10.Ke2 Rh2 11.Kf2 Kg5 12.d5 Nd6 13.Rf8
 24-	00:01	 13.730k	7.063k	-1,85	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24-	00:02	 14.920k	7.325k	-1,97	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24	00:02	 16.950k	7.768k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Re5 Rh2 11.Rxe4+ Kg3 12.Re5 Rxg2+ 13.Kc1 Kg4 14.a3 Rh2 15.Rxb5 Nxe3 16.Kb1
 25+	00:02	 20.790k	8.513k	-1,93	1.Rxf7
 25-	00:02	 21.697k	8.596k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 25	00:02	 26.840k	9.345k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 a3 10.Rb6+ Kf7 11.Ra6 Ke7 12.Ra7+ Ke6 13.Ra6+ Nd6 14.Ra5 Kf6
 26-	00:03	 35.293k	10.215k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 26	00:03	 37.006k	10.334k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 a3 14.Ra7+ Kc6 15.Ra6+ Kd5 16.Ra5+
 27-	00:03	 42.289k	10.717k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 27	00:04	 43.433k	10.732k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 Ra3 14.Kd2 Ke6 15.Re5+ Kf7 16.Rc5 Ra2+ 17.Ke1 Kf6
 28-	00:04	 55.248k	11.439k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 63.740k	11.734k	-2,26	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 68.656k	11.913k	-2,38	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28	00:06	 75.015k	12.095k	-2,46	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kg5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rh7 Rf8 10.Rb7 Rh8 11.Rb6 Kg5 12.Rxb5 Rh2 13.Kc1 Rxg2 14.a3 Kg4 15.Re5 Nxe3 16.Rxe4+ Kf3 17.Re5 Rc2+
 29-	00:07	 90.537k	12.521k	-2,58	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29-	00:07	 101.597k	12.755k	-2,70	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29	00:08	 105.261k	12.788k	-2,66	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.b6 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rb2+ 19.Kd1 c3 20.b7 Rxb7
 30+	00:08	 108.273k	12.815k	-2,54	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:08	 109.082k	12.811k	-2,42	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:09	 125.307k	13.026k	-0,03	1.Rxf7
 30	00:09	 128.730k	13.048k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.Kd2 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rxb5 19.Kc3 Rb3+ 20.Kc2 Kd7 21.Kd2 Rb2+ 22.Kc3 Rxf2 23.Rb6 Re2
 31	00:11	 154.058k	13.290k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.a3 Nf5 6.Kc2 Kg6 7.Rc6 Nxd4+ 8.cxd4 Kf6 9.Rc7 Kg6 10.Rc5 c3 11.Kxc3 Kf5 12.Kc2 Ra8 13.Rxb5 Kg6 14.Ra5 Rxa5 15.bxa5 Kf7 16.Kc3 Kg6
 32	00:19	 279.433k	14.433k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.a3 Rh8 5.Ke2 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rxg2 7.Kf1 Rh2 8.Kg1 g3 9.fxg3 Rb2 10.Rg8+ Kf6 11.Kh1 Nxe3 12.Rf8+ Ke6 13.Kg1 Nc2 14.Kg2 Nxa3+ 15.Kh3 e3 16.Kg4 Nc2 17.Re8+ Kf7
 33	00:25	 374.971k	14.961k	 0,00	1.Ke2 Kg6 2.a3 Nd8 3.g3 Ne6 4.Rd6 Kf5 5.Ke1 Nxd4 6.exd4 Bg6 7.Rxd5+ Kf6 8.Rd6+ Kf5 9.Rd5+
 34	00:36	 565.480k	15.389k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Ke1 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rh1+ 7.Kd2 Ra1 8.Kc2 Rxa2+ 9.Kd1 Rxf2 10.Ke1 Nxe3 11.Rg8+ Kf5 12.Rf8+ Kg5 13.Rg8+ Kf6 14.Rf8+ Kg5
 35	00:44	 690.689k	15.634k	 0,00	1.a3 g3 2.Rxf7 gxf2 3.Rxf2 Nd6 4.Rf1 Kg6 5.Ke1 Re8 6.Kd2 Nf5 7.Rf2 Ng3 8.Kc2 Nf5 9.Kd2
 36	01:07	 1.110.948k	16.446k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.a3 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3+ 6.Kf2 Nf5 7.Ke2 Kf6 8.Ra7 Rg8 9.Kd2 Rg3 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Kb1 Nxg2 12.Ra6+ Kg5 13.Kb2
 37	01:18	 1.310.670k	16.663k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rc7 Nd6 3.Rc6 Nf5 4.Rxe6 Kg5 5.Ke2 Rd8 6.a3 Rh8 7.Rb6 Rh1 8.Rxb5 Ra1 9.Rc5 Rxa3 10.Kd2 Ra2+ 11.Ke1 Ra1+ 12.Ke2 Rc1 13.Kd2 Rb1 14.Rxd5 Rb2+ 15.Ke1 a3 16.Ra5 a2 17.Kd1 Rxf2 18.Ke1 Rf3 19.Rxa2
 38	01:51	 1.974.271k	17.751k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.Rxd5 g3 5.Re5 gxf2 6.Kxf2 Rf8 7.Rc5 Nxd4+ 8.Ke1 Nf5 9.Kf2 Rf6 10.Re5 Nd6+ 11.Ke1 Kf7 12.Ke2 Kg6 13.Kd1 a3 14.Ke2 Nf5 15.Rxb5 Nd6 16.Re5 Kf7 17.Kd1 Kg6 18.Kd2 Kf7 19.Kd1
 39	02:27	 2.775.998k	18.827k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.Rh7 Kg6 6.Rh1 Nf5 7.Ke2 a3 8.Rd1 Nxg3+ 9.fxg3 Kf7 10.Kf1 Kf6 11.Kf2 Kg7 12.Ke2 Kf6 13.Kf1 Kg7 14.Kf2 Kf6 15.Kf1
 40	02:53	 3.376.352k	19.516k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Rxd5 Kg6 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxb5 Rh2 6.Rb6+ Kf7 7.Rb7+ Ke6 8.Rb6+ Kd7 9.Rb8 Rxf2+ 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Rg8 Rxa2 12.Kb1 Rg2 13.Rg7+ Kd6 14.Kc1 Rxg3 15.Kd2 a3 16.Ra7 a2 17.Ra6+ Kd5 18.Ra5+ Kd6 19.Ra6+
No, the study by Miguel Illescas is correct (no dual at first move) and the end of your intallation's output- line is #13 for Black.

