It looks like LC0 is closing the gap on Stockfish.

[Leo]

I wonder if LC0 will slowly overtake Stockfish in the TCEC matches. Any opinions?

[Werewolf]

Are you referring to BT4?

[Leo]

No.

[dkappe]

The just finished beat down of lc0 by torch at ccc (+89 over 500 games) makes me pessimistic at its chances. SF has some more concrete improvements coming.

[Werewolf]

The just finished beat down of lc0 by torch at ccc (+89 over 500 games) makes me pessimistic at its chances. SF has some more concrete improvements coming.

I’d like to see BT4 at LTC before deciding

[Jouni]

TCEC FRD final is currently draw. Surprising, when SF won all white league games vs Leela. But FRD is not chess .

[Jouni]

In normal chess Lc0 is quite useless and loses to 2 core Stockfish. From Ipman page.

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  1 Stockfish 20230923 avx2        : 3613   11  11  1050    66.1 %   3497   67.5 %
  2 Stockfish 16 bmi2              : 3608   11  11  1050    65.5 %   3497   68.6 %
  3 Lc0 0.31.0-dev.BT3-2860000     : 3590   11  10  1050    63.0 %   3497   72.2 %
  4 Lc0 0.31.0-dev.BT3-2790000     : 3588   10  10  1050    62.8 %   3497   74.1 %
  5 Lc0 0.31.0-dev.T1-3395000      : 3586   10  10  1050    62.5 %   3497   74.0 %
  6 Dragon 3.3 avx2                : 3581   10  10  1050    61.8 %   3498   74.2 %

I have not updated net after May . Needs 2000$ card to run.

[Werewolf]

In normal chess Lc0 is quite useless and loses to 2 core Stockfish. From Ipman page.

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  1 Stockfish 20230923 avx2        : 3613   11  11  1050    66.1 %   3497   67.5 %
  2 Stockfish 16 bmi2              : 3608   11  11  1050    65.5 %   3497   68.6 %
  3 Lc0 0.31.0-dev.BT3-2860000     : 3590   11  10  1050    63.0 %   3497   72.2 %
  4 Lc0 0.31.0-dev.BT3-2790000     : 3588   10  10  1050    62.8 %   3497   74.1 %
  5 Lc0 0.31.0-dev.T1-3395000      : 3586   10  10  1050    62.5 %   3497   74.0 %
  6 Dragon 3.3 avx2                : 3581   10  10  1050    61.8 %   3498   74.2 %

I have not updated net after May . Needs 2000$ card to run.

For OTB players there are advantages though

[Jouni]

So total FRD score including Final League was +5 for SF!