Toxic threads This Persion is Wrong

[peter]

Opening one of those makes Chrome freeze for time- out regularly since yesterday, regards

[smatovic]

my browser says "...loading PGN data...", the .js script for displaying seems working, hence I guess the PGN data is corrupt.

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Srdja

[peter]

my browser says "...loading PGN data...", the .js script for displaying seems working, hence I guess the PGN data is corrupt.

I can only choose between clicking wait again and again or close the CCC- site (browser doesn't crash, changing http- address works and returning to CCC sites then again too, but opening one of the two threads makes CCC get out of order here from Austrian domain with Chrome and Win 10 each time I try since about 10 hours now).
No problem with not opening one of the two threads, just for telling, regards

[Ajedrecista]

Hello:

Using the 'view source' trick on Chrome (Ctrl+U), I managed to isolate and correct the proposed PGN, plus the proposed plan:

I still do NOT believe that the Black Queen should trade its Queen for the two Knight, instead it should move its Black King to c6! and there is no way of White winning

[pgn][Event "2.hm MatPlus 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.05.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Black "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3600"]
[WhiteElo "3600"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3k4/p1pq3p/1p5R/4P3/P6P/2PN4/1PN3K1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "11"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nd4 (1. Kf3 Qxd3+) 1. .. Qg7+ 2. Kh3 Qxh6 3. Nf4 Kd7 (3. .. Kc8 4. Nde6
c5 5. b3 (5. h5 5. .. c4 6. Kg4 Kb7 7. Kf3 Ka6 8. Ke4 Ka5 9. Kd4 Kxa4 10.
Kxc4 a5) (5. b4 cxb4 6. cxb4 a5 7. bxa5 Kb7 8. h5 Ka6) 5. .. Kb7 6. h5 Ka6
7. b4 (7. Kg4 Ka5 8. Kf3 c4) 7. .. cxb4 8. cxb4 Kb7 9. Kg4 a5 10. b5 Kc8
11. Kf3 Kd7 12. Ke4 Ke7 13. Kd5 Kd7) 4. Nde6 Kc6[/pgn]

The problem was at the last move (Kc6! instead of Kc6). That single exclamation mark ruined all the PGN and the threads.

Once bypassed the issue: is 4.- ..., Kc6 a draw resource for black?

Regards from Spain.

Ajedrecista.

[Vinvin]

Firefox also froze on some threads

[Jouni]

After move 4. Nde6 Crystal has many 0,00 moves:

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK bmi2:

1. = (0.00): 4...c5 5.c4 Ke8 6.Kg4 Ke7 7.Kh3
2. = (0.00): 4...Kc6 5.Kg4 Kb7 6.h5 c6 7.Nd8+ Kc8 8.Nde6
3. = (0.00): 4...Kc8 5.Kg4 a5 6.h5 Kb7 7.Nd8+ Kb8 8.Nde6
4. = (0.00): 4...a5 5.Kg4 Kc8 6.h5 Kb7 7.Nd8+ Kb8 8.Nde6
5. = (0.00): 4...c6 5.Kg4 a6 6.h5 Ke8 7.Nc7+ Kf7 8.Nce6
6. = (0.00): 4...a6 5.Kg4 c6 6.h5 Ke8 7.Nc7+ Kf7 8.Nce6

This is difficult.

[Chessqueen]

After move 4. Nde6 Crystal has many 0,00 moves:

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK bmi2:

1. = (0.00): 4...c5 5.c4 Ke8 6.Kg4 Ke7 7.Kh3
2. = (0.00): 4...Kc6 5.Kg4 Kb7 6.h5 c6 7.Nd8+ Kc8 8.Nde6
3. = (0.00): 4...Kc8 5.Kg4 a5 6.h5 Kb7 7.Nd8+ Kb8 8.Nde6
4. = (0.00): 4...a5 5.Kg4 Kc8 6.h5 Kb7 7.Nd8+ Kb8 8.Nde6
5. = (0.00): 4...c6 5.Kg4 a6 6.h5 Ke8 7.Nc7+ Kf7 8.Nce6

This is difficult.

Many solving engines can avoid losing to White as long as the Black Queen is NOT traded for the two Knights,

FEN: 3k4/2p4p/1p5q/p3P3/P2N1N1P/2P4K/1P6/8 w - - 0 4

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Black "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3600"]
[Time "07:21:06"]
[WhiteElo "23900"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3k4/2pq3p/pp5R/4P3/P6P/2PN4/1PN3K1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "6"]


1. Nd4 Qg7+ {(Qd7-g7+ Kg2-h3 Qg7xh6 Nd3-f4 Kd8-d7 Nd4-e6 Kd7-c6 h4-h5 b6-b5
a4-a5 b5-b4 c3-c4 b4-b3 Kh3-g4 Kc6-b7 Ne6-d8+ Kb7-c8 Nd8-e6) 0.00/26 3} 2.
Kh3 Qxh6 {(Qg7xh6 Nd3-f4 Kd8-d7 Nd4-e6 Kd7-c6 h4-h5 b6-b5 a4-a5 b5-b4 c3-c4
b4-b3 Kh3-g4 Kc6-b7 Ne6-d8+ Kb7-c8 Nd8-e6) 0.00/28 2} 3. Nf4 a5 {(a6-a5
Nd4-e6+ Kd8-c8 Kh3-g4 Kc8-b7 h4-h5 c7-c6 Kg4-f3 b6-b5 b2-b3 Kb7-b6 Kf3-e4
Kb6-a7 c3-c4 b5xc4 b3xc4 Ka7-b7 Ke4-f5 Kb7-b6 Kf5-g4 Kb6-a7 Kg4-f3 Ka7-b6)
0.00/39 13} *[/pgn]