After 1.Rxf7+? and Backward of the latest output- line above:

1r6/1n3R2/8/1p1p3k/pPpPp1p1/2P1P3/P2K1PP1/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Crystallite 1.1a-bmi2:

1...Nd6 2.Rf6 Rd8 3.g3 Kg5 4.Re6 Nf5 5.Kc1 Rf8 6.Rb6 Nh6 7.Rxb5 Rxf2 8.Rxd5+ Nf5 9.Re5 Re2 10.b5 a3 11.d5 Rxe3 12.d6 Rd3 13.b6 Rxd6 14.b7 Rb6 15.Rxe4 Rxb7 16.Rxc4 Nxg3 17.Ra4 Nf5 18.Rxa3 g3 19.Rb3 Rf7 20.Rb8 Ne7 21.Kd2 g2 22.Rh8 Kf4 23.Re8 Ng6 24.Rg8 g1Q 25.Rxg6
-+ (-8.10 ++) Depth: 35/69 00:01:50 5169MN
Black is clearly winning

And at the starting position after some Backward of the solution- line too:


[fen]1r6/1n1R1b2/8/1p1p3k/pPpPp1p1/2P1P3/P2K1PP1/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]


Analysis by Crystallite 1.1a-bmi2:

1. = (0.00): 1.Rxb7 Rxb7 2.g3 Kg6 3.Ke2 Be6 4.Kf1 Rd7 5.Kg2 Rh7 6.Kg1 Bd7 7.Kg2
2. -+ (-4.16): 1.g3 Kg6 2.Rxb7 Rh8 3.Rb6+ Kg7 4.Rxb5 Rh2 5.Ke2 Be8 6.Ra5 Kf6 7.b5 Rh1 8.Rxa4 Bxb5 9.Ra5 Bd7 10.Ra7 Ke7
The position is equal

Not: 1...Rxf7 Nd6 2...Rf6 Rd8 -+

With automatich comments at the end by Fritz- GUI.

