Which Engine below 2125 can win this position with White, this is the position at the end of this game 81. f6 Ke6 ==> 8/3N4/4kP2/7p/4p1pP/1p2P1P1/1K6/3b4 w - - 1 82
[pgn][Event "Novag JADE II Vs Human rated 2120"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2023.10.08"]
[Round "01"]
[White "Novag JADE II "]
[Black "human"]
[Result "*"]
[BlackElo "2120"]
[ECO "A84"]
[Opening "Dutch"]
[Time "03:58:56"]
[Variation "2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6"]
[WhiteElo "2100"]
[TimeControl "300+3"]
[Termination "time forfeit"]
[PlyCount "166"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "human"]
1. c4 f5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Bg5 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 O-O 6. Rc1 d6 7. g3 Bd7 8.
d5 h6 9. Bf4 exd5 10. cxd5 Re8 11. Qd3 Ne4 12. Nd4 c5 13. dxc6 Nxc6 14. Bg2
Ne5 15. Bxe5 Bxc3+ 16. bxc3 Rxe5 17. O-O Rc8 18. Rfd1 Ba4 19. Re1 d5 20. h3
Qd7 21. e3 g6 22. c4 Rxc4 23. Rxc4 dxc4 24. Qxc4+ Kh7 25. Rc1 Rc5 26. Qf1
Rxc1 27. Qxc1 Qf7 28. Qc8 Qd7 29. Qf8 Bd1 30. a3 Qg7 31. Qd8 Ba4 32. Bf3
Qd7 33. Qf8 Ng5 34. Bg2 b6 35. Kh1 Ne4 36. Kg1 Qg7 37. Qd8 Qd7 38. Qb8 Nd2
39. Qf8 Nb3 40. Nf3 Qe6 41. Kh1 a6 42. Kg1 Bb5 43. Qd8 Kg7 44. Qc7+ Kf8 45.
Ne5 Be8 46. Qb8 Nc5 47. Kh1 Kg7 48. Qc7+ Nd7 49. f4 Kf8 50. Qc8 Nc5 51. Qd8
Ne4 52. Kh2 Kg7 53. Qc7+ Kf8 54. Qh7 h5 55. Qh8+ Qg8 56. Qh6+ Qg7 57. Qxg7+
Kxg7 58. Bxe4 fxe4 59. Kg2 b5 60. Kf2 Kf6 61. Ke2 a5 62. Kd2 b4 63. axb4
axb4 64. Kc2 Ba4+ 65. Kb2 g5 66. h4 g4 67. Ka2 Kf5 68. Kb2 Ke6 69. Ka2 Kd6
70. Kb2 Kd5 71. Ka2 Bc2 72. Kb2 Bd1 73. Nd7 Ke6 74. Ne5 Kd6 75. Ka2 Kd5 76.
Kb2 b3 77. Kc3 Bc2 78. Kb2 Bd1 79. Nd7 Kc4 80. f5 Kd5 81. f6 Ke6
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Which Engine below 2125 can win this position with White?
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Re: Which Engine below 2125 can win this position with White?
