CCC Bullet Torch vs lc0

[dkappe]

In the would be challenger match where the lc0 crew sent their more nimble T3 net in the hopes it would goose the nps for bullet, there were a number of really pretty games. Game 495 was particularly gorgeous.

[pgn] [Event "CCC21 Bullet: Would-be Challenger Match (1|1)"] [Site "?"] [Date "2023.12.16"] [Round "1"] [White "Torch"] [Black "Lc0"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "B53"] [GameDuration "00:03:09"] [GameEndTime "2023-12-16T18:17:00.270 PST"] [GameStartTime "2023-12-16T18:13:51.270 PST"] [Opening "Sicilian, Chekhover Variation"] [PlyCount "89"] [TimeControl "60+1"] 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Qxd4 a6 5. Be3 Nc6 6. Qd2 g6 7. Nc3 Bg7 8. O-O-O Bg4 9. Nd5 Rc8 10. Nb6 Nf6 11. Bc4 Rb8 12. Ng5 O-O 13. f3 Bc8 14. h4 h6 15. Bb3 Nd7 16. Nxd7 Bxd7 17. Nh3 Kh7 18. f4 Qa5 19. c3 Be6 20. Kb1 Bxb3 21. axb3 Qh5 22. f5 b5 23. Rdf1 b4 24. c4 a5 25. g4 Qxg4 26. Nf4 Ne5 27. Rhg1 Qxh4 28. Rh1 Qg4 29. Rh3 g5 30. Qh2 Rg8 31. Rh1 Bf6 32. Rxh6+ Kg7 33. Rg6+ Kf8 34. Qh6+ Ke8 35. Rxg8+ Kd7 36. Rxb8 Qf3 37. Nd5 Qxe4+ 38. Ka2 Ng6 39. Rb7+ Ke8 40. fxg6 fxg6 41. Nxf6+ Kf7 42. Nxe4 d5 43. Nxg5+ Kf6 44. Qf8+ Ke5 45. Qf4# 1-0[/pgn]

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

This match cannot be taken seriously. Because of the wrong book. Please share the Torch engine and see that there will be a completely different result of the match.

[Saber]

Interesting game. But weird that LCO comi this strategic error and put its queen in a position allowing all these tactics.

[AndrewGrant]

This match cannot be taken seriously. Because of the wrong book.

What exactly does that mean?

[pohl4711]

This match cannot be taken seriously. Because of the wrong book.

What exactly does that mean?

This guy thinks, using UHO Openings is something really bad and we all should enjoy tournaments with 90%+ draws instead...
Ridiculous. Dont waste your time.

[Krzysztof Grzelak]

This guy thinks, using UHO Openings is something really bad and we all should enjoy tournaments with 90%+ draws instead...
Ridiculous. Dont waste your time.

Maybe we'll start differently. What book do you use to test the engines on your website. Is the value of the book within +0.30 or - 0.30 while the engines are playing.

[AndrewGrant]

This match cannot be taken seriously. Because of the wrong book.

What exactly does that mean?

This guy thinks, using UHO Openings is something really bad and we all should enjoy tournaments with 90%+ draws instead...
Ridiculous. Dont waste your time.

Well if we start using drawn books, it can make Torch look quite good compared to Stockfish. So maybe I should....

Although, Torch did take a game off of Lc0 as black, despite every opening being "unreasonable" ( as some would say) white favoured

[Graham Banks]

This match cannot be taken seriously. Because of the wrong book.

What exactly does that mean?

This guy thinks, using UHO Openings is something really bad and we all should enjoy tournaments with 90%+ draws instead...
Ridiculous. Dont waste your time.

It all depends on whether you want to see opening lines that heavily favour one side from the start, or whether you want a fair opening line.

For example, I prefer proper chess opening lines that super GMs might play, which in most cases means balanced.

My take is that an engine should be able to outplay another from balanced lines, just as Stockfish, Dragon by Komodo and Torch seem able to do better than others at the top level.

Most draws are interesting.

[CornfedForever]

This match cannot be taken seriously. Because of the wrong book.

What exactly does that mean?

This guy thinks, using UHO Openings is something really bad and we all should enjoy tournaments with 90%+ draws instead...
Ridiculous. Dont waste your time.

90% drawn does not seem a problem. For human tournaments, sure. But these are tireless little pieces of software you can put thru their paces whiles you sleep. No one (with a life) sits and watches them as they are being played.

[Graham Banks]

This match cannot be taken seriously. Because of the wrong book.

What exactly does that mean?

This guy thinks, using UHO Openings is something really bad and we all should enjoy tournaments with 90%+ draws instead...
Ridiculous. Dont waste your time.

90% drawn does not seem a problem. For human tournaments, sure. But these are tireless little pieces of software you can put thru their paces whiles you sleep. No one (with a life) sits and watches them as they are being played.

I occasionally watch engine v engine games.

TCEC and CCC have hundreds of spectators too.