Here

https://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin ... #pid159581

A cursed win for Black could have been found after 1.g3? maybe, so one could argue, that was maybe to be drawn as for 50 moves boundary too (not counting as for studies normally) but that' just to mention from my side, regards
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Re: Sting SF Black Hole 2

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peter wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:05 pm Here

https://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin ... #pid159581

A cursed win for Black could have been found after 1.g3? maybe, so one could argue, that was maybe to be drawn as for 50 moves boundary too (not counting as for studies normally) but that' just to mention from my side, regards
Please ignore all the nonsense quoted, just mixed up things with another an other one study by V.Vinichenko, about which the CSS- thread was about
:oops:
BTW, why can't a posting be deleted anymore some longer than edit- time lasts, even if nobody has answered it till then, as it was before CCC- software- update?
And the "workaround" as for diagrams only shown logged in in insecure http- mode can't be a solution of duration neither, can it?
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Re: Sting SF Black Hole 2

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Vinvin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:49 pm Sting SF Black Hole 2 (1st and 2nd version) detects a fortress here after Rxf7. Is this true ?
The solution is Rxb7 to get a fortress.

[d]1r6/1n1R1b2/8/1p1p3k/pPpPp1p1/2P1P3/P2K1PP1/8 w - - 0 1

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Sting-sf-bh-2:
...
 17-	00:00	 839k	899k	-1,17	1.Rxf7 g3
 17-	00:00	 973k	1.030k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3
 17	00:00	 1.018k	1.073k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Ke2 Kg3 6.Rxd5 Nf7 7.a3 Rb7
 18	00:00	 1.542k	1.555k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Ke2 Kg3
 19-	00:01	 2.081k	2.003k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 19+	00:01	 2.213k	2.110k	-1,17	1.Rxf7
 19	00:01	 2.322k	2.187k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Kd2 Ne8 10.Ke1 Nf6 11.Re5 Rb7 12.Kd2
 20-	00:01	 2.716k	2.469k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 20	00:01	 2.796k	2.526k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Re5 Rb8 10.Re6 Rd8 11.Re5 Re8 12.Rxe8 Nxe8
 21-	00:01	 3.059k	2.705k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 21-	00:01	 3.356k	2.901k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 21	00:01	 3.668k	3.092k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke1 Kg3 9.Rf5 Rb7 10.Kf1 Nd6 11.Rg5+ Kh4 12.Re5 Rd7 13.Re6 Kg5 14.Ke2
 22-	00:01	 5.265k	4.016k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 5.828k	4.301k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 7.751k	5.181k	-1,71	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22	00:01	 9.435k	5.839k	-1,57	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Rxb5 Rh2 11.Re5 Rxg2+ 12.Kc1 Nxe3 13.Rxe4+ Kf3
 23-	00:01	 10.226k	6.090k	-1,69	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23-	00:01	 10.657k	6.210k	-1,81	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23	00:01	 12.465k	6.760k	-1,73	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rf7 Rh8 10.Ke2 Rh2 11.Kf2 Kg5 12.d5 Nd6 13.Rf8
 24-	00:01	 13.730k	7.063k	-1,85	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24-	00:02	 14.920k	7.325k	-1,97	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24	00:02	 16.950k	7.768k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Re5 Rh2 11.Rxe4+ Kg3 12.Re5 Rxg2+ 13.Kc1 Kg4 14.a3 Rh2 15.Rxb5 Nxe3 16.Kb1
 25+	00:02	 20.790k	8.513k	-1,93	1.Rxf7
 25-	00:02	 21.697k	8.596k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 25	00:02	 26.840k	9.345k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 a3 10.Rb6+ Kf7 11.Ra6 Ke7 12.Ra7+ Ke6 13.Ra6+ Nd6 14.Ra5 Kf6
 26-	00:03	 35.293k	10.215k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 26	00:03	 37.006k	10.334k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 a3 14.Ra7+ Kc6 15.Ra6+ Kd5 16.Ra5+