Monarch rated 2120 can NOT win with White playing against itself without using endgame tablebases
[pgn][Event "Novag JADE II Vs Human rated 2120"] [Site "?"] [Date "2023.10.08"] [Round "01"] [White "Monarch(v1.7"] [Black "Monarch(v1.7)"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [BlackElo "2120"] [ECO "A84"] [Opening "Dutch"] [Time "03:58:56"] [Variation "2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6"] [WhiteElo "221200"] [TimeControl "180+3"] [Termination "adjudication"] [PlyCount "283"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "program"] 1. c4 f5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Bg5 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 O-O 6. Rc1 d6 7. g3 Bd7 8. d5 h6 9. Bf4 exd5 10. cxd5 Re8 11. Qd3 Ne4 12. Nd4 c5 13. dxc6 Nxc6 14. Bg2 Ne5 15. Bxe5 Bxc3+ 16. bxc3 Rxe5 17. O-O Rc8 18. Rfd1 Ba4 19. Re1 d5 20. h3 Qd7 21. e3 g6 22. c4 Rxc4 23. Rxc4 dxc4 24. Qxc4+ Kh7 25. Rc1 Rc5 26. Qf1 Rxc1 27. Qxc1 Qf7 28. Qc8 Qd7 29. Qf8 Bd1 30. a3 Qg7 31. Qd8 Ba4 32. Bf3 Qd7 33. Qf8 Ng5 34. Bg2 b6 35. Kh1 Ne4 36. Kg1 Qg7 37. Qd8 Qd7 38. Qb8 Nd2 39. Qf8 Nb3 40. Nf3 Qe6 41. Kh1 a6 42. Kg1 Bb5 43. Qd8 Kg7 44. Qc7+ Kf8 45. Ne5 Be8 46. Qb8 Nc5 47. Kh1 Kg7 48. Qc7+ Nd7 49. f4 Kf8 50. Qc8 Nc5 51. Qd8 Ne4 52. Kh2 Kg7 53. Qc7+ Kf8 54. Qh7 h5 55. Qh8+ Qg8 56. Qh6+ Qg7 57. Qxg7+ Kxg7 58. Bxe4 fxe4 59. Kg2 b5 60. Kf2 Kf6 61. Ke2 a5 62. Kd2 b4 63. axb4 axb4 64. Kc2 Ba4+ 65. Kb2 g5 66. h4 g4 67. Ka2 Kf5 68. Kb2 Ke6 69. Ka2 Kd6 70. Kb2 Kd5 71. Ka2 Bc2 72. Kb2 Bd1 73. Nd7 Ke6 74. Ne5 Kd6 75. Ka2 Kd5 76. Kb2 b3 77. Kc3 Bc2 78. Kb2 Bd1 79. Nd7 Kc4 80. f5 Kd5 81. f6 Ke6 82. Nc5+ Kxf6 83. Nxe4+ Ke5 84. Nd2 Kd6 85. Ne4+ Ke6 86. Nd2 Kd6 87. Ne4+ Ke5 88. Nd2 Ke6 89. Nc4 Kd5 90. Nd2 Bc2 91. Kc3 Kc5 92. Nf1 Kb5 93. Nd2 Ka4 94. e4 Bd1 95. e5 Kb5 96. Ne4 Bc2 97. Nf6 Kc5 98. Nxh5 Kd5 99. Nf6+ Kxe5 100. Nxg4+ Kd6 101. Ne3 Bh7 102. Kxb3 Ke5 103. Kc3 Ke4 104. Kd2 Kf3 105. g4 Bg8 106. Kd3 Be6 107. g5 Kg3 108. Ke4 Kxh4 109. Kf4 Kh5 110. Nd1 Kg6 111. Nb2 Bf5 112. Nc4 Bc2 113. Ne5+ Kh5 114. Nd7 Kg6 115. Nc5 Bf5 116. Nb7 Bd7 117. Nd6 Ba4 118. Kg4 Bd7+ 119. Kh4 Bc6 120. Nc4 Bd5 121. Ne5+ Kf5 122. Ng4 Bf3 123. Ne3+ Ke4 124. Nc4 Kf5 125. Nb2 Kg6 126. Nd3 Kf5 127. Nc5 Be2 128. Na4 Bf3 129. Nc3 Ke6 130. Nb5 Ke5 131. Nc7 Kd6 132. Ne8+ Ke6 133. Nf6 Kf5 134. Ng8 Ke6 135. Nh6 Ke5 136. Kg3 Bh5 137. Ng8 Kf5 138. Kh4 Bf3 139. Nf6 Ke5 140. Nh5 Bc6 141. Ng3 Bb5 142. Kg4 {User Adjudication} *[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "Novag