Engine vs engine needs an advantage of at least 0.75 to win

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Engine vs engine needs an advantage of at least 0.75 to win

Post by Chessqueen »

Chess Openings that do NOT have an advantage of at least 0.75 most of the times end up in a draw, take for instance this hippotatumus Chess Opening, if you let Dragon 3.2 or Stockfish play by themselves it will end in a Draw :roll:


[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Date "2023.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish-windows-x86-64-avx2"]
[Black "Dragon-3.2-64bit-avx2"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "3530"]
[ECO "B06"]
[Opening "Modern"]
[Time "09:28:07"]
[Variation "Two Knights Variation"]
[WhiteElo "3540"]
[TimeControl "0+10"]
[Termination "unterminated"]
[PlyCount "29"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. Nf3 a6 5. a4 b6 6. Bc4 e6 7. O-O Ne7 8. Re1
Bb7 9. Bf4 Nd7 10. Qd2 h6 11. Be3 {(Bf4-e3 g6-g5 d4-d5 e6-e5 h2-h3 f7-f5
e4xf5 Ne7xf5 Nf3-h2 O-O Bc4-d3 a6-a5 Nh2-g4 Qd8-e7 Ra1-a3 Kg8-h8 f2-f3
Qe7-f7 Bd3-e4 Bb7-a6 Be4xf5 Qf7xf5 Nc3-e4 Ba6-b7 c2-c4 Qf5-g6 b2-b4 Nd7-f6
Ng4xf6 Bg7xf6 b4xa5 Ra8xa5 Qd2-a2 Bb7-c8 Be3-d2) +0.67/39 79} Nf6 {(Nd7-f6
d4-d5 e6-e5 h2-h3 Nf6-h5 Ra1-d1 g6-g5 Nc3-e2 O-O Ne2-g3 Nh5xg3 f2xg3 f7-f5
e4xf5 Ne7xf5 Be3-f2 Nf5-e7 a4-a5 b6-b5 Bc4-a2 Qd8-d7 c2-c4 Rf8xf3 g2xf3
Qd7xh3 Qd2-d3 g5-g4 f3xg4 Ra8-f8 Ba2-b1 b5xc4 Qd3-h7+ Kg8-f7 Qh7-e4 Ne7xd5)
-0.61/27 25} 12. d5 {(d4-d5 e6-e5 h2-h3 Qd8-d7 Ra1-d1 Nf6-h5 a4-a5 b6-b5
Bc4-e2 Nh5-f6 b2-b4 Nf6-g8 Nc3-b1 Ng8-f6 Qd2-d3 O-O c2-c4 b5xc4 Qd3xc4
c7-c6 d5xc6 Qd7xc6 Nb1-d2 Nf6xe4 Qc4xe4 Qc6xe4 Nd2xe4 Bb7xe4 Rd1xd6 Ne7-f5)
+0.75/28 8} e5 {(e6-e5 h2-h3 g6-g5 Nf3-h2 Nf6-h5 Nc3-e2 O-O Ne2-g3 Nh5xg3
f2xg3 f7-f5 e4xf5 Ne7xf5 Be3-f2 Nf5-e7 a4-a5 b6-b5 Bc4-b3 Qd8-e8 Ra1-d1
Qe8-f7 c2-c3 Ra8-e8 c3-c4 Bb7-c8 c4xb5 a6xb5) -0.71/25 16} 13. h3 {(h2-h3
Nf6-h5 Ra1-d1 Bb7-c8 Bc4-e2 f7-f5 e4xf5 Ne7xf5 g2-g4 Nf5xe3 f2xe3 Nh5-g3
Be2-d3 O-O Qd2-g2 e5-e4 Nc3xe4 Ng3xe4 Bd3xe4 Bg7xb2 Be4xg6 Qd8-f6 Bg6-e4
Bc8-d7 Nf3-d4 Bb2xd4 Rd1xd4 b6-b5 a4-a5 Ra8-e8 Qg2-g3 Re8-e5 Be4-d3 Qf6-e7
Bd3-f5 Kg8-g7 Kg1-h2) +0.74/28 3} Qd7 {(Qd8-d7 Ra1-a3 g6-g5 Nf3-h2 Nf6-h5
Bc4-e2 Nh5-f4 Be2-f3 O-O Nc3-e2 f7-f5 Ne2-g3 f5xe4 Bf3xe4 a6-a5 c2-c4
Bb7-a6 Qd2-c2 Ba6-c8 Be3-d2 Qd7-e8 b2-b4 a5xb4 Bd2xb4 h6-h5 a4-a5 b6xa5
Bb4xa5 Qe8-f7) -0.63/27 44} 14. Ra3 {(Ra1-a3 g6-g5 Nf3-h2 Nf6-h5 Bc4-e2
Nh5-f4 Be2-f3 O-O h3-h4 g5xh4 Bf3-g4 f7-f5 Be3xf4 f5xg4 Bf4xh6 Ne7-g6
Qd2-g5 Bg7xh6 Qg5xg6+ Qd7-g7 Qg6xg4 Qg7xg4 Nh2xg4 Bh6-d2 Re1-d1 Bd2-g5
Ng4-h2 Rf8-f4 Rd1-d3 Ra8-f8 Rd3-f3 Bg5-f6) +0.77/26 6} g5 {(g6-g5 Nf3-h2
Nf6-h5 Bc4-e2 Nh5-f4 Be2-g4 Qd7-d8 a4-a5 b6-b5 Nc3-e2 h6-h5 Bg4-f3 Ne7-g6
Ne2-g3 Bb7-c8 Ng3-f5 Ke8-f8 Ra3-c3 Bc8xf5 e4xf5 Ng6-e7 Bf3-e4 Qd8-d7 h3-h4
g5xh4 Be3xf4 e5xf4 Rc3-h3 Ne7xf5 Nh2-f3 Bg7-e5 Qd2-d3 Nf5-h6 Rh3xh4)
-0.63/27 8} 15. Nh2 {(Nf3-h2 Nf6-h5 Bc4-e2 Nh5-f4 Be2-g4 Qd7-d8 a4-a5 b6-b5
Nc3-a2 O-O Na2-b4 f7-f5 Bg4-f3 Bb7-c8 Qd2-d1 Kg8-h8 Nh2-f1 Qd8-d7 e4xf5
Ne7xf5) +0.80/29 4} *[/pgn]
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Re: Engine vs engine needs an advantage of at least 0.75 to win