 27-	00:03	 42.289k	10.717k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 27	00:04	 43.433k	10.732k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 Ra3 14.Kd2 Ke6 15.Re5+ Kf7 16.Rc5 Ra2+ 17.Ke1 Kf6
 28-	00:04	 55.248k	11.439k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 63.740k	11.734k	-2,26	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 68.656k	11.913k	-2,38	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28	00:06	 75.015k	12.095k	-2,46	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kg5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rh7 Rf8 10.Rb7 Rh8 11.Rb6 Kg5 12.Rxb5 Rh2 13.Kc1 Rxg2 14.a3 Kg4 15.Re5 Nxe3 16.Rxe4+ Kf3 17.Re5 Rc2+
 29-	00:07	 90.537k	12.521k	-2,58	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29-	00:07	 101.597k	12.755k	-2,70	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29	00:08	 105.261k	12.788k	-2,66	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.b6 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rb2+ 19.Kd1 c3 20.b7 Rxb7
 30+	00:08	 108.273k	12.815k	-2,54	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:08	 109.082k	12.811k	-2,42	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:09	 125.307k	13.026k	-0,03	1.Rxf7
 30	00:09	 128.730k	13.048k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.Kd2 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rxb5 19.Kc3 Rb3+ 20.Kc2 Kd7 21.Kd2 Rb2+ 22.Kc3 Rxf2 23.Rb6 Re2
 31	00:11	 154.058k	13.290k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.a3 Nf5 6.Kc2 Kg6 7.Rc6 Nxd4+ 8.cxd4 Kf6 9.Rc7 Kg6 10.Rc5 c3 11.Kxc3 Kf5 12.Kc2 Ra8 13.Rxb5 Kg6 14.Ra5 Rxa5 15.bxa5 Kf7 16.Kc3 Kg6
 32	00:19	 279.433k	14.433k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.a3 Rh8 5.Ke2 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rxg2 7.Kf1 Rh2 8.Kg1 g3 9.fxg3 Rb2 10.Rg8+ Kf6 11.Kh1 Nxe3 12.Rf8+ Ke6 13.Kg1 Nc2 14.Kg2 Nxa3+ 15.Kh3 e3 16.Kg4 Nc2 17.Re8+ Kf7
 33	00:25	 374.971k	14.961k	 0,00	1.Ke2 Kg6 2.a3 Nd8 3.g3 Ne6 4.Rd6 Kf5 5.Ke1 Nxd4 6.exd4 Bg6 7.Rxd5+ Kf6 8.Rd6+ Kf5 9.Rd5+
 34	00:36	 565.480k	15.389k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Ke1 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rh1+ 7.Kd2 Ra1 8.Kc2 Rxa2+ 9.Kd1 Rxf2 10.Ke1 Nxe3 11.Rg8+ Kf5 12.Rf8+ Kg5 13.Rg8+ Kf6 14.Rf8+ Kg5
 35	00:44	 690.689k	15.634k	 0,00	1.a3 g3 2.Rxf7 gxf2 3.Rxf2 Nd6 4.Rf1 Kg6 5.Ke1 Re8 6.Kd2 Nf5 7.Rf2 Ng3 8.Kc2 Nf5 9.Kd2
 36	01:07	 1.110.948k	16.446k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.a3 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3+ 6.Kf2 Nf5 7.Ke2 Kf6 8.Ra7 Rg8 9.Kd2 Rg3 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Kb1 Nxg2 12.Ra6+ Kg5 13.Kb2
 37	01:18	 1.310.670k	16.663k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rc7 Nd6 3.Rc6 Nf5 4.Rxe6 Kg5 5.Ke2 Rd8 6.a3 Rh8 7.Rb6 Rh1 8.Rxb5 Ra1 9.Rc5 Rxa3 10.Kd2 Ra2+ 11.Ke1 Ra1+ 12.Ke2 Rc1 13.Kd2 Rb1 14.Rxd5 Rb2+ 15.Ke1 a3 16.Ra5 a2 17.Kd1 Rxf2 18.Ke1 Rf3 19.Rxa2
 38	01:51	 1.974.271k	17.751k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.Rxd5 g3 5.Re5 gxf2 6.Kxf2 Rf8 7.Rc5 Nxd4+ 8.Ke1 Nf5 9.Kf2 Rf6 10.Re5 Nd6+ 11.Ke1 Kf7 12.Ke2 Kg6 13.Kd1 a3 14.Ke2 Nf5 15.Rxb5 Nd6 16.Re5 Kf7 17.Kd1 Kg6 18.Kd2 Kf7 19.Kd1
 39	02:27	 2.775.998k	18.827k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.Rh7 Kg6 6.Rh1 Nf5 7.Ke2 a3 8.Rd1 Nxg3+ 9.fxg3 Kf7 10.Kf1 Kf6 11.Kf2 Kg7 12.Ke2 Kf6 13.Kf1 Kg7 14.Kf2 Kf6 15.Kf1
 40	02:53	 3.376.352k	19.516k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Rxd5 Kg6 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxb5 Rh2 6.Rb6+ Kf7 7.Rb7+ Ke6 8.Rb6+ Kd7 9.Rb8 Rxf2+ 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Rg8 Rxa2 12.Kb1 Rg2 13.Rg7+ Kd6 14.Kc1 Rxg3 15.Kd2 a3 16.Ra7 a2 17.Ra6+ Kd5 18.Ra5+ Kd6 19.Ra6+
It is not true that Sting SF Black Hole detects a fortress after 1.Rxf7. It is my deep Black Hole idea and it is working in this way. The first moves are changing (see below!). It means no one is correct.
Sting SF Black Hole is a fresh, intelligent and difficult idea and needs a longer work. Be patient and believe me! :)