JADE II Vs Human rated 2120"] [Site "?"] [Date "2023.10.08"] [Round "01"] [White "Monarch(v1.7"] [Black "Monarch(v1.7)"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [BlackElo "2120"] [ECO "A84"] [Opening "Dutch"] [Time "03:58:56"] [Variation "2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6"] [WhiteElo "221200"] [TimeControl "180+3"] [Termination "adjudication"] [PlyCount "283"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "program"] 1. c4 f5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Bg5 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 O-O 6. Rc1 d6 7. g3 Bd7 8. d5 h6 9. Bf4 exd5 10. cxd5 Re8 11. Qd3 Ne4 12. Nd4 c5 13. dxc6 Nxc6 14. Bg2 Ne5 15. Bxe5 Bxc3+ 16. bxc3 Rxe5 17. O-O Rc8 18. Rfd1 Ba4 19. Re1 d5 20. h3 Qd7 21. e3 g6 22. c4 Rxc4 23. Rxc4 dxc4 24. Qxc4+ Kh7 25. Rc1 Rc5 26. Qf1 Rxc1 27. Qxc1 Qf7 28. Qc8 Qd7 29. Qf8 Bd1 30. a3 Qg7 31. Qd8 Ba4 32. Bf3 Qd7 33. Qf8 Ng5 34. Bg2 b6 35. Kh1 Ne4 36. Kg1 Qg7 37. Qd8 Qd7 38. Qb8 Nd2 39. Qf8 Nb3 40. Nf3 Qe6 41. Kh1 a6 42. Kg1 Bb5 43. Qd8 Kg7 44. Qc7+ Kf8 45. Ne5 Be8 46. Qb8 Nc5 47. Kh1 Kg7 48. Qc7+ Nd7 49. f4 Kf8 50. Qc8 Nc5 51. Qd8 Ne4 52. Kh2 Kg7 53. Qc7+ Kf8 54. Qh7 h5 55. Qh8+ Qg8 56. Qh6+ Qg7 57. Qxg7+ Kxg7 58. Bxe4 fxe4 59. Kg2 b5 60. Kf2 Kf6 61. Ke2 a5 62. Kd2 b4 63. axb4 axb4 64. Kc2 Ba4+ 65. Kb2 g5 66. h4 g4 67. Ka2 Kf5 68. Kb2 Ke6 69. Ka2 Kd6 70. Kb2 Kd5 71. Ka2 Bc2 72. Kb2 Bd1 73. Nd7 Ke6 74. Ne5 Kd6 75. Ka2 Kd5 76. Kb2 b3 77. Kc3 Bc2 78. Kb2 Bd1 79. Nd7 Kc4 80. f5 Kd5 81. f6 Ke6 82. Nc5+ Kxf6 83. Nxe4+ Ke5 84. Nd2 Kd6 85. Ne4+ Ke6 86. Nd2 Kd6 87. Ne4+ Ke5 88. Nd2 Ke6 89. Nc4 Kd5 90. Nd2 Bc2 91. Kc3 Kc5 92. Nf1 Kb5 93. Nd2 Ka4 94. e4 Bd1 95. e5 Kb5 96. Ne4 Bc2 97. Nf6 Kc5 98. Nxh5 Kd5 99. Nf6+ Kxe5 100. Nxg4+ Kd6 101. Ne3 Bh7 102. Kxb3 Ke5 103. Kc3 Ke4 104. Kd2 Kf3 105. g4 Bg8 106. Kd3 Be6 107. g5 Kg3 108. Ke4 Kxh4 109. Kf4 Kh5 110. Nd1 Kg6 111. Nb2 Bf5 112. Nc4 Bc2 113. Ne5+ Kh5 114. Nd7 Kg6 115. Nc5 Bf5 116. Nb7 Bd7 117. Nd6 Ba4 118. Kg4 Bd7+ 119. Kh4 Bc6 120. Nc4 Bd5 121. Ne5+ Kf5 122. Ng4 Bf3 123. Ne3+ Ke4 124. Nc4 Kf5 125. Nb2 Kg6 126. Nd3 Kf5 127. Nc5 Be2 128. Na4 Bf3 129. Nc3 Ke6 130. Nb5 Ke5 131. Nc7 Kd6 132. Ne8+ Ke6 133. Nf6 Kf5 134. Ng8 Ke6 135. Nh6 Ke5 136. Kg3 Bh5 137. Ng8 Kf5 138. Kh4 Bf3 139. Nf6 Ke5 140. Nh5 Bc6 141. Ng3 Bb5 142. Kg4 {User Adjudication} *[/pgn]
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Re: Which Engine below 2125 can win this position with White?