Post by Chessqueen »

This is only one game, but chess Openings should NOT have advantage of more than 0.75
[pgn][Event "Next Berserk 11.1 vs Dragon 3.2"]
[White "Dragon-3.2-64bit-avx2"]
[Black "Stockfish-windows-x86-64-avx2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3545"]
[ECO "B06"]
[Opening "Modern"]
[Time "09:28:07"]
[Variation "Two Knights Variation"]
[WhiteElo "3535"]
[TimeControl "0+10"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "252"]


1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. Nc3 d6 4. Nf3 a6 5. a4 b6 6. Bc4 e6 7. O-O Ne7 8. Re1
Bb7 9. Bf4 Nd7 10. Qd2 h6 11. h4 Nf6 12. Rad1 Nh5 13. Bh2 g5 14. hxg5 hxg5
15. Qxg5 Ng6 16. Qxd8+ Rxd8 17. d5 Ke7 18. e5 Nhf4 19. exd6+ cxd6 20. Bxf4
Nxf4 21. Re4 Ng6 22. Nd4 Be5 23. Bb3 Rh5 24. Nde2 Rdh8 25. f4 Bxc3 26. Nxc3
e5 27. fxe5 Nxe5 28. Rde1 Kd8 29. Rf4 Bc8 30. Kf2 Re8 31. Ree4 f5 32. Rh4
Rg5 33. Re2 Rf8 34. Ke1 Rg7 35. Rh6 Kc7 36. Rh4 f4 37. Rh1 Bd7 38. Kd2 b5
39. Kc1 b4 40. Ne4 Ng4 41. a5 Ne3 42. Rf2 Nxg2 43. Rg1 Re7 44. Nxd6 Kxd6
45. Rgxg2 Re1+ 46. Kd2 Re4 47. Rg6+ Kc5 48. c3 bxc3+ 49. bxc3 Ba4 50. Bxa4
Rxa4 51. Kd3 Rxa5 52. Re2 Ra1 53. Ke4 Ra4+ 54. Ke5 Re8+ 55. Re6 f3 56. Rf2
Ra1 57. Ke4 Rxe6+ 58. dxe6 Re1+ 59. Kd3 a5 60. Rxf3 Rxe6 61. Rf5+ Kb6 62.
c4 a4 63. Rb5+ Kc7 64. Ra5 Kb6 65. Rxa4 Re8 66. Rb4+ Kc6 67. Rb5 Rd8+ 68.
Kc2 Rh8 69. Rf5 Rh2+ 70. Kc3 Rh1 71. Ra5 Rd1 72. Kc2 Rf1 73. Rh5 Rf2+ 74.
Kd3 Rg2 75. Kc3 Rg1 76. Rb5 Re1 77. Kd2 Re8 78. Rd5 Rh8 79. Ra5 Rh2+ 80.
Kd3 Rf2 81. Rh5 Rf3+ 82. Kd2 Rf6 83. Rd5 Rf1 84. Rb5 Ra1 85. Rh5 Rg1 86.
Rd5 Ra1 87. Rh5 Rb1 88. Rd5 Rb2+ 89. Kc3 Rh2 90. Re5 Rg2 91. Kb3 Rf2 92.
Rb5 Rf1 93. Rh5 Rd1 94. Kc2 Rg1 95. Ra5 Rg3 96. Rd5 Rg1 97. Rf5 Ra1 98. Kb2
Re1 99. Rb5 Rh1 100. Rd5 Rh2+ 101. Kc3 Rh1 102. Rd3 Rc1+ 103. Kb4 Ra1 104.
Rb3 Rc1 105. Rb2 Rf1 106. Rh2 Rb1+ 107. Ka3 Kc5 108. Rh4 Re1 109. Rh5+ Kxc4
110. Rh4+ Kd5 111. Rh5+ Kd4 112. Rh4+ Kd5 113. Rh5+ Ke6 114. Rh6+ Ke7 115.
Rh7+ Kd6 116. Rh6+ Kc5 117. Rh5+ Kc4 118. Rh7 Re3+ 119. Ka4 Re1 120. Rh4+
Kd5 121. Rh5+ Kd4 122. Rh4+ Kc5 123. Rh5+ Kc4 124. Rh4+ Kd5 125. Rh5+ Kd4
126. Rh4+ Kd5 {3-fold repetition} *[/pgn]