30 00:09 128.730k 13.048k 0,00 1.Rxf7
31 00:11 154.058k 13.290k 0,00 1.g3
32 00:19 279.433k 14.433k 0,00 1.Rxf7
33 00:25 374.971k 14.961k 0,00 1.Ke2
34 00:36 565.480k 15.389k 0,00 1.Rxf7
35 00:44 690.689k 15.634k 0,00 1.a3
36 01:07 1.110.948k 16.446k 0,00 1.Rxf7
37 01:18 1.310.670k 16.663k 0,00 1.g3
38 01:51 1.974.271k 17.751k 0,00 1.Rxf7
39 02:27 2.775.998k 18.827k 0,00 1.g3
40 02:53 3.376.352k 19.516k 0,00 1.Rxf7
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Re: Sting SF Black Hole 2

Post by peter »

lech wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:52 pm
Vinvin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:49 pm Sting SF Black Hole 2 (1st and 2nd version) detects a fortress here after Rxf7. Is this true ?
The solution is Rxb7 to get a fortress.

[d]1r6/1n1R1b2/8/1p1p3k/pPpPp1p1/2P1P3/P2K1PP1/8 w - - 0 1

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Sting-sf-bh-2:
...
 17-	00:00	 839k	899k	-1,17	1.Rxf7 g3
 17-	00:00	 973k	1.030k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3
 17	00:00	 1.018k	1.073k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Ke2 Kg3 6.Rxd5 Nf7 7.a3 Rb7
 18	00:00	 1.542k	1.555k	-1,29	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Ke2 Kg3
 19-	00:01	 2.081k	2.003k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 19+	00:01	 2.213k	2.110k	-1,17	1.Rxf7
 19	00:01	 2.322k	2.187k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Kd2 Ne8 10.Ke1 Nf6 11.Re5 Rb7 12.Kd2
 20-	00:01	 2.716k	2.469k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 20	00:01	 2.796k	2.526k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke2 Nd6 9.Re5 Rb8 10.Re6 Rd8 11.Re5 Re8 12.Rxe8 Nxe8
 21-	00:01	 3.059k	2.705k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 g3
 21-	00:01	 3.356k	2.901k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 g3
 21	00:01	 3.668k	3.092k	-1,25	1.Rxf7 g3 2.Rd7 gxf2 3.Ke2 Kg4 4.Kxf2 Nd8 5.Rxd5 Nf7 6.a3 Rb7 7.Kf1 Rb6 8.Ke1 Kg3 9.Rf5 Rb7 10.Kf1 Nd6 11.Rg5+ Kh4 12.Re5 Rd7 13.Re6 Kg5 14.Ke2
 22-	00:01	 5.265k	4.016k	-1,33	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 5.828k	4.301k	-1,41	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22-	00:01	 7.751k	5.181k	-1,71	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 22	00:01	 9.435k	5.839k	-1,57	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Rxb5 Rh2 11.Re5 Rxg2+ 12.Kc1 Nxe3 13.Rxe4+ Kf3
 23-	00:01	 10.226k	6.090k	-1,69	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23-	00:01	 10.657k	6.210k	-1,81	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 23	00:01	 12.465k	6.760k	-1,73	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rf7 Rh8 10.Ke2 Rh2 11.Kf2 Kg5 12.d5 Nd6 13.Rf8