Which Engine below 2125 can win this position with White, this is the position at the end of this game 81. f6 Ke6 ==> 8/3N4/4kP2/7p/4p1pP/1p2P1P1/1K6/3b4 w - - 1 82
It took a 2150 Elo engine like BiKJump to beat Stockfish with White, with NO Nalimov Tablebases. Any human player will immediately notice that the Black King main disadvantage is that it can NOT get to d4, f4 or g5 square which will make it easy for White to Win with a Knight Vs Bishop.
[pgn][Event "Novag JADE II Vs Human rated 2120"] [Site "?"] [Date "2023.10.08"] [Round "01"] [White "Bikjump"] [Black "Stockfish-windows-x86-64-avx2"] [Result "1-0"] [BlackElo "3545"] [ECO "A84"] [Opening "Dutch"] [Time "18:53:09"] [Variation "2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6"] [WhiteElo "2150"] [TimeControl "300+1"] [Termination "normal"] [PlyCount "202"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "program"] 1. c4 f5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Bg5 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 O-O 6. Rc1 d6 7. g3 Bd7 8. d5 h6 9. Bf4 exd5 10. cxd5 Re8 11. Qd3 Ne4 12. Nd4 c5 13. dxc6 Nxc6 14. Bg2 Ne5 15. Bxe5 Bxc3+ 16. bxc3 Rxe5 17. O-O Rc8 18. Rfd1 Ba4 19. Re1 d5 20. h3 Qd7 21. e3 g6 22. c4 Rxc4 23. Rxc4 dxc4 24. Qxc4+ Kh7 25. Rc1 Rc5 26. Qf1 Rxc1 27. Qxc1 Qf7 28. Qc8 Qd7 29. Qf8 Bd1 30. a3 Qg7 31. Qd8 Ba4 32. Bf3 Qd7 33. Qf8 Ng5 34. Bg2 b6 35. Kh1 Ne4 36. Kg1 Qg7 37. Qd8 Qd7 38. Qb8 Nd2 39. Qf8 Nb3 40. Nf3 Qe6 41. Kh1 a6 42. Kg1 Bb5 43. Qd8 Kg7 44. Qc7+ Kf8 45. Ne5 Be8 46. Qb8 Nc5 47. Kh1 Kg7 48. Qc7+ Nd7 49. f4 Kf8 50. Qc8 Nc5 51. Qd8 Ne4 52. Kh2 Kg7 53. Qc7+ Kf8 54. Qh7 h5 55. Qh8+ Qg8 56. Qh6+ Qg7 57. Qxg7+ Kxg7 58. Bxe4 fxe4 59. Kg2 b5 60. Kf2 Kf6 61. Ke2 a5 62. Kd2 b4 63. axb4 axb4 64. Kc2 Ba4+ 65. Kb2 g5 66. h4 g4 67. Ka2 Kf5 68. Kb2 Ke6 69. Ka2 Kd6 70. Kb2 Kd5 71. Ka2 Bc2 72. Kb2 Bd1 73. Nd7 Ke6 74. Ne5 Kd6 75. Ka2 Kd5 76. Kb2 b3 77. Kc3 Bc2 78. Kb2 Bd1 79. Nd7 Kc4 80. f5 Kd5 81. f6 Ke6 82. Nc5+ Kxf6 83. Nxb3 Ke5 84. Kc3 Kd5 85. Kb4 Bc2 86. Nd4 Bb1 87. Nf5 Ke5 88. Ng7 Ba2 89. Nxh5 Bb1 90. Nf4 Ba2 91. Ne2 Kd6 92. Nc3 Bf7 93. Nxe4+ Kd5 94. Nf2 Ke5 95. Kc3 Ba2 96. Nxg4+ Ke6 97. h5 Kf5 98. Nf2 Ke5 99. g4 Bd5 100. g5 Bf7 101. Ng4+ Ke6 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]
It took a 2150 Elo engine like BiKJump to beat Stockfish with White, with NO Nalimov Tablebases. Any human player will immediately notice that the Black King main disadvantage is that it can NOT get to d4, f4 or g5 square which will make it easy for White to Win with a Knight Vs Bishop.
