Which engine makes only alfa-beta search?

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Jouni
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Which engine makes only alfa-beta search?

Post by Jouni »

No pruning or extensions at all. ShashChess has Full depth threads, but it's not same?
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Re: Which engine makes only alfa-beta search?

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Jouni wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:28 pm No pruning or extensions at all. ShashChess has Full depth threads, but it's not same?
Some years ago I modified SF (or rather Cfish) to not do any pruning and extensions. Its nps went sky high and its Elo took a hit of 800 points.
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Re: Which engine makes only alfa-beta search?

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I think it is this Cripplefish branch:
https://github.com/syzygy1/Cfish/tree/cripplefish

However, it seems it still does singular and check extensions. I guess I only took out reductions and pruning. So it seems likely that the Elo loss of going to pure alpha-beta (plus qsearch) would be larger than 800.

I also did not take out aspiration search and null-window search, but those techniques do not involve pruning or extending.
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Re: Which engine makes only alfa-beta search?

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syzygy wrote: Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:53 pm I think it is this Cripplefish branch:
https://github.com/syzygy1/Cfish/tree/cripplefish

However, it seems it still does singular and check extensions. I guess I only took out reductions and pruning. So it seems likely that the Elo loss of going to pure alpha-beta (plus qsearch) would be larger than 800.

I also did not take out aspiration search and null-window search, but those techniques do not involve pruning or extending.
I think the elo reduction is going to be smaller mainly because the evaluation today is better.

I am also not sure if singular extensions help when there are no reductions.
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Re: Which engine makes only alfa-beta search?

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Uri Blass wrote: Mon Dec 04, 2023 3:47 am I am also not sure if singular extensions help when there are no reductions.
They presuimably helped Deep Blue.