 24-	00:01	 13.730k	7.063k	-1,85	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24-	00:02	 14.920k	7.325k	-1,97	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 24	00:02	 16.950k	7.768k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kh5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rd5 Rh8 10.Re5 Rh2 11.Rxe4+ Kg3 12.Re5 Rxg2+ 13.Kc1 Kg4 14.a3 Rh2 15.Rxb5 Nxe3 16.Kb1
 25+	00:02	 20.790k	8.513k	-1,93	1.Rxf7
 25-	00:02	 21.697k	8.596k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 25	00:02	 26.840k	9.345k	-2,06	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 a3 10.Rb6+ Kf7 11.Ra6 Ke7 12.Ra7+ Ke6 13.Ra6+ Nd6 14.Ra5 Kf6
 26-	00:03	 35.293k	10.215k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 26	00:03	 37.006k	10.334k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 a3 14.Ra7+ Kc6 15.Ra6+ Kd5 16.Ra5+
 27-	00:03	 42.289k	10.717k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 27	00:04	 43.433k	10.732k	-2,10	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 Rh8 5.g3 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Kf6 10.Rb6+ Ke7 11.Rb5 Nd6 12.Re5+ Kd7 13.Ra5 Ra3 14.Kd2 Ke6 15.Re5+ Kf7 16.Rc5 Ra2+ 17.Ke1 Kf6
 28-	00:04	 55.248k	11.439k	-2,18	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 63.740k	11.734k	-2,26	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28-	00:05	 68.656k	11.913k	-2,38	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 28	00:06	 75.015k	12.095k	-2,46	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.Rxd5 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3 6.Rd6+ Kg5 7.Rd5+ Kg4 8.Rd7 Nf5 9.Rh7 Rf8 10.Rb7 Rh8 11.Rb6 Kg5 12.Rxb5 Rh2 13.Kc1 Rxg2 14.a3 Kg4 15.Re5 Nxe3 16.Rxe4+ Kf3 17.Re5 Rc2+
 29-	00:07	 90.537k	12.521k	-2,58	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29-	00:07	 101.597k	12.755k	-2,70	1.Rxf7 Nd6
 29	00:08	 105.261k	12.788k	-2,66	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.b6 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rb2+ 19.Kd1 c3 20.b7 Rxb7
 30+	00:08	 108.273k	12.815k	-2,54	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:08	 109.082k	12.811k	-2,42	1.Rxf7
 30+	00:09	 125.307k	13.026k	-0,03	1.Rxf7
 30	00:09	 128.730k	13.048k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxd5 Rh2 6.Ke1 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 Ra1 8.Rxb5 Rxa2+ 9.Ke1 Ra1+ 10.Ke2 a3 11.Rb6+ Kf7 12.Ra6 a2 13.Ra7+ Ke6 14.Ra6+ Nd6 15.b5 Rc1 16.Rxa2 Rxc3 17.Kd2 Rb3 18.Ra6 Rxb5 19.Kc3 Rb3+ 20.Kc2 Kd7 21.Kd2 Rb2+ 22.Kc3 Rxf2 23.Rb6 Re2