[peter]

Using the 'view source' trick on Chrome (Ctrl+U), I managed to isolate and correct the proposed PGN, plus the proposed plan:

I still do NOT believe that the Black Queen should trade its Queen for the two Knight, instead it should move its Black King to c6! and there is no way of White winning

[pgn][Event "2.hm MatPlus 2009"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.05.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Black "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3600"]
[WhiteElo "3600"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3k4/p1pq3p/1p5R/4P3/P6P/2PN4/1PN3K1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "11"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nd4 (1. Kf3 Qxd3+) 1. .. Qg7+ 2. Kh3 Qxh6 3. Nf4 Kd7 (3. .. Kc8 4. Nde6
c5 5. b3 (5. h5 5. .. c4 6. Kg4 Kb7 7. Kf3 Ka6 8. Ke4 Ka5 9. Kd4 Kxa4 10.
Kxc4 a5) (5. b4 cxb4 6. cxb4 a5 7. bxa5 Kb7 8. h5 Ka6) 5. .. Kb7 6. h5 Ka6
7. b4 (7. Kg4 Ka5 8. Kf3 c4) 7. .. cxb4 8. cxb4 Kb7 9. Kg4 a5 10. b5 Kc8
11. Kf3 Kd7 12. Ke4 Ke7 13. Kd5 Kd7) 4. Nde6 Kc6[/pgn]

The problem was at the last move (Kc6! instead of Kc6). That single exclamation mark ruined all the PGN and the threads.

Once bypassed the issue: is 4.- ..., Kc6 a draw resource for black?

As Mihai wrote in the toxic thread already, there was a cooked version of the study discussed in several fora way back then.
Kornrade gave this link in closed thread about it too:

https://chichitza.ro/Chess.html?lang=de&aux=01

The correct position


[fen]3k4/2pq3p/pp5R/4P3/P6P/2PN4/1PN3K1/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]


has pawn on h6, not on h7, regards

[Paloma]

After move 4. Nde6 Crystal has many 0,00 moves:

Analysis by Crystal 5 KWK bmi2:

1. = (0.00): 4...c5 5.c4 Ke8 6.Kg4 Ke7 7.Kh3
2. = (0.00): 4...Kc6 5.Kg4 Kb7 6.h5 c6 7.Nd8+ Kc8 8.Nde6
3. = (0.00): 4...Kc8 5.Kg4 a5 6.h5 Kb7 7.Nd8+ Kb8 8.Nde6
4. = (0.00): 4...a5 5.Kg4 Kc8 6.h5 Kb7 7.Nd8+ Kb8 8.Nde6
5. = (0.00): 4...c6 5.Kg4 a6 6.h5 Ke8 7.Nc7+ Kf7 8.Nce6

This is difficult.

Many solving engines can avoid losing to White as long as the Black Queen is NOT traded for the two Knights,

FEN: 3k4/2p4p/1p5q/p3P3/P2N1N1P/2P4K/1P6/8 w - - 0 4

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2022.12.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Black "Stockfish-FD-XI-r1"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3600"]
[Time "07:21:06"]
[WhiteElo "23900"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "3k4/2pq3p/pp5R/4P3/P6P/2PN4/1PN3K1/8 w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "6"]


1. Nd4 Qg7+ {(Qd7-g7+ Kg2-h3 Qg7xh6 Nd3-f4 Kd8-d7 Nd4-e6 Kd7-c6 h4-h5 b6-b5
a4-a5 b5-b4 c3-c4 b4-b3 Kh3-g4 Kc6-b7 Ne6-d8+ Kb7-c8 Nd8-e6) 0.00/26 3} 2.
Kh3 Qxh6 {(Qg7xh6 Nd3-f4 Kd8-d7 Nd4-e6 Kd7-c6 h4-h5 b6-b5 a4-a5 b5-b4 c3-c4
b4-b3 Kh3-g4 Kc6-b7 Ne6-d8+ Kb7-c8 Nd8-e6) 0.00/28 2} 3. Nf4 a5 {(a6-a5
Nd4-e6+ Kd8-c8 Kh3-g4 Kc8-b7 h4-h5 c7-c6 Kg4-f3 b6-b5 b2-b3 Kb7-b6 Kf3-e4
Kb6-a7 c3-c4 b5xc4 b3xc4 Ka7-b7 Ke4-f5 Kb7-b6 Kf5-g4 Kb6-a7 Kg4-f3 Ka7-b6)
0.00/39 13} *[/pgn]

Why has you embedded the pgn NOT between pgn /pgn

I saw only pgn (missing /pgn), that might have also an issue !

The same behaves in the Toxic-Thread

I have deleted the [] brackeds in this Example, because the will here show an board in initial position.

[RubiChess]

Opening one of those makes Chrome freeze for time- out regularly since yesterday, regards

This is what people should expect when they open a chessqueen post.