[pgn][Event "Novag JADE II Vs Human rated 2120"] [Site "?"] [Date "2023.10.08"] [Round "01"] [White "Bikjump"] [Black "Stockfish-windows-x86-64-avx2"] [Result "1-0"] [BlackElo "3545"] [ECO "A84"] [Opening "Dutch"] [Time "18:53:09"] [Variation "2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Nf6"] [WhiteElo "2150"] [TimeControl "300+1"] [Termination "normal"] [PlyCount "202"] [WhiteType "program"] [BlackType "program"] 1. c4 f5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Bg5 Bb4+ 5. Nc3 O-O 6. Rc1 d6 7. g3 Bd7 8. d5 h6 9. Bf4 exd5 10. cxd5 Re8 11. Qd3 Ne4 12. Nd4 c5 13. dxc6 Nxc6 14. Bg2 Ne5 15. Bxe5 Bxc3+ 16. bxc3 Rxe5 17. O-O Rc8 18. Rfd1 Ba4 19. Re1 d5 20. h3 Qd7 21. e3 g6 22. c4 Rxc4 23. Rxc4 dxc4 24. Qxc4+ Kh7 25. Rc1 Rc5 26. Qf1 Rxc1 27. Qxc1 Qf7 28. Qc8 Qd7 29. Qf8 Bd1 30. a3 Qg7 31. Qd8 Ba4 32. Bf3 Qd7 33. Qf8 Ng5 34. Bg2 b6 35. Kh1 Ne4 36. Kg1 Qg7 37. Qd8 Qd7 38. Qb8 Nd2 39. Qf8 Nb3 40. Nf3 Qe6 41. Kh1 a6 42. Kg1 Bb5 43. Qd8 Kg7 44. Qc7+ Kf8 45. Ne5 Be8 46. Qb8 Nc5 47. Kh1 Kg7 48. Qc7+ Nd7 49. f4 Kf8 50. Qc8 Nc5 51. Qd8 Ne4 52. Kh2 Kg7 53. Qc7+ Kf8 54. Qh7 h5 55. Qh8+ Qg8 56. Qh6+ Qg7 57. Qxg7+ Kxg7 58. Bxe4 fxe4 59. Kg2 b5 60. Kf2 Kf6 61. Ke2 a5 62. Kd2 b4 63. axb4 axb4 64. Kc2 Ba4+ 65. Kb2 g5 66. h4 g4 67. Ka2 Kf5 68. Kb2 Ke6 69. Ka2 Kd6 70. Kb2 Kd5 71. Ka2 Bc2 72. Kb2 Bd1 73. Nd7 Ke6 74. Ne5 Kd6 75. Ka2 Kd5 76. Kb2 b3 77. Kc3 Bc2 78. Kb2 Bd1 79. Nd7 Kc4 80. f5 Kd5 81. f6 Ke6 82. Nc5+ Kxf6 83. Nxb3 Ke5 84. Kc3 Kd5 85. Kb4 Bc2 86. Nd4 Bb1 87. Nf5 Ke5 88. Ng7 Ba2 89. Nxh5 Bb1 90. Nf4 Ba2 91. Ne2 Kd6 92. Nc3 Bf7 93. Nxe4+ Kd5 94. Nf2 Ke5 95. Kc3 Ba2 96. Nxg4+ Ke6 97. h5 Kf5 98. Nf2 Ke5 99. g4 Bd5 100. g5 Bf7 101. Ng4+ Ke6 {Black resigns} *[/pgn]