 31	00:11	 154.058k	13.290k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.a3 Nf5 6.Kc2 Kg6 7.Rc6 Nxd4+ 8.cxd4 Kf6 9.Rc7 Kg6 10.Rc5 c3 11.Kxc3 Kf5 12.Kc2 Ra8 13.Rxb5 Kg6 14.Ra5 Rxa5 15.bxa5 Kf7 16.Kc3 Kg6
 32	00:19	 279.433k	14.433k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.a3 Rh8 5.Ke2 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rxg2 7.Kf1 Rh2 8.Kg1 g3 9.fxg3 Rb2 10.Rg8+ Kf6 11.Kh1 Nxe3 12.Rf8+ Ke6 13.Kg1 Nc2 14.Kg2 Nxa3+ 15.Kh3 e3 16.Kg4 Nc2 17.Re8+ Kf7
 33	00:25	 374.971k	14.961k	 0,00	1.Ke2 Kg6 2.a3 Nd8 3.g3 Ne6 4.Rd6 Kf5 5.Ke1 Nxd4 6.exd4 Bg6 7.Rxd5+ Kf6 8.Rd6+ Kf5 9.Rd5+
 34	00:36	 565.480k	15.389k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Rd7 Nf5 4.g3 Rh8 5.Ke1 Rh2 6.Rd8 Rh1+ 7.Kd2 Ra1 8.Kc2 Rxa2+ 9.Kd1 Rxf2 10.Ke1 Nxe3 11.Rg8+ Kf5 12.Rf8+ Kg5 13.Rg8+ Kf6 14.Rf8+ Kg5
 35	00:44	 690.689k	15.634k	 0,00	1.a3 g3 2.Rxf7 gxf2 3.Rxf2 Nd6 4.Rf1 Kg6 5.Ke1 Re8 6.Kd2 Nf5 7.Rf2 Ng3 8.Kc2 Nf5 9.Kd2
 36	01:07	 1.110.948k	16.446k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.a3 g3 5.fxg3 Nxg3+ 6.Kf2 Nf5 7.Ke2 Kf6 8.Ra7 Rg8 9.Kd2 Rg3 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Kb1 Nxg2 12.Ra6+ Kg5 13.Kb2
 37	01:18	 1.310.670k	16.663k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rc7 Nd6 3.Rc6 Nf5 4.Rxe6 Kg5 5.Ke2 Rd8 6.a3 Rh8 7.Rb6 Rh1 8.Rxb5 Ra1 9.Rc5 Rxa3 10.Kd2 Ra2+ 11.Ke1 Ra1+ 12.Ke2 Rc1 13.Kd2 Rb1 14.Rxd5 Rb2+ 15.Ke1 a3 16.Ra5 a2 17.Kd1 Rxf2 18.Ke1 Rf3 19.Rxa2
 38	01:51	 1.974.271k	17.751k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Ke2 Kg6 4.Rxd5 g3 5.Re5 gxf2 6.Kxf2 Rf8 7.Rc5 Nxd4+ 8.Ke1 Nf5 9.Kf2 Rf6 10.Re5 Nd6+ 11.Ke1 Kf7 12.Ke2 Kg6 13.Kd1 a3 14.Ke2 Nf5 15.Rxb5 Nd6 16.Re5 Kf7 17.Kd1 Kg6 18.Kd2 Kf7 19.Kd1
 39	02:27	 2.775.998k	18.827k	 0,00	1.g3 Be6 2.Rh7+ Kg6 3.Re7 Kf6 4.Rc7 Nd6 5.Rh7 Kg6 6.Rh1 Nf5 7.Ke2 a3 8.Rd1 Nxg3+ 9.fxg3 Kf7 10.Kf1 Kf6 11.Kf2 Kg7 12.Ke2 Kf6 13.Kf1 Kg7 14.Kf2 Kf6 15.Kf1
 40	02:53	 3.376.352k	19.516k	 0,00	1.Rxf7 Nd6 2.Rd7 Nf5 3.Rxd5 Kg6 4.g3 Rh8 5.Rxb5 Rh2 6.Rb6+ Kf7 7.Rb7+ Ke6 8.Rb6+ Kd7 9.Rb8 Rxf2+ 10.Kc1 Nxe3 11.Rg8 Rxa2 12.Kb1 Rg2 13.Rg7+ Kd6 14.Kc1 Rxg3 15.Kd2 a3 16.Ra7 a2 17.Ra6+ Kd5 18.Ra5+ Kd6 19.Ra6+
It is not true that Sting SF Black Hole detects a fortress after 1.Rxf7. It is my deep Black Hole idea and it is working in this way. The first moves are changing (see below!). It means no one is correct.
Sting SF Black Hole is a fresh, intelligent and difficult idea and needs a longer work. Be patient and believe me! :)

30 00:09 128.730k 13.048k 0,00 1.Rxf7
31 00:11 154.058k 13.290k 0,00 1.g3
32 00:19 279.433k 14.433k 0,00 1.Rxf7
33 00:25 374.971k 14.961k 0,00 1.Ke2
34 00:36 565.480k 15.389k 0,00 1.Rxf7
35 00:44 690.689k 15.634k 0,00 1.a3
36 01:07 1.110.948k 16.446k 0,00 1.Rxf7
37 01:18 1.310.670k 16.663k 0,00 1.g3
38 01:51 1.974.271k 17.751k 0,00 1.Rxf7
39 02:27 2.775.998k 18.827k 0,00 1.g3
40 02:53 3.376.352k 19.516k 0,00 1.Rxf7
But that's a little bit difficult to interpret then as for output itself.
In Vincent's latest one output line, there are 19 moves forward given with 0.00-eval at the start, at the end of the line a -#13- position is reached, how to know the 0.00 at the start of the line is just showing, the move isn't the best one pondered so far?
I mean, why is it then the only one given in single primary variant output at all?

Here's some output after giving in 1...Rxf7(?):


[fen]1r6/1n3R2/8/1p1p3k/pPpPp1p1/2P1P3/P2K1PP1/8 b - - 0 1[/fen]


Analysis by Sting Black Hole 2 (based on Stockfish 2.1.1) 64bit:

1...Nd6 2.Rf6 Rd8 3.g3 Kg5 4.Re6 Nf5 5.Re5 Rh8 6.Rxd5 Rh2 7.Ke2 Kf6 8.Ke1 Rh1+ 9.Ke2 Rc1 10.Kd2 Ra1
=/+ (-0.64) Depth: 37 00:03:28 5763MN

And again at the end of the output- line that is clearly won for Black.
No offence meant, but how to interpret this one then?
Peter.
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lech
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Re: Sting SF Black Hole 2

Post by lech »

peter wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:08 pm Here's some output after giving in 1...Rxf7(?):


[fen]1r6/1n3R2/8/1p1p3k/pPpPp1p1/2P1P3/P2K1PP1/8 b - - 0 1[/fen]


Analysis by Sting Black Hole 2 (based on Stockfish 2.1.1) 64bit:

1...Nd6 2.Rf6 Rd8 3.g3 Kg5 4.Re6 Nf5 5.Re5 Rh8 6.Rxd5 Rh2 7.Ke2 Kf6 8.Ke1 Rh1+ 9.Ke2 Rc1 10.Kd2 Ra1
=/+ (-0.64) Depth: 37 00:03:28 5763MN

And again at the end of the output- line that is clearly won for Black.
No offence meant, but how to interpret this one then?
Peter, a possible low score is a side effect of my black hole idea. I'm working at this too.
But, the main goal is to get the best move (decision) without any human interference.
Maybe, I can't be friendly, but let me be useful.
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